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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Wallstreet11
133 Posts
Where was all this outrage over the fact that Team MVP more or less froze him out while he was supposed to be in a partnership with that team? On top of that MVP during this "scandal" poured shit all over him. The one thing I hate are hypocrites and there are no fewer in Korea than the rest of the world you just have to broaden the horizon. | ||
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Fischbacher
Canada666 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:48 Snijjer wrote: This right here the STEM of every argument in this thread. Some people expect people to fake a showmatch, even if it doesn't matter, and others don't. It would be interesting to see if the people that bought a Blizzard Cup ticket are more in agreement with the decision than the people that didn't. Personally Nestea-NaNiwa was the match I was looking forward to the most out of the 10. I was pretty darn disappointed that the first game my 2012 GSL ticket got me was a probe rush... Was it that hard to at least proxy two gate? I could have played that game better than he did and I'm in bronze. | ||
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Steel91
United States34 Posts
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:48 Snijjer wrote: This right here the STEM of every argument in this thread. Some people expect people to fake a showmatch, even if it doesn't matter, and others don't. Actually I'm sure everyone wants them to actually try. If you're going to refuse to do that, at least make some sort of attempt to do something like a DT rush or 4 gate to have a non-zero chance of winning the game. | ||
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:41 Slin wrote: Then you should be mad at GSL. They should have some kind of price money difference between going 0-4 and 1-3 if they expect the players at 0-3 to play seriously. Am I the only one who doesnt have to be told by my boss to do my job or offered separate financial compensation for each action I take in the day? If I agree to do something for my boss I do it. If it takes longer than I expected to finish then it is on me. If GOM lied to Naniwa about his obligations (saying he could take walk overs or something) then the fan boys have a case but I have seen nothing hinting to that. Pro gamers are entertainers, so do your jobs. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:47 iky43210 wrote: what? they're commenters, they are not going to go raging in middle of their job. The Korean community is mad, you don't have to question that. See MC recent interview I've already read what the Koreans had to say and I found it hilarious. I'm very well informed on their culture as well and I'm still sort of surprised they took it this far. I sort of knew they would make a scapegoat out of Nani, but after seeing how it unfolded. Well sweet Jeebus. With that said, I highly suggest they re-write the new rule because it can be interpreted millions of different ways. Victory ceremonies and the way you win just got tossed out once again. You manner mule me. Fuck you. OFFENSIVE! ;o From a logistical perspective. The rule is a total fucking nightmare. It needs to be substantiated. | ||
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MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:51 Europes-Mima wrote: finally. someones got it. also this is turning into a copmlete wichhunt. people just want to see naniwa burn, because he probabl wasnt their favourite player anyways. hes not mine neither. but still i realize goms reaction is absolutely unfair (as childish as it might sound - the term "unfair" fits just perfect). Ya, they hate him so much they were considering giving him a Code S spot. Except as a result of Naniwa's own actions, Gom recanted their decision. Truly unfair! On December 15 2011 02:52 Wallstreet11 wrote: A question about all who cry "he should be a professional" and "Things are expected of him form his team and GOM" and also "He wasn´t mannered enough to be in korea".... Where was all this outrage over the fact that Team MVP more or less froze him out while he was supposed to be in a partnership with that team? On top of that MVP during this "scandal" poured shit all over him. The one thing I hate are hypocrites and there are no fewer in Korea than the rest of the world you just have to broaden the horizon. Exact same thing. You reap what you sow. Other Col players weren't having issues (or weren't voicing them). I'm sorry, but as a full-fledged adult, I've learned a long time ago that there's no such thing as free handouts. If people are giving unequal treatment towards Naniwa, that doesn't mean it is unfair. Unfair would be when someone is treated unequally for baseless reasons. I don't know why the MVP house ostracized Naniwa so I can't comment if that was fair or unfair, but GomTV's decision was completely fair since they had valid reasons in their eyes to do so. | ||
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:07 Wallstreet11 wrote: Seriously are you entertainded(Glad inc) by seeing GSL full of koreans who have the exact same haircut, body shape, way of talking and mannerism? When Bomber and MC BM they are "unique" and "funny". When a foreigner like Naniwa does the thumbs down he gets booed at MLG and then he gets a severe punishment for "dissing" as some have called it a korean player? Haha such a huuuuge amount of hypocrisy. "You do not probe rush a korean player because it was considered disrespectful. THEY WHAT is MC´s thumbs down, Bombers Shannanigans and all who make manner mules/nexi? That is of course allowed and they don´t get shit for that but when a foreigner does not take a game seriously he gets punished in less than 24h!? Jesus what an organisation He didn't get boo'ed at MLG for thumbs-downing NesTea, he got boo'ed for crying on-and-on at the start of the game, crying at the start of the game, disrespecting MLG, then trying to play it off as "hey look I won, yay cheer for me." The thumbs-down just shows that he's an immature player and a sore loser (which can be reinforced by his decision making here). Also, ceremonies are highly different from what NaNiwa did. NaNiwa literally threw a game, and it is GOM's job to bring great games to their audience. If NaNiwa is going to get in the way of providing great games for the audience, he is going against GOM's mission and therefore should be punished. On December 15 2011 02:53 Velocirapture wrote: Am I the only one who doesnt have to be told by my boss to do my job or offered separate financial compensation for each action I take in the day? If I agree to do something for my boss I do it. If it takes longer than I expected to finish then it is on me. If GOM lied to Naniwa about his obligations (saying he could take walk overs or something) then the fan boys have a case but I have seen nothing hinting to that. Pro gamers are entertainers, so do your jobs. EDIT: This basically sums up my point of view. | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:52 justinpal wrote: That's what they are saying now, but if you check here: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nc8g6/naniwa_loses_code_s_spot/ There is at least 5 sources that have said that NaNi earned/won/is in Code S. So, we can talk about misinformation and technicalities all day. After all the first tweet was: "NaNiwa is baned 2012 GSL codeS Season#1 Seed. so, GamaniaSen is coming!" Misunderstanding with MLG and all the sources came from the MLG page and that tweet meant that Naniwa was the highest seed for the invite but he blew it. | ||
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SpiffD
Denmark1264 Posts
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Warillions
United States215 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:28 smakme7757 wrote: It's true what you say, but what is Naniwa to GOM? Nothing. There are heaps of players that could take Naniwas position, both in Korea and around the world; The GSL is also is one of the best SC2 tournements in the world. You think other players will just boycott the GSL because of Naniwa? I doubt it, maybe some foreign players, but it still won't stop GOM from making a killing with their korean players, but lets face it, foreigners will still travel to Korea because that's the Holy Grail in SC2! guess what brown nose. its not the Holy Grail. your code S players are droppin games left and right. and are traveling outside korea to play. koreans wont be top for long, there are already plenty of korean lvl forieners to watch outside of GOM, i dont even watch gsl nemore, mainly just support MLG. and will continue to do so from shit like this happening. | ||
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perestain
Germany308 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:51 Asymmetric wrote: This should put MLG in a precarious position actually. 1) MLG and its employees made it clear that Naniwa would recieve a code S spot from his performance at providence. 2) MLG tolerates players forfeiting games. Several well known players have forfeited there consolation seeding games after being knocked out of the championship bracket. They can therefor not logically endorse GOMTV punishing a player for essentially refusing to play an even less meaningful match. Gom will get away with this scam though, because naniwa is not a popular player. He is to honest, gom expects people to fake a competition in situations like the one against nestea. With no clear stance from the community there will be no problems for mlg. | ||
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Polox
Sweden115 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:46 SuperYo1000 wrote: People saying Naniwa is the best foreigner?!? Thats highly debatable. Watching those games I didnt see anything to be impressed about. Either way he shouldnt get a free pass anyways to waste time/money/entertainment because he is skilled He wants to act like a baby? He will get treated like one. Gom made the right choice Then I question your eyes. If he's the best foreigner or not is as you said debatable, but if you can't see hes among the top then you have clearly made up your mind about it and refuse to realize the truth. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:51 pPingu wrote: Where did you read that? The only thing I've found is And some posts but nothing saying nani should be punished State of the Game. Everyone was saying it was stupid of Naniwa and thought he shouldn't have done it. But they all said they understand how it happened. | ||
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:52 Wallstreet11 wrote: A question about all who cry "he should be a professional" and "Things are expected of him form his team and GOM" and also "He wasn´t mannered enough to be in korea".... Where was all this outrage over the fact that Team MVP more or less froze him out while he was supposed to be in a partnership with that team? On top of that MVP during this "scandal" poured shit all over him. The one thing I hate are hypocrites and there are no fewer in Korea than the rest of the world you just have to broaden the horizon. ????? Naniwa plays for quantic gaming son. Quantic has NOTHING to do with MVP. | ||
hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:50 LeopoldStotch wrote: He's speaking for quite a few people. If you didn't have selective reading, you would see that a lot of people are happy Naniwa got that punishment. I know. Actually, I believe I did say many agree with the punishment. But it's not fair to say he "shitted on everything he could" or even that he "disrespected his fans" or any variation of that. | ||
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ToasteR_
Canada551 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:52 LeopoldStotch wrote: Actually it does. You can't just show up into work and sit there with your thumb up your ass doing nothing. Sure you showed up, but you didn't do your freaking job. His job is to play a videogame, which he played 4 games that day. 3 of those games he tried on the 4th...didnt try at all but he still played the game. Your example makes it seem like he showed up to GOM (going to work) then just sat there and didnt play (sitting with his thumb in his ass) | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8306 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:51 IrOnKaL wrote: Hmmm wow this is very interesting. Like what they said on sotg last night, where do you draw the line on what strats are "abusive and offensive". I'm sure Naniwa will think twice though before doing something like that again. Could you imagine if he said joke tournament during a gsl code S live match? To my understanding MLG did not punish Naniwa in any way for doing that. And frankly they should have! Hell, if they have there's always a chance that this situation never would have arose. Naniwa bit the hand that feeds one too many times in my opinion. And I can even see how some would call him not a pro gamer, especially as that is a translation. Pro gamer is short for professional gamer. A person who is un-professional is literally not professional. Naniwa acted unprofessionally. Somewhere along the line I can certainly see how a translated statement of "he is not a professional gamer" could happen. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:44 Arceus wrote: This "best foreigner" goes 0-10 in GSL. Im actually questioning the quality of Code S if GOM includes a player who got whitewashed every single time in ro32 Code frickin' A. Is Naniwa that worthy ? I can imagine GSL becomes more of a "serious tournament" skill-wise by removing that kind of player. So you're denying that he's improved massively recently? Naniwa has proven that he can beat any player in the world, don't see how you could argue otherwise. | ||
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
Naniwa's actions were unprofessional, and disrespectful to the GSL. Now, I am sure that he didn't intend to disrespect the GSL, but I support the GSL in sending a message that if games are on the schedule, we, as fans, can expect to see players play out those games. I am purchasing a GSL season pass today in support of this action. | ||
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