[G] 5-s' 30 second guide to every hero - Page 8

On February 09 2012 13:52 randombum wrote:
Almost every starting item for every hero is a combination of brances/ ring of protection / circlet / +3 int/agil/str / clarity / tango / salve. If your playing a support get wards/chick/crow instead of the more expensive 150g + items.

A little planning and understanding of your hero/role tells you what to start. For example if your going to get a basi ring, you can start with the ring of protection, if your going to get an urn gauntlets might be a good start item. Otherwise nothing beats the efficienty of brances, so they are great.

On December 27 2011 14:53 5-s wrote:

Bfury is there for one simple reason: perseverance is a great starting item for bh. His whole goal is to be constantly farming / tracking people when there are fights; he's essentially a ganking caster that turns into a dpser when you farm enough. There're certainly other ways to play him, but he needs the regen from one item or another. Getting some of the vlads components definitely also works.

On February 10 2012 04:50 5-s wrote:


Basically correct, let me sum it up though:
Healing pack: Salve + Tangos + Clarity = 240


Support ganker: Courier or Wards (170 / 200), Smoke of Deceit (100), Healing Pack (240), Branch (53)
Support non-ganker: Courier or Wards (170/200), Healing Pack (240), 2 branches + clarity or 3 branches (156 or 159)

Farming ranged carry: 2x +3 of your main attribute (300), Healing Pack (240), 1 branch (Can substitute extra branch for clarity if your hero does not need mana)
Bottle rush solo mid: 3x branches (159), 1 salve and/or tango (90 or 100)
Ranged solo side lane: ring of protection (175), healing pack (240), 2x branches (106) -> rush ring of basilius on side shop.

Melee carry defensive: Stout shield (250), 3x branch (159), Tango + Salve (190)
Melee carry offensive: Same as above, substitute stout shield with quelling blade (225)
Note: some melee heroes (particularly strength) should get similar items to the ranged carries, such as kunkka (2x gauntlet, 2x branch, tango + salve)

Invoker solo mid: blades of attack, salve, branch
Invoker solo long lane: boots of speed, salve
Bloodseeker solo mid: quelling blade (225), stout shield (250), salve (100)

Jungling heroes: get a bunch of regen, mass clarities if needed (enigma / furion: at least 4-5 clarities)
Darkseer Jungle: stout shield (250), Healing Pack (240), 1 Extra salve (100)
Roaming Earth Shaker: Courier / Wards (170 or 200), Tangos (90), Smoke of Deceit (100), 4x Clarities (200)

Let me know if there are any other weird heroes that you're not sure on for starting items. After playing for a while you get an idea of what you need, but the basics almost always include stats items and at least one salve and one tango.

On December 31 2011 22:44 Dead9 wrote:

the problem is ur assumption right here yo
there's very few heroes where hotd first is standard, and where it is standard it usually makes sense
drow and luna do a good amount of damage early on in the game, so hotd gives a reasonable amount of survivability and lets them jungle really fast
hotd first on dk isn't really standard, usually armlet and bkb are better (or pipe and jango if ur chinese)

it's the same idea in hon with mq, puppet, and mali

edit:

this is supposed to be a joke right
cus if it is it's not very funny
edit2: okay I'll bite
the builds are mostly pretty standard across all 3 regions (US/EU/asia). generally US/EU players use the same builds, while asia might change up a couple
the gondar build in question was standardized by chinese comp teams, though it isn't exactly an innovative build

pa is a useless hero with zero useful skills that can make a passable lategame carry if you can hold out 4v5. to put that into perspective, spectre, troll, am, and void are heroes that are more useful than pa in literally every single stage of the game (including lategame). gondar has track, jinada, permainvis, and a hefty nuke that ministuns
in terms of role, gondar is probably most comparable to slardar; he spends early-mid game farming up, midgame killing things, and lategame still killing things

but read what I have bolded there and get back to me
"read" because I can't imagine you actually read that before you posted it

On February 11 2012 00:08 ThaGoodsVol1 wrote:
He is actually right Eu and Na playstyle is much different. So much so that Navii and ehome are getting smashed in friendlies by us NA players. It isn't that we're "better" it's just most of us came from play competitve in Hon, which is 1000x faster than dota. So they have no answers for our ganks and pushes or our builds. For instance sniper in dota gets loathers, however in hon, he does not he plays incredibly passive (until farmed) and stadard items are s+y and deso or Attack speed Maelstrom + MKB (charged hammer and savage mace I think?). Another huge difference is beastmaster gets the hon equivalent to Elders (mask of madness) , assualt curaiss but in Hon we go necromicon + blink ( mainly to block with the minions, true sight, and blink). EU players dominated dota for so long but now that NA players have become well versed in the art of dota our differences are creating quite the matchup.

On February 11 2012 00:02 ThaGoodsVol1 wrote:




This guy is not to be listened to ever... blades of attack as invoker mid lmao


If you guys want to learn how to play dota watch the pro's and if you can play with/against them. Pub builds are not effective against good players.

On February 11 2012 01:47 5-s wrote:

I appreciate your insightful comment, but blades of attack mid is a build I've seen both dendi and bulba do. Are they doing it wrong or what? Phase boot rush on invoker is exceedingly common, and he does not need the stats or as much regen as other heroes since everyone starts with coldsnap.

On February 11 2012 01:09 TheYango wrote:

Where are you getting these build ideas? No proper Sniper gets Lothar's, and MoM->Cuirass is in no way a proper Beastmaster build.

As an aside, my new favorite way to play Beastmaster is a build I saw Xiao8 do in a Chinese competitive game.

Max Axes, then Inner Beast, only skilling Call of the Wild when those two are maxed. Push the shit out of mid lane, have rune control when the creep wave is always pushing the enemy tower. Gank when you have your ultimate, and take towers afterwards. If your opponent tries to leave the lane to gank, shove down his tower in like 10 seconds because the +40% attack speed aura is amazing for your tower pushing speed.

Items: Bottle->Arcanes->Mekansm (yes, that's right, Mek on Beastmaster)->Pipe/Vlad's/AC/other situational aura stuff.

On February 11 2012 00:52 cilinder007 wrote:
and sniper going lothars ? yea maybe in low lvl mmr pubs but please show me a competitive game where sniper went lothars or a bm going mom pls.....

On February 11 2012 05:52 ThaGoodsVol1 wrote:



That build isn't new.... lmao

Youi're about 2 years late this is actually Tundra is played/built FYI (I believe I made this point earlier... hmmm weird)

Also any Beast who does not level his 2nd ability first is seriously not doing it right period. The effectiveness of the sight/ pet harrass is always going to be > than an extra 80 damage or so on your axes or the 40 attackspeed passive.

On March 03 2012 12:39 Durak wrote:
Was just watching coL vs Mouz in the Dota2Brawl and I'm wondering about Tiny's skill build. The lanes were:

Top - Mirana, Sand King vs Doom Bringer, Crystal Maiden, Venomancer
Mid - Tiny vs Shadow Shaman
Bot - Queen of Pain vs Windrunner
Jungle (Top) - Chen

Because of the way the early game played out, Tiny didn't get any early help from Chen or Sand King. He had to use avalanche to last hit creeps right before and after he got his bottle (level 2/3 ish).

My question is why SingSing skilled avalanche, toss, toss, avalanche, toss, grow, toss. I haven't done any math but it looks like a focus on toss damage and I'm wondering how it compares to the skill build in the OP.

Edit: Oh, and VOD is here if anyone cares.