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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.

Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned!
- Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM
- Comparing people to Hitler
- Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum.
zanga
Profile Joined September 2011
659 Posts
December 14 2011 12:15 GMT
#2101
2 days ago I bought the most expensive year long season ticket, but now I will try to get my money back.

Fuck this, seriously........
(:
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
December 14 2011 12:16 GMT
#2102
lolwat
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
PopcornColonel
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
December 14 2011 12:16 GMT
#2103
I don't usually use strong language, but this is a COMPLETE fucking joke. I once considered buying GSL, but now hell no. Not even a consideration.
Zerg delenda est.
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
December 14 2011 12:16 GMT
#2104
But how can anybody think that the punishment fitted the crime sorta speak? Naniwa acted childish but seeing as it was a pointless game and that he could have done that in 50 other way that would have been just as worthless for GOMTV and the viewers, how can they punish him so freaking hard?

And seeing as how many others who have ignored games and done offensive stuff without punishment it gets even wors.
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
December 14 2011 12:16 GMT
#2105
On December 14 2011 21:11 baoluvboa wrote:

"Naniwa played a game yesterday that is not professional. I have heard that he threw away the game because it doesn't benefit himself. I want to lecture him. Pro-gamer as an occupation is not a job where you just play games between other pro players. Corporations sponsor us because the existence of fans make e-sports a product that we are trying to create. But I believe the behaviour from Naniwa yesterday was such a behaviour that betrayed and looked down on the fans. I hope he thinks about what he did and do not play a game like that again."

From MC


MC is pretty much spot on. He cares about his fans, his job and has RESPECT for other people. I hope NaNi will learn from his mistakes, he will earn his respect back if he trains hard, acts respectful towards GOM and works his way through Code A again.
styleworks79
Profile Joined May 2011
United States127 Posts
December 14 2011 12:16 GMT
#2106
Lack of professionalism. We don't ever see Payton Manning throw intentional interception cuz his team is losing or
any other pro-sport figure giving up just cuz he or his team is losing. For those of you that are trying to defend Naniwa, grow some ballz. He only got 1 season ban, really, big Fxxxin deal.
Ares[S2000] West Op AresClan 난 요환이가 한번은 우승할거라고 믿어!
bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
December 14 2011 12:16 GMT
#2107
On December 14 2011 21:13 Pwnographics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:11 bigjenk wrote:
On December 14 2011 21:07 dormer wrote:
On December 14 2011 21:05 Mouzone wrote:
My theory: GOM were holding a grudge against Naniwa for some reason (I guess it's kinda easy to do that since Naniwa isn't always a very likeable individual) - they saw an opportunity to "get rid of him" - and boom. To say the least, Naniwa doesn't really fit in on the whole asian honor, pride and respect ideals, I believe he was considered a player unpredictable and out of control which is a nightmare for any control freak corporations.

Now that I think of it, it's likely this "grudge" stems from the whole Nestea ordeal during MLG seeing as Nestea is their korean sweetie and all. No way the punishment would be the same for someone who otherwise comes off as respectful and likeable. Naniwa just got stabbed in the back.


I don't know, Huk tweeted that if it were a Korean they'd probably have been perma banned and kicked out of their team house, etc. Don't know if that's true since it's all hypothetical, and I don't think a Korean would have done it to begin with, but eh.


Huk also admitted to throwing his mlg match a while back so it is hypocritical.


Because Gom runs MLG right?


Not the point I was making. Huk berating him for it is plainly stupid and he clearly thinks he is above him having thrown games mattering.
Ignore my opinions I am bad
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
December 14 2011 12:16 GMT
#2108
On December 14 2011 20:39 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:35 ander wrote:
Yeah man, i agree with GOM, lets revoke Code-S status to players who use silly strategies in games and fall back on our incredibly vague rulebook that can be interpreted infinitely; especially if you aren't in tune with Korean culture despite the moniker "Global Starcraft League"

In my eyes GSL is no more. It's obviously GomTV Korean Starcraft League so KSL which just happens to be top level SC2 league.

What a joke.

KSL name is already taken (it even starts in 45minutes).... Nice try.
Widz
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden75 Posts
December 14 2011 12:16 GMT
#2109
Thats freaking retarded. I will never give GOM any more of my money anyway.

Joemeatballs
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada26 Posts
December 14 2011 12:17 GMT
#2110
good, naniwa loses every time hes in GSL, so this will hopefully get a better player in CodeS in his place.
JupiterJazz
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany92 Posts
December 14 2011 12:17 GMT
#2111
uhm sorry for my lack of knowledge in advance. i read approx. 15pages in this and 10in the other thread about this topic but i cant find the clip or the thing naniwa did?! what happened? maybe update op.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
December 14 2011 12:17 GMT
#2112
On December 14 2011 21:14 ptrpb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:12 MooMooMugi wrote:
On December 14 2011 21:08 ptrpb wrote:
On December 14 2011 21:06 MooMooMugi wrote:
On December 14 2011 21:02 ptrpb wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:59 MooMooMugi wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:52 ptrpb wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:49 MooMooMugi wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:46 ptrpb wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:45 MooMooMugi wrote:
[quote]
0% against 6 pool.

Given any skill level?
Yeah, no.

Given if you're opponent is either Bronze or has no pulse, NesTea is neither

Alright let's bring the BlizzCon finals into this. NesTea creates a ton of broodlords and nothing else when MVP has mass ghosts, many vikings, and marines. Zero percent chance of winning that engagement, should NesTea be reprimanded?
If you argue "well it's not the GSL" then there goes the argument for "professionalizing eSports" because there will be no set standard.

Well thats a entirely different thing. For that match it meant the difference between 1st and 2nd place and almost twice the price money for first. You cant compare that match with the one Naniwa played against NesTea which was a consolation match.

Also that game was strange by itself. Who knew what NesTea was thinking? Maybe he thought he units somewhere on the map but they were killed? There was no real proof that NesTea threw the game unlike Naniwa who stated clearly he threw the game on his Twitter.

Prize money doesn't matter. According to professionalism you're supposed to be trying your hardest in every match regardless of reward. That's what makes it comparable.
Like I said in another post, pros have said that a bronze leaguer could make a better choice in that point of time when it comes to making the broodlords, it's the same decision making as Naniwa deciding to worker rush. The only difference is that Naniwa explicitly stated that he threw the game, if he said "well I thought it would work" there would be no argument against him when compared to NesTea's throw at Blizzcon

Theres a difference between going into a game with a mindset of losing and also commiting to a strategy that will lose for sure than making a brain-fart decision mistake late-game(which may or may not have happened or plainly NesTea thought he was going to lose anyway).

They're both results of bad decision making.
NaNiwa made a bad decision to worker rush as a strategy
NesTea made a bad decision to make a ton of broodlords and nothing else when the opponent all the counters to the unit

There is something to be said about entering the game with a losing mindset, but you wouldn't know it was there unless NaNiwa told you "I intended to lose that game".

From Naniwa's twitter:

"people are so mad i probe rushed nestea in a pointless game. it couldnt change anything in the tournament"

"neither of us had anything at stake and wouldnt play our best. sorry fans that expected more"

Naniwa choosing to probe rush was a bad decision? lol

I've already stated that NaNiwa has said that he did it on purpose.
I'm saying that if he didn't, there would be nothing to punish him on.
My whole argument is based on if NaNiwa said "well I thought it would work".
I thought we covered this...

In your last post it sounded like you were saying that we would never know if he was fully intending to lose the game or not.

Your whole argument has been invalid because Naniwa is a good enough player to know a probe rush will never EVER work, and even if he said "I thought it could work" he was being sarcastic
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Vari
Profile Joined September 2010
United States532 Posts
December 14 2011 12:17 GMT
#2113
On December 14 2011 21:14 ReboundEU wrote:
Good thing i didn't buy the GSL season ticket....i will never support competitions that take childish and racist decisions based on personal grudges and to please certain players (like nestea). No fairness..no honor...no respect...just insults.

If i want to watch the best of the best i will wait for MLG...not GSL. I evaded the bigest waste of money i could have possibly made. They won...they wanted a "korean wonderland" and they got it. Good luck with your viewer database.

hahaha, again with the racism when naniwa's spot is replaced by a foreigner.

what an idiot you are

they wanted a korean wonderland so they gave idra the spot. WOW
Stroke Me Lady Fame
Iloja
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany29 Posts
December 14 2011 12:17 GMT
#2114
When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

I think the punishment is harsh, too. But regarding the overall behaviour of Naniwa I'd say: He worked hard for it.

I'm sure GOMTV took a hard long look at Naniwa's history before issuing the penalty and I'm pretty sure a professional (as in "attitude towards the game and broadcasted matches" and not "get's paid to do it") player like, say Sheth or Idra, wouldn't have recived such a harsh punishment.

Naniwa willingly displays this attitude which in itself is fine, it is, after all, his decision. Now he has to accept the consequences of this decision.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 14 2011 12:17 GMT
#2115
On December 14 2011 21:14 ReboundEU wrote:
Good thing i didn't buy the GSL season ticket....i will never support competitions that take childish and racist decisions based on personal grudges and to please certain players (like nestea). No fairness..no honor...no respect...just insults.

If i want to watch the best of the best i will wait for MLG...not GSL. I evaded the bigest waste of money i could have possibly made. They won...they wanted a "korean wonderland" and they got it. Good luck with your viewer database.


You're kidding right?

This isn't racist at all. Any player who did that would've been punished.
jyisvip
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada209 Posts
December 14 2011 12:17 GMT
#2116
On December 14 2011 21:14 ReboundEU wrote:
Good thing i didn't buy the GSL season ticket....i will never support competitions that take childish and racist decisions based on personal grudges and to please certain players (like nestea). No fairness..no honor...no respect...just insults.

If i want to watch the best of the best i will wait for MLG...not GSL. I evaded the bigest waste of money i could have possibly made. They won...they wanted a "korean wonderland" and they got it. Good luck with your viewer database.


I like how naniwa was the one who had no honor no respect and insulting everyone behind the tournament
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51709 Posts
December 14 2011 12:17 GMT
#2117
well deserved.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
December 14 2011 12:17 GMT
#2118
feel sorry for nani, he earned that spot and one mistake cost him all that work, harsh on gom's part, their format sucked, won't be buying a season pass when take spots away from players who earned it and give them to players who didn't
sodapop
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden189 Posts
December 14 2011 12:17 GMT
#2119
The argument that Naniwa gets paid to play the game and therefore should play out the match needs to be shut down. Naniwa is surely employed by his team, not GomTV/GSL. If he is employed by GomTV, then the whole tournament is a farce.
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
December 14 2011 12:17 GMT
#2120
wow outrageous... Just heard the news and am in complete shock. I think Naniwa shouldn't have done what he did but this is way way way WAY too far.. like 999x taking it too far imo. : (
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