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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 22:12 Daray wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:06 ethos wrote:
What is so difficult about this.
Naniwa was disrespectful. Naniwa was sent to the corner.
You shouldn't be sad for Naniwa, you should be sad that it seems that esports has to raise other people's children.
You don't get on their stage and then in the middle of it decide not to play by their rules because your feelings are hurt, and then get away with it scot-free (this isn't even that big of a punishment, its only a month, unless I'm mistaken).
Gom has to be sure that the decisions that they make for the sake of the fans (format) are adhered to by the players that take their stage, even when you get the shitty end of the stick.
We all have to sacrifice sometimes.
Such is (adult) life.
Naniwa gets a free pass why? Because you like him? Thumbs up. Naniwa is one of those guys who doesn't take responsibility from his actions. Banned from EPS, no gg @ GSL, joke tournament @ MLG and there were others aswell. After all those indicidents one thing i would be thinking is that i can't fuck up again and do something stupid but no Naniwa doesn't think like this at all, he's still a child.
A little off topic, but when did he not GG in GSL, and what were the circumstances? Only think there has been one other no GG in GSL history (Inka season 1 against Fruitdealer's six pool.)
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So basically everyone is FORCED to be respectful?
Thats my problem with the whole gg and manner-talk. Its not a sign of respect, youre demanded to to this otherwise: consequences.
We dont need bowing-down-robots, we need individuals and naniwa is one aswell as idra.
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Couldnt naniwa sue mlg since its basically breach of contract since he lost a code s seed that was as a result of an agreementbetween mlg and the players.
Then mlg would have to tell the gsl they cant do that
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On December 14 2011 22:08 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:06 ethos wrote:
What is so difficult about this.
Naniwa was disrespectful. Naniwa was sent to the corner.
You shouldn't be sad for Naniwa, you should be sad that it seems that esports has to raise other people's children.
You don't get on their stage and then in the middle of it decide not to play by their rules because your feelings are hurt, and then get away with it scot-free (this isn't even that big of a punishment, its only a month, unless I'm mistaken).
Gom has to be sure that the decisions that they make for the sake of the fans (format) are adhered to by the players that take their stage, even when you get the shitty end of the stick.
We all have to sacrifice sometimes.
Such is (adult) life.
Naniwa gets a free pass why? Because you like him? Naniwa won his spot like DRG and MMA did before him. What did Idra and Sen win to win claim that Code S spot?
No he didnt. He got invited, and now uninvited...
This information should be added to the starting post..
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That's rough but it's their tournament so they can do whatever they think is acceptable. Talk with your wallets if this decision is unacceptable to you as a fan. Personally, I will still probably watch the GSL regardless.
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On December 14 2011 22:06 ethos wrote:
What is so difficult about this.
Naniwa was disrespectful. Naniwa was sent to the corner.
You shouldn't be sad for Naniwa, you should be sad that it seems that esports has to raise other people's children.
You don't get on their stage and then in the middle of it decide not to play by their rules because your feelings are hurt, and then get away with it scot-free (this isn't even that big of a punishment, its only a month, unless I'm mistaken).
Gom has to be sure that the decisions that they make for the sake of the fans (format) are adhered to by the players that take their stage, even when you get the shitty end of the stick.
We all have to sacrifice sometimes.
Such is (adult) life.
Naniwa gets a free pass why? Because you like him?
Because Naniwa is making huge sacrifices to be a part of all of this. Or do you possibly think that he has it easy?
The point isn't so much that he shouldn't be ashamed of his actions, the point is that his punishment is arbitrary (that is, "made up on the spot") and he obviously was not expecting such a harsh backlash over a game that was a formality (a losers match without meaning).
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What a joke from GOM..
I think theyre getting pissed someone doesnt take their super serious e-sports baby as serious as they do.
I so wanted my GOM TV pass for next year. Now im not so sure anymore.
This could have been handled much much better by GOM. A nice reaction would be that all foreigners leave korea and no korean is invited to any international tournament next year. Wont happen though.
edit: everything under the assumption that naniwa didnt know what he did, and that GOM didnt even gave naniwa a chance to apologise.
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On December 14 2011 22:13 ethos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:08 HappyChris wrote:On December 14 2011 22:06 ethos wrote:
What is so difficult about this.
Naniwa was disrespectful. Naniwa was sent to the corner.
You shouldn't be sad for Naniwa, you should be sad that it seems that esports has to raise other people's children.
You don't get on their stage and then in the middle of it decide not to play by their rules because your feelings are hurt, and then get away with it scot-free (this isn't even that big of a punishment, its only a month, unless I'm mistaken).
Gom has to be sure that the decisions that they make for the sake of the fans (format) are adhered to by the players that take their stage, even when you get the shitty end of the stick.
We all have to sacrifice sometimes.
Such is (adult) life.
Naniwa gets a free pass why? Because you like him? Naniwa won his spot like DRG and MMA did before him. What did Idra and Sen win to win claim that Code S spot? Well they weren't disrespectful to the organization that allowed them to play were they?
Imo it's already fucked up when you have to have this high and mighty organization uncapable of wrongs that kindly allows you to play. Like they are this fucking merciful savior of e-sports. Jesus christ.
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On December 14 2011 22:13 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
■At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
■At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: ■Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.
■Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status.
■Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players.
■If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-programSo when did these rules change then?
They change all the time I can only suppose? Since GOMTV writes NO INFORMATION on their site or any where for a (at least non-korean) to read...
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On December 14 2011 22:14 baoluvboa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:13 justinpal wrote:On December 14 2011 22:10 baoluvboa wrote:On December 14 2011 22:09 DanceOnCreep wrote:
Why is everyone Arguging with Korean Culture when the GSL trys so hard to be a international Tournament, GSL is nothing without the dedicated fans in the whole wide world. Back to Topic if this is the blizzard cup and not the gsl why u dont ban naniwa for future blizzard cups instead of taking his code s spot whats a different tournament? And where is the Punishment for the Korean "Pros" they are shitting disrespect and insults out of theyre mouths? Read other posts, Naniwa had no Code S spot. They just deemed him not worthy due to his behaviors and gave to Sen. He did not earn one from providence. Sen doesn't have a Code S spot. How'd he earn it? Two seeds from GOM's choice
I wonder if they are going to make Sen play all the games in every Bo3 he plays. I wonder if they are going to play the GSL finals to all seven games and ask the players to display professionalism. As long as one person is watching that travesty they might.
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On December 14 2011 22:12 TheBanana wrote:Dude, not handing out the code S spot he rightfully deserved from the MLG-GSL exchange-program and revoking his code S-status is the same damn thing. The only difference is semantics.
Missed opportunity is not the same thing though. He didn't earn a Code S spot at Providence. Misunderstanding!
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On December 14 2011 22:10 dicex wrote:
Those Fanboys here seriously need to calm down. I myself support Naniwa and think this is a bad day for him, but lets try to see things objectively.
Imagine this would happen in any kind of sport. One basketball team just sitting in the corner of the field for example, because the game was not an important one. Fans would be going nuts because of bad sportsmanship, and the league would definitely draw their consequences.
This is not "the Koreans imposing their will on other cultures", this is a normal consequence for bad sportsmanship.
So what you say is basically this: If it is a game, where completely nothing is on the line anymore, then the players are expected to play their a-game?
I´m not a "fanboy", but I do understand naniwa´s lack of motivation.
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While I feel bad for Naniwa I have no sympathy for him and his situation. I was not going to get the premium ticket for GSL because of how busy I am but I just bought it to support GOM's decision.
Personally I was offended by Naniwa's actions. So my personal retaliation was to boycott his team's sponsors. I am glad that GOM was also offended by Nani's actions and have decided to revoke his invited seed.
And now that I learn that Providence wasn't even included in the MLG/GOM agreement it seems like the perfect punishment. If Naniwa can't behave in one invited tourney (Blizzard Cup) why invite him to a second?
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On December 14 2011 22:15 Occultus wrote:
So basically everyone is FORCED to be respectful?
Thats my problem with the whole gg and manner-talk. Its not a sign of respect, youre demanded to to this otherwise: consequences.
We dont need bowing-down-robots, we need individuals and naniwa is one aswell as idra.
We need players to play the game first and foremost and Naniwa failed at the first hurdle
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On December 14 2011 22:14 Pwnographics wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:13 nihlon wrote:Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
■At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
■At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: ■Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.
■Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status.
■Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players.
■If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-programSo when did these rules change then? Excludes providence. Kinda explains why there were no Code A invites as well?!
Isn't that because they were invited to up-and-down and not the actualy code A? :o
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I actually had alot to say, but its been said, tho i feel its important for me to say that i was gonna buy a gom year pass, but because of this im simply not going to anymore.
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Man, it's impossible to keep up with the discussion in this thread, it grows 10 pages each time I check it.  Popular topic.
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It makes me cringe to see that almost every single person trying to defend naniwa with rediculous arguments & even more rediculous & irrelevant replies are from Sweden..
anyways, this thread feels like it's going to keep on growing 'till a mod actually closes the thread.
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On December 14 2011 22:16 Sneakyz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:14 Pwnographics wrote:On December 14 2011 22:13 nihlon wrote:Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
■At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
■At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: ■Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.
■Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status.
■Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players.
■If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-programSo when did these rules change then? Excludes providence. Kinda explains why there were no Code A invites as well?! Isn't that because they were invited to up-and-down and not the actualy code A? :o
No one was invited into up-and-down. There weren't invites to begin with.
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On December 14 2011 22:09 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:08 HappyChris wrote:On December 14 2011 22:06 ethos wrote:
What is so difficult about this.
Naniwa was disrespectful. Naniwa was sent to the corner.
You shouldn't be sad for Naniwa, you should be sad that it seems that esports has to raise other people's children.
You don't get on their stage and then in the middle of it decide not to play by their rules because your feelings are hurt, and then get away with it scot-free (this isn't even that big of a punishment, its only a month, unless I'm mistaken).
Gom has to be sure that the decisions that they make for the sake of the fans (format) are adhered to by the players that take their stage, even when you get the shitty end of the stick.
We all have to sacrifice sometimes.
Such is (adult) life.
Naniwa gets a free pass why? Because you like him? Naniwa won his spot like DRG and MMA did before him. What did Idra and Sen win to win claim that Code S spot? Idra won IEM. Sen beat Naniwa to take 3rd place at Blizzcon behind MVP and Nestea.
Dude they dont got a fuckign exchange program with GSL do they? MLG got an exchange program. MMA and DRG won there code S spot true that so did Naniwa.
You get it.
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