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Canola
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada159 Posts
March 03 2012 18:39 GMT
#161
Thanks 5-s for these guides - very helpful. Used these a little while back when I started doing SD more and trying new heroes. Great reference!
Cloud_
Profile Joined February 2012
United States1 Post
March 09 2012 05:17 GMT
#162
5-s is a no life loser

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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
March 09 2012 07:57 GMT
#163
5-s actually has many lives and is a winner
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igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
March 09 2012 08:08 GMT
#164
I'm used to Warlock builds centered around shadow word (of course 5-s had a shadow word build)

But in The Defense finals game 1, Navi skipped shadow word completely and went fatal 2 max upheaval. Warlock was laning with the AM. Obviously it's a better team fight build, but not so great for laning.

The casters mentioned that skipping shadow word is a popular among modern warlock builds. Can someone discuss this?
LayZRR
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany449 Posts
March 09 2012 09:19 GMT
#165
thanks. helped me alot. now i know which items are good and what to get myself. bu it was good for a start.
5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
March 10 2012 00:15 GMT
#166
On March 09 2012 17:08 igotmyown wrote:
I'm used to Warlock builds centered around shadow word (of course 5-s had a shadow word build)

But in The Defense finals game 1, Navi skipped shadow word completely and went fatal 2 max upheaval. Warlock was laning with the AM. Obviously it's a better team fight build, but not so great for laning.

The casters mentioned that skipping shadow word is a popular among modern warlock builds. Can someone discuss this?

Note the recent Itsgosu match where warlock got banned as well. I suggested fatal / upheavel focused build a while back to some of the players, seems like other teams are starting to figure it out as well. Warlock's fatal bonds was considered IMBA at 20% / 5 targets, now it's 20% / 6 targets when maxed (and 20% all levels is really good). I think his main weakness comes from the extremely high cd of his ult : 165. This means it's not up every teamfight, I tend to notice I need another minute whenever there's consecutive teamfights. If he's not built around his ult, however, the other skills are amazing in big clashes.
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 10 2012 03:56 GMT
#167
On March 09 2012 17:08 igotmyown wrote:
I'm used to Warlock builds centered around shadow word (of course 5-s had a shadow word build)

But in The Defense finals game 1, Navi skipped shadow word completely and went fatal 2 max upheaval. Warlock was laning with the AM. Obviously it's a better team fight build, but not so great for laning.

The casters mentioned that skipping shadow word is a popular among modern warlock builds. Can someone discuss this?

Warlock got played a few times in G-1 League in China over the last month. IIRC they used Shadow Word>Fatal Bonds>Upheaval every time.
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CongoJack
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada417 Posts
March 17 2012 04:28 GMT
#168
Just wanted to post to say thanks found this very useful.
Miicr0
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands133 Posts
March 26 2012 21:45 GMT
#169
Inded, thank you very much for your basic builds per hero. Now I feel like I at least have a plan (I got into the beta 2 weeks ago) and I finally start to see what items are viable for which kind of playstyle! Thanks
Learning from the best is the best way of learning...
insourcecertainty
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States142 Posts
March 27 2012 01:21 GMT
#170
Awesome!!! Pretty straight forward and informative.
Bigtony
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1606 Posts
March 28 2012 01:45 GMT
#171
Thanks, very helpful guides for a noob!
Push 2 Harder
VPCursed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
1044 Posts
April 02 2012 18:28 GMT
#172
hey, any plans to update this soon?
punk44244
Profile Joined October 2010
United States48 Posts
April 04 2012 19:12 GMT
#173
Very nice guide!

I am rather new to DotA but have always played HoN!

I am glad to find this and get better.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
April 08 2012 14:25 GMT
#174
ultimate scepter is agha?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
April 08 2012 17:49 GMT
#175
On April 08 2012 23:25 Erasme wrote:
ultimate scepter is agha?


no the other one

+ Show Spoiler +
Sorry :/
Grombidal
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden49 Posts
April 08 2012 18:00 GMT
#176
On April 08 2012 23:25 Erasme wrote:
ultimate scepter is agha?


yes I belive aghanims scepter is sometimes reffered to as "ultimate scepter" since it buffs the ultimate of some heroes.
Flatout all the time
Dankleteer
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1430 Posts
April 11 2012 18:57 GMT
#177
Thank you so much for this, these guides are lifesavers in single draft.
fresh chops
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
June 12 2012 13:06 GMT
#178
Awesome guides, I might have to put this in my favorites.

I disagree on your best beginner build for invoker though, if you're a real noob, you should use exort quas. It's pure right-click carrying. You pretty much max exort with quas in between, getting invoke on lvl 3 (for coldsnap) and again when you have 4 exort and 2 quas for Elementals. You never have to use invoke again, you simply keep elementals up all the time and use cold snap for ganking. Obviously not worth using in high level games, but it's ridiculously effective on low levels and extremely easy to play. Find enemy, cold snap, rightclick, win. Start with blades of attack+tango, then go for phase boots and wand immediately, then farm mid like crazy for assault cuirass, then your core is done and you'll be owning. Not only is it extremely strong for ganking, you can also push towers solo really easily.
5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
June 12 2012 13:36 GMT
#179
On June 12 2012 22:06 Tobberoth wrote:
Awesome guides, I might have to put this in my favorites.

I disagree on your best beginner build for invoker though, if you're a real noob, you should use exort quas. It's pure right-click carrying. You pretty much max exort with quas in between, getting invoke on lvl 3 (for coldsnap) and again when you have 4 exort and 2 quas for Elementals. You never have to use invoke again, you simply keep elementals up all the time and use cold snap for ganking. Obviously not worth using in high level games, but it's ridiculously effective on low levels and extremely easy to play. Find enemy, cold snap, rightclick, win. Start with blades of attack+tango, then go for phase boots and wand immediately, then farm mid like crazy for assault cuirass, then your core is done and you'll be owning. Not only is it extremely strong for ganking, you can also push towers solo really easily.

This was written pre-nerf, when emp tornado was even better. Something to consider though, thanks.
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
Cool Cat
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1644 Posts
June 12 2012 21:19 GMT
#180
yo 5-s you're ownage. you should stop throwing though.
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