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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 22:09 drinkpepsi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:08 DigitalisDestructi wrote:
Can someone explain to me why some people are bringing up racism? What the hell? If it was a Korean, the punishment would've been way harsher, probably banned for 2-3 seasons and no entry allowed to other GomTV tournaments. All NaNiwa got was a denial of direct Code S spot; he can still participate in the Code A qualifiers if he wants to. And yet the evidence has shown us that there is no punishment for Koreans who actually shirk the rules, let alone someone who does nothing wrong and decides to probe rush. Please, don't just make things up. Thanks.
CoCa is not in code S. go find out why b4 you talk. ok
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On December 14 2011 21:51 Kontys wrote:
An ATHLETE was just robbed of money, face and his greatest career opportunity yet, by a completely arbitrary business decision by a corporate business manager.
Without this company and others alike that invest money in tournaments Naniwa would not have at all such career opportunities.
That is why he should respect them, as well as the other players and the spectators (who also invest money and sustain e-sports) and the team that he represents. He has to think of their interests also and stop acting like a selfish kid when taking decisions like that.
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On December 14 2011 22:08 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:06 ethos wrote:
What is so difficult about this.
Naniwa was disrespectful. Naniwa was sent to the corner.
You shouldn't be sad for Naniwa, you should be sad that it seems that esports has to raise other people's children.
You don't get on their stage and then in the middle of it decide not to play by their rules because your feelings are hurt, and then get away with it scot-free (this isn't even that big of a punishment, its only a month, unless I'm mistaken).
Gom has to be sure that the decisions that they make for the sake of the fans (format) are adhered to by the players that take their stage, even when you get the shitty end of the stick.
We all have to sacrifice sometimes.
Such is (adult) life.
Naniwa gets a free pass why? Because you like him? Naniwa won his spot like DRG and MMA did before him. What did Idra and Sen win to win claim that Code S spot?
No Code S seed at providence = no invite.
He was going to be invited due to strong performances, no doubt, but it was not in writing. Naniwa subsequently failed to live up to GOM's standards and was uninvited.
How can anyone expect them to invite him to their next tournament after he publicly shits on their previous one?
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On December 14 2011 22:04 brrip wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:57 hacky wrote:On December 14 2011 21:55 ImperialTea wrote:On December 14 2011 21:41 Ghanburighan wrote:On December 14 2011 21:36 boxturtle wrote:
Completely justified. If he can't show respect for the money fans paid to see these matches, in the format they were set out, he doesn't deserve his invited spot. I always stayed up late to watch GSL, but that will now change. The anti-GOM reactions have prompted me to show my support by buying a ticket.
This was a player's blatant disregard and complete flouting for the rules coming back to bite him in the butt. Nothing more, nothing less. It's also absurd that the format should be "bad" now, and no one pointed this out before. If someone had pointed this out, people probably would have found a justification for this format such as "hey these are the best players in the world and GOM's going to give us more matches, including the Naniwa v Nestea centerpiece."
The people using sports comparisons to support Nani are way off base. If you paid money for a season ticket and watched a game where a team sat down on the field because the match "didn't matter" would you think it was "funny?"
If anyone thinks that refusing to buy a GSL ticket because of this action alone will help them prove a point, they can try thinking about what would happen if they did nothing and showed that any match, any anticipated event, could be flouted by an angry player in a bad condition. Athletes don't do this, and if E-sports is going to be anything but a fetish-y footnote in the internet age section of a history book, actions like this are necessary.
I have a feeling that no one that's supporting Nani right now actually bought a ticket.
I hope Mr. Chae reads this (I know he has posted on these forums before) and understands that some people support him, with our wallets as well as our words. Great first post!  I agree with the sentiment, in fact, there are very few forum veterans that seem to be posting in favour of Nani, and that's probably because people that actually compete in tournaments know they themselves wouldn't act like Naniwa did. I completely agree with this post, as well as those saying that it's completely unprofessional. Footballers who sit down and don't play actually have something to complain about, Naniwa didn't. Also agreeing. Too much nonsense in this thread as is. Need to highlight the better argument. agree with the post, the agreement, the next agreement and the one after that
I agree with this as well, and disagreeing with sports comparisons made. I think it is more comparable to players intentionally getting red cards/technical fouls to get the game canceled, instead of playing 2nd stringers.
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On December 14 2011 22:07 oban wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:53 shadymmj wrote:On December 14 2011 21:50 oban wrote:
Way too harsh of a punishment. GOM really are amateurs in every way possible and not worthy of hosting internatoinal tournaments. They fucked over Stephano last time when MC seemed to play to have DRG move to the next round. Wouldn't surprise me at all if the issue is racism. yes swedish genius disqualify a misbehaving white dude and invite another white dude to play totally racist I've seen people misbehaving plenty of times in the GSL. Not to mention Idra forfeiting games, but apparently it's fine when Americans and Koreans do it, probably due to their partnership with MLG. Idra even put Zenio in the same group as MC and laughed about it afterwards. And he gets invited back into code S? Do you call that sportsmanship? Gom is a joke organization. I'm sure racism is a big part of their decisions in the last few days.
Guessed you were a Swede before I checked your country. I'm 4/5 this morning.
It's really nice to say GOMTV is being racist when they gathered as many talented foreigners as possible, and also recently gave Idra a sponsorship seed.
You're making your own people look racist. Why would GOM dislike Swedes? Naniwa is the only one there with your filthy thought patterns. Sase is doing fine and has continued to be welcome.
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On December 14 2011 22:08 Umilard wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:54 zanga wrote:
*Ban MC from all the (seemingly FUNNY, previously that is) things he's done. Including Thumbs down, Dancing outside the booth, Waving his finger at the camera.. and many more.
*Ban Bomber for having such a BM game against MC in some MLG (dont remember which). Putting down tons of command centers in the middle of the map, doing an "orange" with 10+ CC Scans and dropping mules so many times over.
*Ban NesTea since in the Blizzcon finals he so obviously threw his game away and was just trolling around.
*Ban Coca for match-fixing. He didnt get disqualified as far as I know - he simply left the spot because of decisions in their team. I can assume GOM would've cared, but so far had theyve said anything?
..more examples? Could also ban Hero for going nexus first against MC in a pointless PvP since it's the same thing as naniwa did.. But that would be silly, yeah?
Read crazy comment, see country of origin is Sweden. *facepalm*
Hero's Nexus first in the PvP vs MC wasn't pointless on that map. He was 0-1 at that point, certainly not out. And he wasn't the only player who Nexus first on that map. I believe Sangho (Killer) did the same thing and won. It seems to be an actual winning strat in PvP on that map anyway.
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On December 14 2011 22:06 ethos wrote:
What is so difficult about this.
Naniwa was disrespectful. Naniwa was sent to the corner.
You shouldn't be sad for Naniwa, you should be sad that it seems that esports has to raise other people's children.
You don't get on their stage and then in the middle of it decide not to play by their rules because your feelings are hurt, and then get away with it scot-free (this isn't even that big of a punishment, its only a month, unless I'm mistaken).
Gom has to be sure that the decisions that they make for the sake of the fans (format) are adhered to by the players that take their stage, even when you get the shitty end of the stick.
We all have to sacrifice sometimes.
Such is (adult) life.
Naniwa gets a free pass why? Because you like him?
Thumbs up.
Naniwa is one of those guys who doesn't take responsibility from his actions. Banned from EPS, no gg @ GSL, joke tournament @ MLG and there were others aswell. After all those indicidents one thing i would be thinking is that i can't fuck up again and do something stupid but no Naniwa doesn't think like this at all, he's still a child.
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yes please more stupid examples, u simple-minded douchebag
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o.o? Right.... That sure was a well thought out answer.
Why does GOMTV withhold all the vital information all the time? There is no clear explanation how international tournament seeding works.
Is Mr. Chae just making upp things as he goes along..?
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On December 14 2011 22:11 Vardant wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 14 2011 22:08 nihlon wrote:This is straight from MLG's website. The rules state that the highest placing non-Code S player to place within the Top 3 at each Event earns a seat in the next Code S tournament. does not apply to providence. So why are there two distinct articles on the MLG website, that say otherwise? Show nested quote +With the pedigree Naniwa displayed over the weekend, it's hard not to be excited about Naniwa's 2012 prospects in Code S and at Major League Gaming Events. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/top-5-stories-from-mlg-providence/Show nested quote +In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascensionOpen your eyes, GOM is lying to you.
How come there are no Code A invites son?
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Guys, guys, guys calm down.
Naniwa never had a Code S spot.
Please, for the love of god, stop this thread!
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I don't think Naniwa deserved to be revoked, he fought for that position and it's he's right to be on the GSL. but anyway life goes on
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On December 14 2011 22:10 careohx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:05 zHarveLi wrote:
nani fully deserved his punishment. Rules are rules, no matter how good you are, if you can't abide to them, you should get booted right out of the competition. The problem is he didnt break any rules. Is there a rule against probe rushing?
Yes. GOMTV might revoke if they consider you to be not a PRO! gamer. Also about disrespecting opponents.
But I think you think with your heart rather than with your brain.
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On December 14 2011 22:07 waNNabeGUY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:54 zanga wrote:
*Ban MC from all the (seemingly FUNNY, previously that is) things he's done. Including Thumbs down, Dancing outside the booth, Waving his finger at the camera.. and many more.
*Ban Bomber for having such a BM game against MC in some MLG (dont remember which). Putting down tons of command centers in the middle of the map, doing an "orange" with 10+ CC Scans and dropping mules so many times over.
*Ban NesTea since in the Blizzcon finals he so obviously threw his game away and was just trolling around.
*Ban Coca for match-fixing. He didnt get disqualified as far as I know - he simply left the spot because of decisions in their team. I can assume GOM would've cared, but so far had theyve said anything?
..more examples? yes please more stupid examples, u simple-minded douchebag the fact is what NaNiwa did was wrong and he was punished ... but stupid fanboys (who are as wierd as NaNiwa) will always find excuses for his childish behaviour
What naniwa did was not wrong, it was not against any rules. Gom had a stupid bracket system and when someone takes advantage of that they punish that player for their own mistakes.
Something else that people are not talking about is that Naniwa had no one to talk to about this. Tyler said it on SoTG: Nazgul would tell us to know it is a fucked up situation but to play it out and we could discuss it with the league afterwards. Naniwa had no one to talk to he had no one to consult. He did what he did and it was not wrong, it was not right and he should most certainly not be punished for it.
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On December 14 2011 22:06 ethos wrote:
What is so difficult about this.
Naniwa was disrespectful. Naniwa was sent to the corner.
You shouldn't be sad for Naniwa, you should be sad that it seems that esports has to raise other people's children.
You don't get on their stage and then in the middle of it decide not to play by their rules because your feelings are hurt, and then get away with it scot-free (this isn't even that big of a punishment, its only a month, unless I'm mistaken).
Gom has to be sure that the decisions that they make for the sake of the fans (format) are adhered to by the players that take their stage, even when you get the shitty end of the stick.
We all have to sacrifice sometimes.
Such is (adult) life.
Naniwa gets a free pass why? Because you like him?
So, if a player more or less forfeits a game cuz it has absolutely no impact and because he is demoralized and a very emotional player you call it disrespectful, but if sm1 dances around another players booth after a loss and makes fun of him and humiliates him in public, you call it great entertainment?
Thats just a cultural gap and different interpretations of actions, if you want to be fair about stuff like that, you'd have to very clearly define what "disrespectful" means, cuz what Nani did was in no way disrespectful towards anyone for me personally, but I get why Koreans are very upset about it if you take into account cultural differences and the way eSports is perceived in Korea.
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Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
■At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
■At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: ■Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.
■Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status.
■Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players.
■If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-program
So when did these rules change then?
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Ceremonies are done after winning a game, and they are done for the fans. Fans LOVE ceremonies.
Fans do not love watching players not even try to play a game.
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This is great news. People need to realize that there is more to professional gaming than efficiency and wins. There is still entertainment to be had in games that appear meaningless, and it's an insult to the viewers, sponsors, organizers and anyone else who invested in the event to display manners such as Naniwa has done.
I'm not exactly happy about what happened; despite not liking Naniwa, there's nothing good about seeing someone's dreams shattered. But maybe this time he'll finally learn that skill does not endlessly compensate for bad manners and lake of professionalism.
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On December 14 2011 22:11 trucane wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:06 ethos wrote:
What is so difficult about this.
Naniwa was disrespectful. Naniwa was sent to the corner.
You shouldn't be sad for Naniwa, you should be sad that it seems that esports has to raise other people's children.
You don't get on their stage and then in the middle of it decide not to play by their rules because your feelings are hurt, and then get away with it scot-free (this isn't even that big of a punishment, its only a month, unless I'm mistaken).
Gom has to be sure that the decisions that they make for the sake of the fans (format) are adhered to by the players that take their stage, even when you get the shitty end of the stick.
We all have to sacrifice sometimes.
Such is (adult) life.
Naniwa gets a free pass why? Because you like him? Because it is so adult to slander a player calling him a amateur money hunter when you are no better yourself inviting two players purely based on their fanbase and not on their achievments. Yes GOM is really professional
guess you don't realise how big Sen & idra really are like.. Yes, the selection was biased, but wasn't based on their fanbase.
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On December 14 2011 22:12 Pwnographics wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:11 LunaSea wrote:
- Ban MC for the BM ceremonie at MLG with Idra Cause GOM runs MLG right son?
Obviously not "son", but if GOM dictates their own rules so should MLG then.
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I just get sick from seeing that nobody ever cares about the players. Is just like in some sports the guy has just lost a chance do win 2 million dollars in an exhausting, close final game and then he has to do an INTERVIEW. Must I say that the interviews are shit? They are.
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