EPT[G] 5-s' 30 second guide to every hero - Page 2
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Reivax
Sweden214 Posts
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Deleted User 45971
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I'm pretty sure that BF does not work with Omnislash. It only works with auto attacks. Although if you have high AS you do autoattack more during the ult duration but it does not cleave on the actual Omnislash attacks. | ||
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Reap_
Brunei Darussalam760 Posts
OT: really good guide +1 | ||
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Musou
1375 Posts
On December 27 2011 19:38 Potatisodlaren wrote: I'm pretty sure that BF does not work with Omnislash. It only works with auto attacks. Although if you have high AS you do autoattack more during the ult duration but it does not cleave on the actual Omnislash attacks. Correct, the slashes from omnislash cannot splash, but the bonus attacks in-between can. Bonus attacks also trigger buff placers/orbs/procs. | ||
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5-s
United States1674 Posts
On December 27 2011 15:59 TheYango wrote: Needs more Janggo. Needs less Lothar's. Needs more Manta Style (great reliable DPS for any Agi carry). Needs more Force Staff. Your listing of Urn is very inconsistent. Mention it for KotL, but not for Pudge, NS, VS, or CM? Medallion is required for Lycan. Honestly, playing HoN and not having Medallion was the most rage-inducing experience ever. EDIT: Should also have 5-s's 5s guide to every hero.  Any Strength hero: Janggo BKB Any Agi hero: Vanguard Manta Any Int hero: Mekan Force Staff CAN'T GO WRONG Janggo is indeed awesome, but I really couldn't think of a hero where I'd consider it core on. It's just good on everything, but required on nothing. Maybe you could give me an exception? There are certain things that I didn't put here but hopefully is common knowledge, like magic stick is always good, and bottle is good on solo mid. Any suggestions on which heroes don't deserve invisibility blade as core? (Lothars) Also, I think you're right for urn on ns, probably pudge. I disagree on vs and cm; those heroes don't always make it that far in their builds every game, and alternatively if they do well you might want them to build other support stuff instead like janggo or medallion, depending on the game. On December 27 2011 16:59 TheWarbler wrote: Well what is the point to continue my quick guides  Plenty, this is intended to be the bare minimum of guides. On December 27 2011 16:27 Kaafu wrote:I'm pretty sure that BF does not work with Omnislash. It only works with auto attacks. Although if you have high AS you do autoattack more during the ult duration but it does not cleave on the actual Omnislash attacks. You're right, it only works on the extra hits between slashes. Regarding radiance + soul ring build, I think it definitely can work, but I'd like to point out that the battlefury is already built is less gold than a soul ring + the cost of just the relic. Also, the soul ring is something you're going to end up selling late game for juggernaut; not a big deal, but I think if you farm a quick perseverance it actually goes into one of your dps items and is therefore a smoother buildup. The reason battlefury is good on certain melee heroes is not because it's the best right click item or lategame item, but it is the only item that gives hp and mana regen, ability to push, and the ability to clear out neutral creeps quickly all-in-one. You have to really take advantage of all the regen the perseverance gives during the buildup for battlefury to be worth it; it's probably not needed if all you're doing is free farming a lane while your team fights for you. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Str Heroes] + Beastmaster - Vanguard is at this point more common than any of the other items you suggested. Suggesting both Gem AND Necronomicon is redundant--you don't need two sources of True Sight. I'd say Vanguard->Medallion, Pipe, or Vlads Panda - Janggo takes priority over Scepter or Blink DK - Vanguard/Pipe/Cuirass is more stable than Armlet builds IMO (it's also what Burning does every game). BKB is kind of awkward because you're a tanky shithead that's impossible to kill--you actually don't mind people wasting their spells on you, once you have Hood. CK - Janggo first item. Illusions specifically do benefit from Endurance Aura-based effects (though they normally do not benefit from other auras)--meaning your damage potential with Janggo first is ridiculous. Doom - Should list Radiance after Vanguard Lycan - Medallion after Vlad's. It's too good for him, especially given how much easier it makes Rosh solos. + Show Spoiler [Agi Heroes] + In general, I hate Lothar's. The sooner new players can be weaned off using Lothar's, the better. I don't consider it core on anyone. Morphling - Ethereal Blade and Butterfly both deserve mentioning (Ethereal+Adaptive is hella funny when you can two-shot anyone who doesn't have BKB). Bounty Hunter - Janggo > BFury at this point Razor - Not even a mention of Manta? + Show Spoiler [Int Heroes] + Lina - Should mention Force Staff. I'd probably get it before Eul's. WR - Should mention Force Staff, after Mekan Lion - Force Staff after Blink Necrolyte - Vanguard/Mekan/Pipe--should get 2/3 before Sheepstick usually Pugna - Dagon... -_- Aghanim's is actually quite fun on Pugna, because 0 CD Life Drain both makes you hard to kill, and bumps up your damage output by a lot. OD - Should be getting Mekansm. Mekan->Force Staff->Sheepstick->whatever the fuck cuz you 3-shot people at this point Batrider - 90% of the time, you need BKB after Blink. Invoker - Usually Janggo after Phases AA - Mekansm first, then Force Staff usually | ||
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RQShatter
United States459 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
BKB core on nerub weaver after radiance is questionable, I almost never get BKB on weaver, I just rush for heart, or I have a hood/vanguard. | ||
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tube
United States1475 Posts
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tube
United States1475 Posts
On December 28 2011 00:47 5-s wrote: Janggo is indeed awesome, but I really couldn't think of a hero where I'd consider it core on. ck i would change enigma to soul ring midas i would also change alchemist to soul ring midas i would also change techies to soul ring midas | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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scorch-
United States816 Posts
On December 28 2011 02:11 tube wrote: i would change enigma to soul ring midas Midas on enigma... really? Are you playing on a team with no heroes capable of clearing the jungle at level 12? | ||
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tube
United States1475 Posts
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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NEXUS6
United States413 Posts
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zz_
Sweden1022 Posts
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5-s
United States1674 Posts
On December 28 2011 03:23 Zlasher wrote: I've never seen Midas on Enigma save for one game with Minigun where the other team did nothing to our jungle all game. I'd just rather see soul ring blink dagger and teamfighting with the black hole. I do it sometimes too when I'm playing ricing enigma. Midas is just kinda good on everything these days, but it's not really core IMO except on furion, who really benefits from the extra exp and hitting lvl 11 quickly. | ||
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Comprissent
United States314 Posts
curse my laptop.I don't see what all the hate is about lothar's, i guess maybe it's not as viable in pro games but in pubs it can really screw over teams fast (watching SF go invis -> BKB + ult in the middle of a teamfight is sad) | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 28 2011 04:34 Comprissent wrote: I don't see what all the hate is about lothar's, i guess maybe it's not as viable in pro games but in pubs it can really screw over teams fast (watching SF go invis -> BKB + ult in the middle of a teamfight is sad) Even if you're currently playing at the level where Lothar's is good, you'll eventually improve at the game and move up to the level where it's not--and at that point I think it's better to not have gotten in the habit of having it. It's not like a stable HotD/Yasha build is bad in pubs. | ||
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Boardin
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