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This changes the story 180% degrees.
If I was an employer and 2 of my workers showed up just 10 days out of 45 I won't be paying them too. I think he should have just canceled their contracts a lot sooner and cut his looses with those two losers who haven't performed even decently in 7-8 months.
I mean who cares if FD won the first GSL when it was the easiest to win, since then he has sucked. Trickster is no better and I feel like they both were abusing the coach and the team TSL by not training and showing up and basically just getting money for nothing. They haven't won a single set in months.
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Honestly this would all be resolved by an impartial arbitrator. Like Judge Judy.
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Coach Lee is too nice for his own good...
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On August 05 2011 01:30 thehitman wrote:
This changes the story 180% degrees.
If I was an employer and 2 of my workers showed up just 10 days out of 45 I won't be paying them too. I think he should have just canceled their contracts a lot sooner and cut his looses with those two losers who haven't performed even decently in 7-8 months.
I mean who cares if FD won the first GSL when it was the easiest to win, since then he has sucked. Trickster is no better and I feel like they both were abusing the coach and the team TSL by not training and showing up and basically just getting money for nothing. They haven't won a single set in months.
i agree with you on most parts but i think you should really check the facts.
FD has been sucking yeah but Tester has actually been doing well, Ro4 in last GSL.
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This is why there should be contracts.... If you hire someone for an hourly job where they're expected to be there 40 hours/week, then of course if they don't come in you don't pay them. If you hire a band to perform weekly at your bar, though, then you don't have an actual requirement about their practice. They just have to show up to play, and if they're bad you can fire them, but you have to pay them as agreed ahead of time up until they are fired (assuming they show up for the actual playing).
So which is it? Both are perfectly reasonable analogies. When you have contracts, you have clear expectations. As it is, it's both sides trying to hold each other accountable to the "understood" arrangement, but both sides had different ideas of what the arrangement was. The coach/management is at fault, but less because of the decision now and more because of the decision not to have formal contracts with their employees.
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If an employee doesn't show up to work, you fire them.
Withholding their pay only results in them having a legitimate legal grievance against you.
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On August 05 2011 01:35 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 01:34 bonifaceviii wrote:
If an employee doesn't show up to work, you fire them.
Withholding their pay only results in them having a legitimate legal grievance against you. Not if there's no contract. Verbal agreements dont really mean anything.
I'm kind of, pretty sure that normally agreements/contracts have a big part that says something to the effect of:
hey you have to work (practice) to get paid
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Yes, let's start another lynch mob using hearsay and "leaked" screenshots. Obviously TL is the best place to bestow judgements and hand out punishments, as oppose to the SC2 Conference.
Shit happened. Money was tight. TSL is dead. None of us know enough to paint the good or bad guys here. The world doesn't work that way, anyways.
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On August 05 2011 01:35 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 01:34 bonifaceviii wrote:
If an employee doesn't show up to work, you fire them.
Withholding their pay only results in them having a legitimate legal grievance against you. Not if there's no contract. Verbal agreements dont really mean anything.
I don't know about Korean law but in Sweden an verbal agreement is as valid as a written, there is one exception in real-estates. However it is much more harder to prove the existence of an verbal agreement.
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On August 05 2011 01:33 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 01:31 Condor Hero wrote:On August 05 2011 01:30 thehitman wrote:
This changes the story 180% degrees.
If I was an employer and 2 of my workers showed up just 10 days out of 45 I won't be paying them too. I think he should have just canceled their contracts a lot sooner and cut his looses with those two losers who haven't performed even decently in 7-8 months.
I mean who cares if FD won the first GSL when it was the easiest to win, since then he has sucked. Trickster is no better and I feel like they both were abusing the coach and the team TSL by not training and showing up and basically just getting money for nothing. They haven't won a single set in months. i agree with you on most parts but i think you should really check the facts. FD has been sucking yeah but Tester has actually been doing well, Ro4 in last GSL. Don't tell others to fact check when you get it wrong yourself :x ro8.
my mistake, Ro8.
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Looks fake to me. Why would he name his skype "TSL Coach Lee"
Fake until proven otherwise.
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On August 05 2011 01:40 Marcus420 wrote:
Looks fake to me. Why would he name his skype "TSL Coach Lee"
Fake until proven otherwise.
Him and Killer both talk to people on Skype. He mentioned it during the interview at the Code A qualifiers and asked people to add them if they wanted to chat.
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On August 05 2011 01:39 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 01:38 JacobDaKung wrote:On August 05 2011 01:35 zeru wrote:On August 05 2011 01:34 bonifaceviii wrote:
If an employee doesn't show up to work, you fire them.
Withholding their pay only results in them having a legitimate legal grievance against you. Not if there's no contract. Verbal agreements dont really mean anything. I don't know about Korean law but in Sweden an verbal agreement is as valid as a written, there is one exception in real-estates. However it is much more harder to prove the existence of an verbal agreement. Yes, that's a verbal contract which is recorded. Not an unrecorded verbal agreement.
There is no distinction between a verbal contract and a verbal agreement in Sweden.
*edit grammar
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On August 05 2011 01:40 Marcus420 wrote:
Looks fake to me. Why would he name his skype "TSL Coach Lee"
Fake until proven otherwise.
I'd like some validation too.
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This doesn't seem like evidence and is one sided...if coach lee approved this thread then he's officially the biggest drama queen in korea. I don't frankly trust a word coming out of coach lee's mouth at this point....look at how he handled the puma situation...all his posts were extremely one sided and just sought towards defamation of Puma.
Fruit and them don't show up more then 10 days? well were they being paid? Did they not show up due to lack of getting paid? This is not a whole story, this is a giant rumor mill.
I agree with people that without validation in some way shape or form instead of I got this from my buddies buddies grandma, this thread should be locked. He can start a new one when he has a way to prove this convo.
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On August 05 2011 01:40 Marcus420 wrote:
Looks fake to me. Why would he name his skype "TSL Coach Lee"
Fake until proven otherwise.
While I don't have him on skype, both he and killer have publicised their skype usernames via twitter if anyone wants to chat with them about anything.
TSL_korea TSL
@Killershin he's make skype aocunt. ryanshield@naver.com add gogo.^^
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TSL_korea TSL
TSL_korea Skype: oopslee82@gmail.com add gogo^^
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I'm inclined to believe Tester and FD didn't show up a lot, you can read their old playxp interviews and often see them talking about not having practiced a lot.
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I don't think we can be so judgemental, this way or that. We don't know the facts. We are seeing conversations, we are seeing what this person says about the events and what other people say about the events... We don't know what is fact and what isn't...
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