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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.

Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned!
- Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM
- Comparing people to Hitler
- Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum.
MasterBlasterCaster
Profile Joined October 2011
United States568 Posts
December 14 2011 12:20 GMT
#2141
On December 14 2011 21:18 Lysanias wrote:
A rule is a rule, if it says so in there rulebook then it's simple. I see no reason for 5000 posts.

It doesn't say so in the rule book. They basically made some shit up and used that because they knew half of the people would blindly accept it because their favorite little whiny pros did.
-y0shi-
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany994 Posts
December 14 2011 12:20 GMT
#2142
On December 14 2011 21:16 WArped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:11 baoluvboa wrote:

"Naniwa played a game yesterday that is not professional. I have heard that he threw away the game because it doesn't benefit himself. I want to lecture him. Pro-gamer as an occupation is not a job where you just play games between other pro players. Corporations sponsor us because the existence of fans make e-sports a product that we are trying to create. But I believe the behaviour from Naniwa yesterday was such a behaviour that betrayed and looked down on the fans. I hope he thinks about what he did and do not play a game like that again."

From MC


MC is pretty much spot on. He cares about his fans, his job and has RESPECT for other people. I hope NaNi will learn from his mistakes, he will earn his respect back if he trains hard, acts respectful towards GOM and works his way through Code A again.


Mc is completly off...

" I have heard that he threw away the game because it doesn't benefit himself"

Thats just not true.. Did you read the interviews etc?? Nani didnt want to play because he felt like he couldnt give his all and show his best match and didnt want to do some half asses games just because he has to.

Soo sad for nani >.<
lrofd
Profile Joined April 2011
United States187 Posts
December 14 2011 12:20 GMT
#2143
On December 14 2011 21:07 -vVvTitan- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:39 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:
Yeah it's pretty disgusting...

But the people who are glad that it happened are just plain pathetic.


I hope you get warned for your ignorance. Naniwa brought shame on the foreign scene as a whole with his decision. Am I alone in feeling embarrassed as a foreigner?


no. right clicking a drone with all ur probes...not what i wanted to see when i was cheering for naniwa
bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
December 14 2011 12:20 GMT
#2144
On December 14 2011 21:17 nevercomingback wrote:
"During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours"

if im a player and lets say bomber lands mules during battles and i feel offended, does that mean bomber is banned?

if im a player and lets say MC taunts or gives me a thumbs down and i feel offended, does that mean MC is banned?

what a joke.


Wait so idra had a legit beef all along with being insulted by terrans and their abusive play?
Ignore my opinions I am bad
zanmat0
Profile Joined December 2010
188 Posts
December 14 2011 12:20 GMT
#2145
On December 14 2011 21:15 w1nter wrote:
And those who chose "not to watch gsl any longer" well... lol.


Wow, you sure told us!
Horp
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden164 Posts
December 14 2011 12:20 GMT
#2146
On December 14 2011 21:13 Vari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:11 Nick3 wrote:
I guess that GOM just lost a lot of viewers! Stupid decisions from both nani and GOM.

I imagine they lost a couple

but anyone who was going to buy gsl wasn't doing it to watch naniwa. a couple of days of no good starcraft will have people coming back if they actually care about seeing high quality play.


The problem is, you can't build a viewer sport business on only people that care about seeing high quality play. You think everyone watching soccer or hockey care about high quality play? Nah, they want to see their team/country fight it out, and probably have a brew.

If GOM and Starcraft 2 is gonna get big, they gonna have to stop with these nonsensical posh decisions, and start thinking about what the majority of the viewers want.
Xalorian
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada433 Posts
December 14 2011 12:20 GMT
#2147
Wow, that's seriously way too harsh.

It's a shame that Naniwa did that in the first place... and it's their tournaments, they can do what they want, and I know that... but seriously, for a single offense, revoking is seed, using THAT rule that have nothing to do about it?
DrGreen
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland708 Posts
December 14 2011 12:21 GMT
#2148
On December 14 2011 21:17 nevercomingback wrote:
"During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours"

if im a player and lets say bomber lands mules during battles and i feel offended, does that mean bomber is banned?

if im a player and lets say MC taunts or gives me a thumbs down and i feel offended, does that mean MC is banned?

what a joke.


this. Also ban dancing/cheering with marines and multiscanning.
trucane
Profile Joined January 2009
United States553 Posts
December 14 2011 12:21 GMT
#2149
Oh and the irony in GOM even using the word "amateur" when they were the ones who stored passwords in plain text documents having thousends of users worry about their credit card information.
thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
December 14 2011 12:21 GMT
#2150
On December 14 2011 21:18 Lysanias wrote:
A rule is a rule, if it says so in there rulebook then it's simple. I see no reason for 5000 posts.


yeah, read the rule first

Warning or disqualification
- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours
Nadarath
Profile Joined July 2011
98 Posts
December 14 2011 12:21 GMT
#2151
On December 14 2011 21:14 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:09 Keidy wrote:
This is so wrong

The argument that the korean culture is like this is fine, if they are living by their own rules.
But how can they do this to Nani saying his behaviour was unproffessional, when GSL themselves are beeing soooooo fucking unproffessional when they call him "amateur money hunter"

So much for the korean culter.

Terrible decision, and I have no respect for GSL/Korea atm




Oh. Flaming an entire country and culture for the actions taken by one company. Thats going to make you look like the true "proffessional" here.

NaniWa was invited to the Blizzard Cup, and was paid to play and provide games. He didn't do so and spat in the face of the fans as a result. Did anyone read the LR after it happened?

Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 21:06 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
No respect to viewers, producers, casters and anyone else involved in making this tournament a success.

If there were betting lines out of these matches it's absolutely unacceptable regarding that as well. I doubt Naniwa researched that so it's morally the same decision.




I dont know if you just didnt watch Blizzard Cup or you are jus chosing to ignore the fact that Naniwa did play really good 3 matches that he lost
Why 99% of people ignore that fact and just keep shitting on Naniwa for stupid and pointless game against Nestea ?
I could even bet if that game was vs lets say Polt - no one would say anything about this. Its just this stupid shit that some people build around Nestea some sort of zealous religion. Nestea is just another player of many out there. Deal with that fact and stop treating him like holly cow.
nailujk
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada27 Posts
December 14 2011 12:21 GMT
#2152
On December 14 2011 21:13 nimdil wrote:
Can you show me the rules, please. Because if it is written in the rules than I admit I'm wrong. But I checked a rules of tournament page and there is nothing about it.

And yes. It is their culture and their country and their company and their tournament. But if they pretend to be "global" that mean that they should step up and stand above their culture to truly represent global SC2 community and pro players. A decision based "because we are in south korea and we are koreans" mean that they failed to do so.

Also calling it Korean Star League is not an insult. It just points out where - in my opinion - problem is located. It's not an insult and in fact Korean Starcraft League would still be superior to any other. But it will show us - non-koreans - that we are outsiders, both as spectators and players (obviously I'm the former, not the latter).


Are you aware that by saying that they should stand above their culture to be global, you are implying that their culture is somehow below the rest of the world?
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
December 14 2011 12:21 GMT
#2153
On December 14 2011 21:20 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:18 Lysanias wrote:
A rule is a rule, if it says so in there rulebook then it's simple. I see no reason for 5000 posts.

It doesn't say so in the rule book. They basically made some shit up and used that because they knew half of the people would blindly accept it because their favorite little whiny pros did.


Did you read all the GomTV rules then ?
loladin
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway184 Posts
December 14 2011 12:21 GMT
#2154
Completely disgraceful move by GOM.

They never should have forced the player to play matchest that doesn't matter in the first place, it's like forcing someone to play the third game in a best of 3 when they've already lost the first two.
When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea.
Mojar
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia185 Posts
December 14 2011 12:21 GMT
#2155
On December 14 2011 21:18 careohx wrote:
Not only this but i also question giving free code S spots for popular players without them having to qualify. At least Naniwa did qualify. He didnt cheat or use any exploit. Korea needs to realize that SC2 is not only theirs like SC1 was and is now a global phenomenon. Things like these do not fly.


Except it does fly. Naniwa got what he deserved. He was unprofessional and disrespectful. Punishment is completely justified.
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
December 14 2011 12:21 GMT
#2156
On December 14 2011 21:18 careohx wrote:
Not only this but i also question giving free code S spots for popular players without them having to qualify. At least Naniwa did qualify. He didnt cheat or use any exploit. Korea needs to realize that SC2 is not only theirs like SC1 was and is now a global phenomenon. Things like these do not fly.


WTF is going on here??? Why Idra and Sen will get Code S spots in GSL for free and Naniwa has been revoked his spot??? THIS IS NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Idra and Sen hasn't qualified for Code S at all... Naniwa did... WHAT!?!?!?!
ander
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada403 Posts
December 14 2011 12:21 GMT
#2157
On December 14 2011 21:14 baoluvboa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:12 ander wrote:
On December 14 2011 21:09 deth wrote:
i honestly dont know why so many people are trying to defend naniwa.

GSL is a business, naniwa is paid to play the tournament and is expected to act like a professional sportsman, especially important if he is to be playing professionally in korea.

People pay to watch GSL, the maps and games were determined beforehand. Even if the game was pointless, so many people wanted to see Naniwa vs Nestea as its just a great matchup, especially with the rivalry. Then naniwa throws it and disappoints everyone who paid for the season pass, despite nani getting guaranteed prize money from the tourney.

At the very least you owe it to your fans to play the game, even if you have no motivation for doing so. Everyone arguing otherwise needs to shove away their internet pitchforks and think about it from GSL's point of view.


Few people are defending naniwa; most are upset with GSL's ridiculous, ambiguous, and over the top reaction.



ridiculous - was in their rule
ambiguous - correct in term of their rules but historical analogies set by brood war time and past incidents have established a pretty clear definite of what proper conducts are for progamers.
over the top - same as ridiculous


Point #1 - Link me please, to the rule that says "worker rushing is suspendable."

Point #2 - basically the definition of ambiguous. That's completely open to interpretation, which is what makes it a stupid rule.

Point #3 - wp.
jyisvip
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada209 Posts
December 14 2011 12:21 GMT
#2158
On December 14 2011 21:19 Zandar wrote:
Ok that's it. No more GSL for me. Been a faithful customer since the start but this is just retarded and I feel I have to make a statement.

If GSL wants to be international they need to stop with forcing that silly Korean honor and political correctness upon foreign players, let Naniwa be Naniwa please.


This isn't "Korean honor". It's called sportsmanship I'm sure you agree because you are a faithful customer to the e-sports and you want it to grow.
djfoxmccloud
Profile Joined July 2011
France185 Posts
December 14 2011 12:21 GMT
#2159
i hope nani goes to each gsl matches from now on with a sign saying "yes i probe rushed, and i fk you gom"
Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
December 14 2011 12:21 GMT
#2160
Well, Naniwa had it coming for outrageous bad sportsmanship like that. Consequences...I respect GOM for their decision
Starcraft's BW glory days have passed, RIP Jaedong's dominance - 2013...EDIT 2017: WE BACK BOYS
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