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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.

Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned!
- Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM
- Comparing people to Hitler
- Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum.
nevercomingback
Profile Joined December 2011
11 Posts
December 14 2011 12:17 GMT
#2121
"During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours"

if im a player and lets say bomber lands mules during battles and i feel offended, does that mean bomber is banned?

if im a player and lets say MC taunts or gives me a thumbs down and i feel offended, does that mean MC is banned?

what a joke.
shangul
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland27 Posts
December 14 2011 12:17 GMT
#2122
This makes me sad. It's good for e-sports if there is heathy competition. And his Thumbs down clearly was in a playful manner. I give Gom TV and Korean crybabies the thumbs down, you don't know what sports is. You mite as well ban everybody who doesn't GG. And why not kick them right of battle net. It's all in the eye of the beholder in my opinion.

MandoRelease
Profile Joined October 2010
France374 Posts
December 14 2011 12:17 GMT
#2123
Good decision by GomTV.
Players can't exactly be allowed to do whatever they want. And the punishment could be much worse, naniwa now has more time to practice and work on his attitude as a whole.
It's nice to see Tournaments with standards.
When you play the game of drones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground. Huge IMLosirA fan.
ander
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada403 Posts
December 14 2011 12:17 GMT
#2124
On December 14 2011 21:13 kslghost wrote:
The problem isn't him using a cheesy strategy. He took his hands off the keyboard, leaned his face into his hand like he didn't care, and basically trivialized the game.

I can't honestly believe people believe this is "bad for e-sports." You guys are absolute jokes.

Naniwa's actions were not funny. They weren't light-hearted. If they were, he would have shown it to be light-hearted. He just had the most "I don't give a shit about anyone but myself" attitude about it.

I want to see foreigners do well. HuK gets it. Even IDRA gets it. Naniwa needs to get it. Respect for your opponent by giving effort is a big deal.


Yeah. People with differing opinions are "jokes". You insulted a lot of people; this thread has over 100 pages in a little over an hour. Maybe you should have your forum privileges revoked.

It's not like naniwa was being fucking malicious about it like you make it seem.
careohx
Profile Joined June 2011
263 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 12:18:54
December 14 2011 12:18 GMT
#2125
Not only this but i also question giving free code S spots for popular players without them having to qualify. At least Naniwa did qualify. He didnt cheat or use any exploit. Korea needs to realize that SC2 is not only theirs like SC1 was and is now a global phenomenon. Things like these do not fly.
Ace.Xile
Profile Joined June 2011
United States286 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 12:19:48
December 14 2011 12:18 GMT
#2126
On December 14 2011 21:14 Vari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:13 Ace.Xile wrote:
On December 14 2011 21:11 baoluvboa wrote:

"Naniwa played a game yesterday that is not professional. I have heard that he threw away the game because it doesn't benefit himself. I want to lecture him. Pro-gamer as an occupation is not a job where you just play games between other pro players. Corporations sponsor us because the existence of fans make e-sports a product that we are trying to create. But I believe the behaviour from Naniwa yesterday was such a behaviour that betrayed and looked down on the fans. I hope he thinks about what he did and do not play a game like that again."

From MC


I think it's funny that pro-gamers advocate giving up competition in order for entertainment, as if pro gamers are entertainers who just happen to be competitors..

where does it say anything about giving up competition?


Because to essentially cater to fans is anti competition. In the light of a competition where your competition has ended, and you still have a game left, you have one of two options, you either just forfeit the game like naniwa did, or you attempt to entertain fans by creating some sort of fake competitive image, which in itself just makes a mockery of real competition. If your a pro gamer the goal should be to worry about competition, not create games where you try to act like there's something on the line when there isn't. I just think it's utterly silly to bring in pro gamers to a competition, and then once it's effectively over expect them to be forced to play a fake competitive game or be banned. The only argument you could make against naniwa is that he's a dick for not just playing a fun game for his fans, but he didn't sign up for the competition to play fun games, he signed up to compete and once the competition was over he pretty much just didn't see the point in faking it.
zanga
Profile Joined September 2011
659 Posts
December 14 2011 12:18 GMT
#2127
On December 14 2011 21:17 YoiChiBow wrote:
wow outrageous... Just heard the news and am in complete shock. I think Naniwa shouldn't have done what he did but this is way way way WAY too far.. like 999x taking it too far imo. : (


Indeed.
(:
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
December 14 2011 12:18 GMT
#2128
On December 14 2011 21:11 Stoffelhase wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:06 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
On December 14 2011 21:04 Vardant wrote:
On December 14 2011 21:03 Adamcakez wrote:
Good make an example of him. It was a disgrace what he did. Many top players couldve had that spot. IdrA's backkkk <3

Then they should have won a tournament, that guaranteed them a spot.

Or you know, come second from an EXTREMELY advantageous seeded position...

or you know, become 2nd from an extremely good seed because of an extremely good run in a former gsl where he went from open bracket to the finals without dropping any game! noone else achieved this so far.. but well, this discussion isnt about how good of a player naniwa is (i dont think he is in the top10 of the world), but this decission is just wrong! he earned his spot


Extremely good run in a former mlg with no Korean players.
RedEyeJedi
Profile Joined December 2011
6 Posts
December 14 2011 12:18 GMT
#2129
On December 14 2011 21:15 zanga wrote:
2 days ago I bought the most expensive year long season ticket, but now I will try to get my money back.

Fuck this, seriously........


haha for some reason this cracked me up. I hope you get your money back.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
December 14 2011 12:18 GMT
#2130
A rule is a rule, if it says so in there rulebook then it's simple. I see no reason for 5000 posts.
shangul
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland27 Posts
December 14 2011 12:18 GMT
#2131
On December 14 2011 21:17 nevercomingback wrote:
"During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours"

if im a player and lets say bomber lands mules during battles and i feel offended, does that mean bomber is banned?

if im a player and lets say MC taunts or gives me a thumbs down and i feel offended, does that mean MC is banned?

what a joke.



So true.
Goldmattress
Profile Joined May 2011
Iceland23 Posts
December 14 2011 12:19 GMT
#2132
On December 14 2011 21:14 ih8Australia wrote:
Naniwa could of won that probe rush.. assuming he had perfect micro and move probes with no shields away and somehow gets it recharged before attacking agian.. it could of been a viable strat.. lol


No just no that is not a valid argument.
what
Akta
Profile Joined February 2011
447 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 12:19:37
December 14 2011 12:19 GMT
#2133
They probably lost subscriptions for banning naniwa but they most likely gain way more subs by getting Idra and Sen in than they lost by dropping nani anyway.
Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 12:21:02
December 14 2011 12:19 GMT
#2134
Its really crazy how people respond to this. Naniwa spitted in the face of the fans and nestea, and he actually deserves a lifetime GSL ban. His behaviour OVERALL is just not acceptable. Why is this so hard to understand? If you want sponsors to take esports SERIOUSLY, then this kind of behaviour has to be punnished.
Vari
Profile Joined September 2010
United States532 Posts
December 14 2011 12:19 GMT
#2135
On December 14 2011 21:17 nevercomingback wrote:
"During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours"

if im a player and lets say bomber lands mules during battles and i feel offended, does that mean bomber is banned?

if im a player and lets say MC taunts or gives me a thumbs down and i feel offended, does that mean MC is banned?

what a joke.

no see rules sometimes have to be interpreted on a case by case basis

it's weird you can't understand that but luckily we are here to explain

actions done to tilt opponents in the spirit of winning further games is not even close to the same as throwing a game in the face of your opponent as well as the tournament runners and the viewers.
Stroke Me Lady Fame
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
December 14 2011 12:19 GMT
#2136
Ok that's it. No more GSL for me. Been a faithful customer since the start but this is just retarded and I feel I have to make a statement.

If GSL wants to be international they need to stop with forcing that silly Korean honor and political correctness upon foreign players, let Naniwa be Naniwa please.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
faylayen
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands62 Posts
December 14 2011 12:19 GMT
#2137
All these 'I wont watch/Buy a ticket/Want a refund" post make me laugh.

zanga
Profile Joined September 2011
659 Posts
December 14 2011 12:19 GMT
#2138
On December 14 2011 21:17 nevercomingback wrote:
"During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours"

if im a player and lets say bomber lands mules during battles and i feel offended, does that mean bomber is banned?

if im a player and lets say MC taunts or gives me a thumbs down and i feel offended, does that mean MC is banned?

what a joke.


Good point... but he's korean so its fine right?
(:
JeremyVH
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14 Posts
December 14 2011 12:19 GMT
#2139
Look at Monday Night Football as an example. The Seahawks against the Rams. Not a lot worth playing for there. But they still played out the entire 2-3 hour game, not the 20 minute Starcraft 2 match. It has everything to do with being a professional and nothing to do with the format.
Where your curly moustache at
StUfF
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1437 Posts
December 14 2011 12:19 GMT
#2140
I can't really imagine a lesser punishment that would mean much to Naniwa at all.

A monetary fine is the only alternative I can think of but it would be hard to enforce and might even be harsher for Naniwa - that could mean he would need to leave Korea if he didn't have enough financial support from the team. Having his Code S invite revoked for one season is almost the weakest thing they could have done. A single season isn't not even two months?
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