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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 22:11 Vardant wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 14 2011 22:08 nihlon wrote:This is straight from MLG's website. The rules state that the highest placing non-Code S player to place within the Top 3 at each Event earns a seat in the next Code S tournament. does not apply to providence. So why are there two distinct articles on the MLG website, that say otherwise? Show nested quote +With the pedigree Naniwa displayed over the weekend, it's hard not to be excited about Naniwa's 2012 prospects in Code S and at Major League Gaming Events. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/top-5-stories-from-mlg-providence/Show nested quote +In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascensionOpen your eyes, GOM is lying to you.
GOM is not lying to me, MLG is.
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On December 14 2011 21:38 semm wrote:
You can really tell how many young people there are in this thread. For the ones saying 'He didn't break any of the official rules!' Listen up: Naniwa is a professional gamer, being in tournaments like the GSL is his JOB. For those of you who have never had a real job let me give you a tip: if you go around disrespecting the business's customers, not showing up for the work and generally having a bad attitude, then when you get called into the boss's office say 'I don't see any rules I broke in the employee handbook!' you will be laughed out of the building and you will get fired I assure you. The ban is completely in keeping with any type of pro-gaming scene that wants to be professional in the least.
His job is to represent his team and play his best in tournaments.
And actually he did play his best in 3 matches. He was eliminated, what's the point of playing more?
There are situations when 3rd/4th place match is not being played/broadcasted.
So what is more unprofessional?
Forfeiting pointless game or creating "pointless game", broadcasting it and expecting him to play it?
You invite Lady Gaga to do a show and you go like: Hey, would you come to the 2nd side of the globe to sing one song to wievers for free? I wonder how that would go.
Imagine extreme situation like this: MLG loosers bracket someone just lost in one of the last rounds and someone goes like: Hey man we've got a special offer for you. There is no money for you, but would you like to play BO1 on air as a consolation prize? Come on people.
If anyone should punish him or do anything with this - it would be his teams job to do that.
If league wants to punish him he'd actually have to break the rules which he didn't.
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On December 14 2011 22:06 ethos wrote:
What is so difficult about this.
Naniwa was disrespectful. Naniwa was sent to the corner.
You shouldn't be sad for Naniwa, you should be sad that it seems that esports has to raise other people's children.
You don't get on their stage and then in the middle of it decide not to play by their rules because your feelings are hurt, and then get away with it scot-free (this isn't even that big of a punishment, its only a month, unless I'm mistaken).
Gom has to be sure that the decisions that they make for the sake of the fans (format) are adhered to by the players that take their stage, even when you get the shitty end of the stick.
We all have to sacrifice sometimes.
Such is (adult) life.
Naniwa gets a free pass why? Because you like him?
I guess all the Korean players that have ever dropped mules, made Nexuses or ever done any celebration at all should have their spot in whatever league they are in revoked, because that certainly falls within the legislation of this "rule", more so than what NaNiWa did.
Gom should apologize for the idiotic format they use in the Blizzard Cup group stages and the Up & Down matches, that not only makes players play matches they are unmotivated to play, but also promotes unfair competition and gives incentive for matchmaking, because that is what offends me, their paying customer, not that NaNiWa chose to forfeit what would have been a bad match I did not want to see.
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On December 14 2011 22:07 oban wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:53 shadymmj wrote:On December 14 2011 21:50 oban wrote:
Way too harsh of a punishment. GOM really are amateurs in every way possible and not worthy of hosting internatoinal tournaments. They fucked over Stephano last time when MC seemed to play to have DRG move to the next round. Wouldn't surprise me at all if the issue is racism. yes swedish genius disqualify a misbehaving white dude and invite another white dude to play totally racist I've seen people misbehaving plenty of times in the GSL. Not to mention Idra forfeiting games, but apparently it's fine when Americans and Koreans do it, probably due to their partnership with MLG. Idra even put Zenio in the same group as MC and laughed about it afterwards. And he gets invited back into code S? Do you call that sportsmanship? Gom is a joke organization. I'm sure racism is a big part of their decisions in the last few days.
You gotta be kidding me, you can't seriously be this stupid.
You're allowed to forfeit games. Doesn't matter if you're korean or American or Swedish.
Can you even say, with a straight face, that you believe GOM are racist towards swedes, but not Americans? Because that's seriously the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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On December 14 2011 22:08 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:06 ethos wrote:
What is so difficult about this.
Naniwa was disrespectful. Naniwa was sent to the corner.
You shouldn't be sad for Naniwa, you should be sad that it seems that esports has to raise other people's children.
You don't get on their stage and then in the middle of it decide not to play by their rules because your feelings are hurt, and then get away with it scot-free (this isn't even that big of a punishment, its only a month, unless I'm mistaken).
Gom has to be sure that the decisions that they make for the sake of the fans (format) are adhered to by the players that take their stage, even when you get the shitty end of the stick.
We all have to sacrifice sometimes.
Such is (adult) life.
Naniwa gets a free pass why? Because you like him? Naniwa won his spot like DRG and MMA did before him. What did Idra and Sen win to win claim that Code S spot?
Well they weren't disrespectful to the organization that allowed them to play were they?
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On December 14 2011 22:10 baoluvboa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:09 DanceOnCreep wrote:
Why is everyone Arguging with Korean Culture when the GSL trys so hard to be a international Tournament, GSL is nothing without the dedicated fans in the whole wide world. Back to Topic if this is the blizzard cup and not the gsl why u dont ban naniwa for future blizzard cups instead of taking his code s spot whats a different tournament? And where is the Punishment for the Korean "Pros" they are shitting disrespect and insults out of theyre mouths? Read other posts, Naniwa had no Code S spot. They just deemed him not worthy due to his behaviors and gave to Sen. He did not earn one from providence.
Sen doesn't have a Code S spot. How'd he earn it?
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On December 14 2011 22:13 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
■At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
■At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: ■Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.
■Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status.
■Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players.
■If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-programSo when did these rules change then?
Excludes providence. Kinda explains why there were no Code A invites as well?!
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On December 14 2011 22:13 Zzoram wrote:
Ceremonies are done after winning a game, and they are done for the fans. Fans LOVE ceremonies.
Fans do not love watching players not even try to play a game.
Right. They just love the drama afterwards. ;o
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On December 14 2011 22:12 Pwnographics wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:11 Vardant wrote:On December 14 2011 22:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 14 2011 22:08 nihlon wrote:This is straight from MLG's website. The rules state that the highest placing non-Code S player to place within the Top 3 at each Event earns a seat in the next Code S tournament. does not apply to providence. So why are there two distinct articles on the MLG website, that say otherwise? With the pedigree Naniwa displayed over the weekend, it's hard not to be excited about Naniwa's 2012 prospects in Code S and at Major League Gaming Events. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/top-5-stories-from-mlg-providence/In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascensionOpen your eyes, GOM is lying to you. How come there are no Code A invites son?
Are you kidding me? Why does that matter? They clearly gave him Code S for placing second. That's all you need to know.
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On December 14 2011 22:13 justinpal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:10 baoluvboa wrote:On December 14 2011 22:09 DanceOnCreep wrote:
Why is everyone Arguging with Korean Culture when the GSL trys so hard to be a international Tournament, GSL is nothing without the dedicated fans in the whole wide world. Back to Topic if this is the blizzard cup and not the gsl why u dont ban naniwa for future blizzard cups instead of taking his code s spot whats a different tournament? And where is the Punishment for the Korean "Pros" they are shitting disrespect and insults out of theyre mouths? Read other posts, Naniwa had no Code S spot. They just deemed him not worthy due to his behaviors and gave to Sen. He did not earn one from providence. Sen doesn't have a Code S spot. How'd he earn it?
Two seeds from GOM's choice
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Not gonna buy a pass this year i suppose.
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At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291
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On December 14 2011 22:10 anonymitylol wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:07 Generalul wrote:
I for one pay and expect to see real games happening not for wannabe's like Naniwa spitting in the face of everyone cause he is not "in the mood". I mean nobody would have messed with him if he did a 4gate, cannon rush, proxy gates, or stuff like that, EVERYTHING to show he had a desire to at least put up a fight. And this even wasn't a 12 drone rush or something that had at least a tiny chance of succeding. So yeah, he got what was coming to him, no need to defend him. You are a PRO player, ACT like one! So if you were there at a tournament to win $34,000, went 0-3 in the group stages and had to play another player who was 0-3 in the group stages, you'd put on a show for the fans? If you just lost the opportunity to win up to $34,000 playing video games, you'd want to KEEP playing that game? The match between Nani and Nestea was 100% insignificant and should have never been played.
What do you think marineking does? He does fun stuff for the fans when even MONEY is on the line. See his game against drewbie at MLG or his troll builds during the open brackets.
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"During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours"
Gom stepped over the boundaries by deciding that they have the right to determine what play is "offensive to opponents/audience" or not. If some underdog does a really stupid cheese against a favorite and takes himher out, I guess he should be removed from GSL for pissing people off.
If Gom thinks that they have the right to dictate how players play, I don't think I can support them anymore. Goodbye GSL, there are plenty of good tournaments to watch anyways.
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Well I don't know why it's suddenly seen that Naniwa didn't get the Code S spot. The entire world thought it was, and GOM had plenty of time to refute it which they didn't then. The MLG/GSL exchange was still in effect as far as I know ( 4 Koreans invited ), and by consideration, the Code S seed should still stand.
The key point is that they don't think he deserves it any more. I will agree with them on that. Sympathies to Naniwa on losing the Code S spot, but he sure did something that can't be overlooked easily.
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On December 14 2011 22:14 Vardant wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:12 Pwnographics wrote:On December 14 2011 22:11 Vardant wrote:On December 14 2011 22:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 14 2011 22:08 nihlon wrote:This is straight from MLG's website. The rules state that the highest placing non-Code S player to place within the Top 3 at each Event earns a seat in the next Code S tournament. does not apply to providence. So why are there two distinct articles on the MLG website, that say otherwise? With the pedigree Naniwa displayed over the weekend, it's hard not to be excited about Naniwa's 2012 prospects in Code S and at Major League Gaming Events. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/top-5-stories-from-mlg-providence/In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascensionOpen your eyes, GOM is lying to you. How come there are no Code A invites son? Are you kidding me? Why does that matter? They clearly gave him Code S for placing second. That's all you need to know.
It matters because there were no invites to begin with at all.
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Did GOM pay people to come in here and spread lies about no Code S At providence i've seen two accounts spreading rumor about this trying to downplay it.
Uninviting Naniwa from Code S is basically the same thing as revoking Code S Spot is it not?
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What a DRAMA! I like it! And GOM do it right... maybe it wasnt against any Rules but what da fuck i paid to see nice Matches and no Proberush....
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On December 14 2011 22:05 bikefrog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:59 harobi wrote:
its good to always have standard, nice job GOM. just ignore this "i won't buy next gsl ticket " or "i will never watch gsl again" haters gonna hate. Yes, ignore a significant economic loss, Einstein.
lol... significant?
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Well...
https://twitter.com/#!/CoLNaniwa
IdrA said everything....the main fault was the tournament format, like it or not. If even players that lost some games could regain a spot on the brackets someway like MLG then they'd play they fully potential. I'd never watch a game pointless as this last naniwa vs nestea. By the way i did not!
So, u wanna players and spectators to watch fully and get them both excited? Change the format to a format that makes sense to Esports, and not a joke 1 game only lol
GOM IS JUST LOL
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