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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 22:17 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:12 bittman wrote:
Guys, guys, guys calm down.
Naniwa never had a Code S spot.
Please, for the love of god, stop this thread! If he never had a code s spot, there was no need for an announcement to be made either via twitter or the stream of the blizzcup tonight that he was losing that spot. If you want to argue stupid semantics and say he was never 'awarded' the spot from his Providence performance, then be my guest. But the reality was that GOM, in light of that performance, with or without the exchange program being in force, had assigned a slot to Naniwa. And in a knee-jerk reaction they've removed him from that slot. Call it whatever you like, it is what it is.
Clearly there was a need. GOM needed to declare their stand on the inappropriate behavior of Naniwa. People need to understand the reason why they didn't select him (or changed their mind) to show their stand on professionalism.
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On December 14 2011 22:17 Vardant wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:14 Pwnographics wrote:On December 14 2011 22:14 Vardant wrote:On December 14 2011 22:12 Pwnographics wrote:On December 14 2011 22:11 Vardant wrote:On December 14 2011 22:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 14 2011 22:08 nihlon wrote:This is straight from MLG's website. The rules state that the highest placing non-Code S player to place within the Top 3 at each Event earns a seat in the next Code S tournament. does not apply to providence. So why are there two distinct articles on the MLG website, that say otherwise? With the pedigree Naniwa displayed over the weekend, it's hard not to be excited about Naniwa's 2012 prospects in Code S and at Major League Gaming Events. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/top-5-stories-from-mlg-providence/In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascensionOpen your eyes, GOM is lying to you. How come there are no Code A invites son? Are you kidding me? Why does that matter? They clearly gave him Code S for placing second. That's all you need to know. It matters because there were no invites to begin with at all. What about Idra and Demuslim?, weren't they invited to Up/Downs? Huh?
Idra claimed his up and down spot from previous MLGs.
Jinro still can claim his if he wants but he doesn't believe he deserves it yet.
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On December 14 2011 22:15 zanga wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:13 nihlon wrote:Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
■At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
■At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: ■Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.
■Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status.
■Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players.
■If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-programSo when did these rules change then? They change all the time I can only suppose? Since GOMTV writes NO INFORMATION on their site or any where for a (at least non-korean) to read...
Why should they when most of their viewership is in Korea? Also, Incase you didnt know they have an english site.
Dont make this about race when it clearly is not.
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On December 14 2011 22:12 Zraf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:04 brrip wrote:On December 14 2011 21:57 hacky wrote:On December 14 2011 21:55 ImperialTea wrote:On December 14 2011 21:41 Ghanburighan wrote:On December 14 2011 21:36 boxturtle wrote:
Completely justified. If he can't show respect for the money fans paid to see these matches, in the format they were set out, he doesn't deserve his invited spot. I always stayed up late to watch GSL, but that will now change. The anti-GOM reactions have prompted me to show my support by buying a ticket.
This was a player's blatant disregard and complete flouting for the rules coming back to bite him in the butt. Nothing more, nothing less. It's also absurd that the format should be "bad" now, and no one pointed this out before. If someone had pointed this out, people probably would have found a justification for this format such as "hey these are the best players in the world and GOM's going to give us more matches, including the Naniwa v Nestea centerpiece."
The people using sports comparisons to support Nani are way off base. If you paid money for a season ticket and watched a game where a team sat down on the field because the match "didn't matter" would you think it was "funny?"
If anyone thinks that refusing to buy a GSL ticket because of this action alone will help them prove a point, they can try thinking about what would happen if they did nothing and showed that any match, any anticipated event, could be flouted by an angry player in a bad condition. Athletes don't do this, and if E-sports is going to be anything but a fetish-y footnote in the internet age section of a history book, actions like this are necessary.
I have a feeling that no one that's supporting Nani right now actually bought a ticket.
I hope Mr. Chae reads this (I know he has posted on these forums before) and understands that some people support him, with our wallets as well as our words. Great first post!  I agree with the sentiment, in fact, there are very few forum veterans that seem to be posting in favour of Nani, and that's probably because people that actually compete in tournaments know they themselves wouldn't act like Naniwa did. I completely agree with this post, as well as those saying that it's completely unprofessional. Footballers who sit down and don't play actually have something to complain about, Naniwa didn't. Also agreeing. Too much nonsense in this thread as is. Need to highlight the better argument. agree with the post, the agreement, the next agreement and the one after that I agree with this as well, and disagreeing with sports comparisons made. I think it is more comparable to players intentionally getting red cards/technical fouls to get the game canceled, instead of playing 2nd stringers.
well said. i loved seeing naniwa play b4 all this...yet im thinking about buying GOM ticket now. Mr Chae's decision to keep GSL from this attitude is a plus to me
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On December 14 2011 21:58 Alpino wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:58 tombola wrote:
I really had hopes that after Artosis said: "Don't get behind the players, get behind the tournament", people would take this piece of advice. Naniwa showed unprofessional behaviour and got punished for it, it's as simple as that. Yes, fuck the players and don't criticize the tournaments. Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:58 vthree wrote:
Let's look at this from another perspective... What if Naniwa and Nestea played their normal game and Khaldor just refused to cast because the game was 'meaningless'? Don't you think he would have been fired? Doesn't make sense he gets paid for every cast he does.
Naniwa was paid to play in that tournament too, actually.
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On December 14 2011 22:15 The_DarkAngelz wrote:Well... https://twitter.com/#!/CoLNaniwaIdrA said everything....the main fault was the tournament format, like it or not. If even players that lost some games could regain a spot on the brackets someway like MLG then they'd play they fully potential. I'd never watch a game pointless as this last naniwa vs nestea. By the way i did not! So, u wanna players and spectators to watch fully and get them both excited? Change the format to a format that makes sense to Esports, and not a joke 1 game only lol GOM IS JUST LOL
That's not his twitter
This is:
https://twitter.com/#!/quanticnani
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you guys realize that you're basing your information off some random dude on twitter who happens to speak korean and english and doesn't know what he was talking about
nani was seeded into code s
now he is not
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On December 14 2011 22:17 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:12 bittman wrote:
Guys, guys, guys calm down.
Naniwa never had a Code S spot.
Please, for the love of god, stop this thread! If he never had a code s spot, there was no need for an announcement to be made either via twitter or the stream of the blizzcup tonight that he was losing that spot. If you want to argue stupid semantics and say he was never 'awarded' the spot from his Providence performance, then be my guest. But the reality was that GOM, in light of that performance, with or without the exchange program being in force, had assigned a slot to Naniwa. And in a knee-jerk reaction they've removed him from that slot. Call it whatever you like, it is what it is.
There was a need. It was to announce that his behaviour was unacceptable.
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I like this a lot more than MLGs approach, their lack of balls disturbed me. If someone calls your product a joke for thousands of customers to see you should do something about it.
I dont know how anyone can deny that Naniwa had it coming , if you act like a dick on a regular basis one of these days it will cause some trouble for you.
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So if the monkey doesnt want to dance, does it deserve to die?
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While I think this is too harsh, Naniwa practically asked for this.
It's one thing to do what he did, it's an entirely other thing to do it then criticize anyone for being upset and take a shit on koreans when you want to live in korea. Naniwa should have just apologized completely and promised GOM he would not repeat this behavior. Instead he baits more hate and anger with a half ass apology and then saying "koreans need to stop making such a big deal out of everything". Fucking seriously naniwa? You don't shit where you sleep, regardless how you feel bite your tongue. I bet if he didn't add this insult to koreans and act like he has the right to tell them what they "need to do", GOM wouldn't have added this punishment. He really is clueless sometimes.
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I lost all faith in Gomtv. Ridiculous how far out of proportions the punishment is compared to what he did. And the rule was stretched to the moon. Honor only seems to go one way.
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On December 14 2011 22:17 oban wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:10 Chickenlegs wrote:On December 14 2011 22:07 oban wrote:On December 14 2011 21:53 shadymmj wrote:On December 14 2011 21:50 oban wrote:
Way too harsh of a punishment. GOM really are amateurs in every way possible and not worthy of hosting internatoinal tournaments. They fucked over Stephano last time when MC seemed to play to have DRG move to the next round. Wouldn't surprise me at all if the issue is racism. yes swedish genius disqualify a misbehaving white dude and invite another white dude to play totally racist I've seen people misbehaving plenty of times in the GSL. Not to mention Idra forfeiting games, but apparently it's fine when Americans and Koreans do it, probably due to their partnership with MLG. Idra even put Zenio in the same group as MC and laughed about it afterwards. And he gets invited back into code S? Do you call that sportsmanship? Gom is a joke organization. I'm sure racism is a big part of their decisions in the last few days. On behalf of swedish people I apologize for this one, I hope for all our sake that he is still young so we can rectify the mistakes and make him a normal human being. You don't have to apologize for me kid and I'm most likely older than 99% on this forum. I have to assume you think it's ok for Gom to use different standards depending on who they're dealing with then? As for the racial issue I've lived in SKorea and know what I'm talking about. Disgusting!
Well then clearly the old ways of teaching were way off and we should all be glad that we changed it.
I'm sorry but I cannot engage into a serious discussion against you when you spew random shit that isn't even true.
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Wow. Imo a warning would have been more acceptable. Naniwa is known to be quite emotional. Also, I feel like Gom should have predicted something like this could have happened and should have asked players not to do it.
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you guys just have to realize what this means to the top pros that play hard and practice everyday and weren't invited because they were not good enough. i think you all should read MKP's twitter post and realize that yes Nani did act VERY VERY unprofessionally and did not show any respect to the player, casters, or anyone involved in the production
@MKPS2: I wonder what all the gamers who wanted to be in that position thought... I really wanted it too...
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On December 14 2011 22:07 Pwnographics wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:05 bikefrog wrote:On December 14 2011 21:59 harobi wrote:
its good to always have standard, nice job GOM. just ignore this "i won't buy next gsl ticket " or "i will never watch gsl again" haters gonna hate. Yes, ignore a significant economic loss, Einstein. Significant? How many people watch the GSL purely for Naniwa alone? Korea which has the largest viewership of the GSL strongly support this decision. All in all it might increase the money GOM earns.
You assume that only people that want to watch Naniwa will stop watching ? Maybe, but I definitely will not watch or pay anymore and I could care less about Naniwa in code S. Hypocrisy, stupidity and valuing pretend above honesty are things that irk me.
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On December 14 2011 22:17 LunaSea wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:15 Rupyness wrote:
Couldnt naniwa sue mlg since its basically breach of contract since he lost a code s seed that was as a result of an agreementbetween mlg and the players.
Then mlg would have to tell the gsl they cant do that Interesting. He probably could yes. Althought I don't think this would be a good thing to do... :S
Ehm, no, basicly he caused this to happen by himself, so it's not mlg's fault for him getting booted by his own doing.
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Bow down to the almighty GOM they can apparently do whatever they want. They can even insult players on TV classy.
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On December 14 2011 22:19 Sethronu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:58 Alpino wrote:On December 14 2011 21:58 tombola wrote:
I really had hopes that after Artosis said: "Don't get behind the players, get behind the tournament", people would take this piece of advice. Naniwa showed unprofessional behaviour and got punished for it, it's as simple as that. Yes, fuck the players and don't criticize the tournaments. On December 14 2011 21:58 vthree wrote:
Let's look at this from another perspective... What if Naniwa and Nestea played their normal game and Khaldor just refused to cast because the game was 'meaningless'? Don't you think he would have been fired? Doesn't make sense he gets paid for every cast he does. Naniwa was paid to play in that tournament too, actually.
Was he really? Wasn't he awarded for placing 5th in the group?
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On December 14 2011 22:17 drinkpepsi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:16 Greegs wrote:
I actually had alot to say, but its been said, tho i feel its important for me to say that i was gonna buy a gom year pass, but because of this im simply not going to anymore. Better yet, the Western world should completely withdraw from GOM. Show them they can't arbitrarily ban our players by making them sink to the bottom of the sea. But it won't happen, sadly.
Because GOMTV is some racist organization out to get all non-koreans by picking them out one by one like assassins. You are seriously too much buddy.
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