EPTFacts of TSL Coach Lee vs FruitDealer/Trickster - Page 3
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sekritzzz
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
TSL had a contract with FD and Trickster. They both lost interest in the team and stopped practicing/participating. Coach Lee got angry and they eventually left the team. Due to their lack of participation Coach Lee decided that in his opinion he had no obligation to pay them for the last month prior to them leaving. The players complained to the player association and while it was acknowledged that the behaviour of Trickster and FD was questionable, they asked TSL to uphold their contractual agreements. Coach Lee disagrees and leaves the association. So it's a classic... morally right vs legally right. Pick your side. | ||
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
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cronican
Canada424 Posts
On August 05 2011 01:30 thehitman wrote: This changes the story 180% degrees. If I was an employer and 2 of my workers showed up just 10 days out of 45 I won't be paying them too. I think he should have just canceled their contracts a lot sooner and cut his looses with those two losers who haven't performed even decently in 7-8 months. I mean who cares if FD won the first GSL when it was the easiest to win, since then he has sucked. Trickster is no better and I feel like they both were abusing the coach and the team TSL by not training and showing up and basically just getting money for nothing. They haven't won a single set in months. There's a bunch of things we don't know about this. Is there a contract and what does it say? Did coach lee warn them if they did not start coming to practice they would no longer be paid OR did they show up for their money and were then informed that they would not be paid? Was it stipulated anywhere how many hours they need to practice? The fact that other people gave money back to help the team and others practice more than them is irrelevant. A deal was struck between the two parites and it must be examined what the actual terms of the agreement were and what obligations need to be fulfilled. The players association, which holds no real power when you think about it, has no legal right to dictate who is owed what. This is a matter for small claims court. Like Judge Judy. | ||
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
On August 05 2011 01:44 Zeddicus wrote: I don't think we can be so judgemental, this way or that. We don't know the facts. We are seeing conversations, we are seeing what this person says about the events and what other people say about the events... We don't know what is fact and what isn't... This. Every time some new information comes to light regarding, EG-Puma-TSL, FD-Trickster-TSL, SC2CON-TSL, the opinion of the community shifts drastically. Do we know all the facts? Absolutely not. Hold judgment before you say anything you either regret, or are going to completely change your mind about tomorrow. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
TL is neither the Judge nor the Jury. There is a reason why SC2 Conference is the body of arbitration. We are in no place to assign blame for TSL's fall, especially when the only information that came out of Korea is a questionable screenshot and a few poorly translated lines. What we know is, Coach Lee is a good man, a true man of Esports. The breakdown of his team is a true tragedy that I doubt anyone will like to be repeated in our shared history. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On August 05 2011 01:49 QTIP. wrote: This. Every time some new information comes to light regarding, EG-Puma-TSL, FD-Trickster-TSL, SC2CON-TSL, the opinion of the community shifts drastically. Do we know all the facts? Absolutely not. Hold judgment before you say anything you either regret, or are going to completely change your mind about tomorrow. too much bandwagoning right now, I agree. People just jump to conclusions too quickly based on so little information. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On August 05 2011 01:23 Beyonder wrote: But then the question is, why did they not visit the teamhouse? This is something that we will also hear soon I'm sure. Dont base your opinion on one part of the story too swiftly. And whoever this is sure has a lot of nerdy games hahaha I hear that Cool likes to drink :D | ||
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
A screenshot of some turkish guy talking to an account named TSL Coach Lee on Skype with broken English is not "facts". :lol Even if that were Coach Lee, and even if he publicly said that - it still wouldn't be "facts", just his side of the story. | ||
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drgoats
United States310 Posts
The one stipulation is that there was a required amount of time that the players were expected to be at the practice house and the players did not follow those guidelines. As I see it, it is pretty straight forward that the players are owed the money. | ||
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QuixoticO
Netherlands810 Posts
Can't we just wait for official statements from both sides before we turn this into tabloid journalism :/ | ||
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tl55555
31 Posts
On August 05 2011 01:56 drgoats wrote: Regardless of how much they have been at the practice house, if it was agreed that they will be paid a certain amount of money, then that is the end of the issue. Lee should have released the players when he saw the issues arising. The one stipulation is that there was a required amount of time that the players were expected to be at the practice house and the players did not follow those guidelines. As I see it, it is pretty straight forward that the players are owed the money. Not really, if you don't show up for work you don't get paid. | ||
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JustPassingBy
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integrity
United States1014 Posts
and is it me or is TL becoming a very bad gossip community of E-Sports. it really starting to turn me off of reading news headline here because it always one side/bias bull-crap. lets try getting the full story before posting for Christ sake | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
Personally, if Coach Lee did release this, he a. has a really shtty life and everything is goign wrong for him or b. is very outspoken about his grievances (read: complains/wants drama), But again I can't offer a real judgement until real facts come out. | ||
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Marcus420
Canada1923 Posts
On August 05 2011 01:56 drgoats wrote: Regardless of how much they have been at the practice house, if it was agreed that they will be paid a certain amount of money, then that is the end of the issue. Lee should have released the players when he saw the issues arising. The one stipulation is that there was a required amount of time that the players were expected to be at the practice house and the players did not follow those guidelines. As I see it, it is pretty straight forward that the players are owed the money. But usually, if there is a contract,players agree to conditions so that they get paid. such as minimum of 6 hours practice a day 5 days a week or else you dont get paid. etc etc thats how i see it at least. | ||
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asdfTT123
United States989 Posts
Then look at tester/fruitdealer - promising players from late beta now completely overshadowed. They say they want a practice environment that's less stringent so they leave oGs for TSL. They can't get their shit together in tournaments and they keep losing (esp FD). Obv with all this fingerpointing in both directions, both parties need to man up and come to a conclusion - or at least they should have acted mature enough and honor deal on both ends (on wait...there was no contract?!). tester/FD/coach lee - I hope all three get out of the sc2 scene and stop wasting everyone's time with this legal drama. Nobody is even interesting in tester/FD anymore and coach lee is a cry baby with no management skills. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
first raging at puma and eg, when everything could have been solved by talking to the player and say hey i would like to talk to eg first, before you leave. now raging at his own players, when everything could have been solved by talking to both of the players and saying hey if u dont want to practice like we do, i will fire you. | ||
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tl55555
31 Posts
On August 05 2011 01:58 integrity wrote: i think everyone needs to wait to hear both sides before everyone arms their pitchforks. and is it me or is TL becoming a very bad gossip community of E-Sports. it really starting to turn me off of reading news headline here because it always one side/bias bull-crap. lets try getting the full story before posting for Christ sake If you don't like the title of a thread you don't have to click it, no one is forcing you to read it. | ||
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