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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Jellikit
Sweden258 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:06 Zzoram wrote: I hope so tooI hope since Naniwa is NOT banned that participates in the Code A qualifiers, smashes through to Code A, then keeps on going until he qualifies for Code S. Gomtv is being silly, its their format that made the game 100% insignificant to the players | ||
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pookadin
Australia422 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:14 Woizit wrote: Well I don't know why it's suddenly seen that Naniwa didn't get the Code S spot. The entire world thought it was, and GOM had plenty of time to refute it which they didn't then. The MLG/GSL exchange was still in effect as far as I know ( 4 Koreans invited ), and by consideration, the Code S seed should still stand. The key point is that they don't think he deserves it any more. I will agree with them on that. Sympathies to Naniwa on losing the Code S spot, but he sure did something that can't be overlooked easily. If I was GOM i wouldnt feel the need to apologise to you because you didnt understand that naniwa didnt get seeded. I didnt have any problems understanding this because I read the media relevant at the time, GOMTV does not have to explain itself to you or anyone else who didnt care to check their facts.. | ||
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Brett
Australia3822 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:12 bittman wrote: Guys, guys, guys calm down. Naniwa never had a Code S spot. Please, for the love of god, stop this thread! If he never had a code s spot, there was no need for an announcement to be made either via twitter or the stream of the blizzcup tonight that he was losing that spot. If you want to argue stupid semantics and say he was never 'awarded' the spot from his Providence performance, then be my guest. But the reality was that GOM, in light of that performance, with or without the exchange program being in force, had assigned a slot to Naniwa. And in a knee-jerk reaction they've removed him from that slot. Call it whatever you like, it is what it is. | ||
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Mycl
Australia1370 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:16 Sneakyz wrote: Isn't that because they were invited to up-and-down and not the actualy code A? :o Demu is one of those invites and he didn't attend providence so no | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:15 Xax wrote: Missed opportunity is not the same thing though. He didn't earn a Code S spot at Providence. Misunderstanding! That's bullshit. If he didn't them GOM was silently lying to us this whole time? That's weirdly...UNPROFESSIONAL. | ||
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DigitalisDestructi
United States488 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:09 drinkpepsi wrote: And yet the evidence has shown us that there is no punishment for Koreans who actually shirk the rules, let alone someone who does nothing wrong and decides to probe rush. Please, don't just make things up. Thanks. Byun? CoCa? Rain? Choya? While Byun and CoCa are technically punished by their teams, GomTV would've stepped in anyway if the matters went unresolved. | ||
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drinkpepsi
United States16 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:16 Greegs wrote: I actually had alot to say, but its been said, tho i feel its important for me to say that i was gonna buy a gom year pass, but because of this im simply not going to anymore. Better yet, the Western world should completely withdraw from GOM. Show them they can't arbitrarily ban our players by making them sink to the bottom of the sea. But it won't happen, sadly. | ||
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oban
Sweden18 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:10 Chickenlegs wrote: On behalf of swedish people I apologize for this one, I hope for all our sake that he is still young so we can rectify the mistakes and make him a normal human being. You don't have to apologize for me kid and I'm most likely older than 99% on this forum. I have to assume you think it's ok for Gom to use different standards depending on who they're dealing with then? As for the racial issue I've lived in SKorea and know what I'm talking about. Disgusting! | ||
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LunaSea
Luxembourg369 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:15 Rupyness wrote: Couldnt naniwa sue mlg since its basically breach of contract since he lost a code s seed that was as a result of an agreementbetween mlg and the players. Then mlg would have to tell the gsl they cant do that Interesting. He probably could yes. Althought I don't think this would be a good thing to do... :S | ||
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:14 Pwnographics wrote: It matters because there were no invites to begin with at all. What about Idra and Demuslim?, weren't they invited to Up/Downs? Huh? | ||
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Biane
Australia645 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:15 The_DarkAngelz wrote: Well... https://twitter.com/#!/CoLNaniwa IdrA said everything....the main fault was the tournament format, like it or not. If even players that lost some games could regain a spot on the brackets someway like MLG then they'd play they fully potential. I'd never watch a game pointless as this last naniwa vs nestea. By the way i did not! So, u wanna players and spectators to watch fully and get them both excited? Change the format to a format that makes sense to Esports, and not a joke 1 game only lol GOM IS JUST LOL I fell for it, dont fall for it too. thats a fake twitter. | ||
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ethos
Korea (South)26 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:12 kickinhead wrote: So, if a player more or less forfeits a game cuz it has absolutely no impact and because he is demoralized and a very emotional player you call it disrespectful, but if sm1 dances around another players booth after a loss and makes fun of him and humiliates him in public, you call it great entertainment? Thats just a cultural gap and different interpretations of actions, if you want to be fair about stuff like that, you'd have to very clearly define what "disrespectful" means, cuz what Nani did was in no way disrespectful towards anyone for me personally, but I get why Koreans are very upset about it if you take into account cultural differences and the way eSports is perceived in Korea. I personally think ceremonies are distasteful, but throwing a game is disrespectful however you want to color it. | ||
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JohnnyReverb
Switzerland132 Posts
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Occultus
Kenya138 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:16 Mycl wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 14 2011 22:15 Occultus wrote: So basically everyone is FORCED to be respectful? Thats my problem with the whole gg and manner-talk. Its not a sign of respect, youre demanded to to this otherwise: consequences. We dont need bowing-down-robots, we need individuals and naniwa is one aswell as idra. We need players to play the game first and foremost and Naniwa failed at the first hurdle Players are players and not the entertainment-machines organisations want them to be (to earn money) | ||
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zHarveLi
Belgium29 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:15 creepcolony wrote: What a joke from GOM.. I think theyre getting pissed someone doesnt take their super serious e-sports baby as serious as they do. I so wanted my GOM TV pass for next year. Now im not so sure anymore. This could have been handled much much better by GOM. A nice reaction would be that all foreigners leave korea and no korean is invited to any international tournament next year. Wont happen though. edit: everything under the assumption that naniwa didnt know what he did, and that GOM didnt even gave naniwa a chance to apologise. please don't speak, lmao | ||
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:17 Jellikit wrote: I hope so too Gomtv is being silly, its their format that made the game 100% insignificant to the players No man. In Korea every game is played to the fullest. Even if you aren't "trying your hardest" "at least you tried." We just forgot that GOM gets to determine what amount of effort a player has give in a game that has seriously no implications at all. | ||
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nekoconeco
Australia359 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:09 Deadeight wrote: Actually, I apologise. I think I've changed my mind a bit; if this had happened at Dreamhack everyone would just have lol'd and Day[9] would have made some great jokes and TotalBiscuit would probably have satirically cast it as a super exciting match or something. So I think you're kinda right on the culture thing. . Aww now I really want to see that Day[9] would have made it into an awesome spectacle. Can't believe people are taking this seriously anyway and to people putting words into the mouths of Koreans it is kind of disrespectful. I bet less than 0.001% of Koreans even care at all about that game. | ||
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Zane
Romania3916 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:12 Daray wrote: Thumbs up. Naniwa is one of those guys who doesn't take responsibility from his actions. Banned from EPS, no gg @ GSL, joke tournament @ MLG and there were others aswell. After all those indicidents one thing i would be thinking is that i can't fuck up again and do something stupid but no Naniwa doesn't think like this at all, he's still a child. True, someone had to do something about his behavior sooner or later. | ||
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Valashu
Netherlands561 Posts
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zanga
659 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:16 zHarveLi wrote: It makes me cringe to see that almost every single person trying to defend naniwa with rediculous arguments & even more rediculous & irrelevant replies are from Sweden.. anyways, this thread feels like it's going to keep on growing 'till a mod actually closes the thread. You obviously have no clue what youre talking about - start by reading more threads than 1-3 of them. Cheers On a side note: GomTv police state with Mr. Chae as its Overlord for the win? | ||
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