NaNiwa not invited to Code S - Page 249

On December 15 2011 02:52 zanmat0 wrote:


No, that's too lenient. He should be banned from ever touching a computer again. Maybe give him life imprisonment too. That way we can be SURE he won't insult or abuse any spectators ever again.

On December 15 2011 02:50 Eury wrote:


GOMTV rely on the "foreign" audience. SC2 isn't that popular in Korea and the Korean audience get GSL for free with ads. Advertisement pay a lot less per viewer than paid ones.

So we are very important for them but that doesn't stop them for treating us in a very condescending way. Do you think it was a coincident that they announced Idra and Sen to Code S at the same time that they announced their Naniwa decision?

On December 15 2011 02:53 MayorITC wrote:


Ya, they hate him so much they were considering giving him a Code S spot.

Except as a result of Naniwa's own actions, Gom recanted their decision. Truly unfair!

On December 15 2011 02:53 MayorITC wrote:


Ya, they hate him so much they were considering giving him a Code S spot.

Except as a result of Naniwa's own actions, Gom recanted their decision. Truly unfair!

On December 15 2011 02:54 Femari wrote:

State of the Game. Everyone was saying it was stupid of Naniwa and thought he shouldn't have done it. But they all said they understand how it happened.

On December 15 2011 02:48 FLuE wrote:
I'm sure this has been brought up, and everyone is chiming in with their 2 cents but I think people are letting a lot of factors play into this that don't really matter.

I think when you step back from your like or dislike of Nani as a person/player etc. and step back from whether or not GOM had the proper format in place the key issue comes down to this :

The whole situation creates a very slippery slope. You are basically saying that there are limits on certain strategies because those strategies are viewed as not "respecting the opponent" or putting proper effort into the competition. But where is the line drawn? I mean we've already seen that a probe rush can win games, granted it is a .0000000001% chance to work at that high level of competition and we know Nani was just throwing the game, but what if instead he made 1 gateway, built 1 zealot, and sent all his probes. Is that acceptable? Do we need to put in the rules that all protoss players are required to at least attempt a 1-base 4 gate, otherwise the game isn't respectful enough to the opponent? What about all the terran players that just a few minutes into the game say, "screw it I'm pulling all my scvs bringing a few marines and just going all-in." Yes it is a strategy that can win a game, and a viable strategy, but I'd say pretty "disrespectful" to your opponent and certainly not enjoyable to the fans to watch, especially those players that every game in a series did the same cheese type builds.

It just seems to me like this is the type of thing that might happen. You can try to create better formats/prize money incentives to help prevent it, but the players have the right to choose to play a game however they want. An organization should not dictate that, because it ruins the purity of the game. Should we add a rule that you can't 6pool either?

I think ultimately these types of things don't need a reaction from GOM in anyway. It will sort itself out. Nani would have clearly learned a lesson by the backlash and known that you need to provide the fans more than that, and GOM could have used it as a chance to examine their system and realize why something like that happened. The rule that Nani apparently violated is so vague and arbitrary, it can be applied in way to many instances. Make the rule, "No probe rushing," then.

This to me just seems like one of those instances where there is way to much drama. I think Nani, when you really get down to it, did nothing actually wrong as far as going by the book. Was it the right thing to do? Probably not, but it wasn't wrong, it wasn't illegal, he didn't use a map hack, he didn't cheat.

This should have been one of those learning situations for eSports organizers, and players. The fans are excited to watch you play, even if nothing is on the line and the organizers need to understand that without incentives players might mail it in and they can't force them to play a certain way. If they knew that Nani v. Nestea was such a marquee game, then make it the first game of the day so that no matter what they do from that point the game mattered. Don't put it at the end knowing it might mean nothing.

tl;dr : I feel this could have been one of those eSports moments where everyone learned lessons, all sides apologized, and the result would have been stronger tournament setups and players understanding the importance of the fans and the fans reactions to ANY game regardless of what is on the line. The player still have every right to play how they want, but knowing the type of backlash you might get from doing something like that will probably be incentive enough for most players to take any televised/anticipated game seriously. Instead I feel we've ended up with a situation that just makes what Nani did look even worse, makes GOM look bad, and ultimately went from a learning strengthening experience for eSports to an overall negative where everyone has lost out.

On December 15 2011 02:55 The KY wrote:


So you're denying that he's improved massively recently? Naniwa has proven that he can beat any player in the world, don't see how you could argue otherwise.

On December 15 2011 02:54 Kznn wrote:




?????

Naniwa plays for quantic gaming son.
Quantic has NOTHING to do with MVP.

During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours

On December 15 2011 01:28 Waste wrote:
This is just WRONG seriously, zero compassion. Just a all out terrible decision this also makes the GSL such a worse show in my opinion.
The RIGHT decision would have been a warning, GSL just lost a huge chunk of respect, Mr Chae better yourself please or please find someone else more up for the job with any sense at all.
So little respect for Nani, think about all the hours he put down (actually one of the most hardworking people in the entire community). People at the GSL should think about this community as a modern one, let's face it we love that bm and shit. This is not Brood War.
NANIWA FIGHTING <3

On December 15 2011 02:56 Wallstreet11 wrote:


Hahan worst argument ever from the most biased party. Well played sir.

Like they even had the balls to deny him that when he won in front of thousands of peope.

On December 15 2011 02:57 JoeSchmoe wrote:


80% of the pro gamers can take games off anyone. that doesn't say anything about his relative skill.

On December 15 2011 02:53 perestain wrote:


They will get away with this scam though, because naniwa is not a popular player. He is to honest, gom expects people to fake a competition in situations like the one against nestea.