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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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GeNeSiDe
United Kingdom354 Posts
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NGrNecris
New Zealand855 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:11 labbe wrote: I cannot even begin do describe my disappointment with gom for doing this. It rubs me the wrong way for SO many different reasons. And I'm not even going to go into the whole "Was Naniwa right or wrong" debate. 1. The punishment is WAY to harsh. He earned that Code S spot fair and square. Sure, take a away his price money from the Blizzard Cup and give him a warning, but Code S is a totally different event, and should not be affected by this. 2. To make the GSL even more of a farce, they just randomly invites Sen to Code S? What has he done to deserve that? I did not realize that professional Starcraft was a popularity contest, but as of late it sure seems like it is. What about all the players in Korea working their asses off dreaming to play in Code S, and Gom just randomly gives people free invites to foreigner on a whim. At least have the decency to hold some sort of qualifier to that Code S spot if you necessarily have to go and ban people. 3. The "rule" that they are referring to that Naniwa supposedly broke, if the most vague thing I have ever seen, and could be used for banning any player, at any time, should Gom feel like it. This is not a professional way to go about things. If you are going to punish someone, at least give a good fucking reason to do so. Sigh. I don't want to rant any more, but I just thought that GomTV would be more professional than this. They had the perfect opportunity to take the high road, and show everyone that they don't care about pointless drama, but instead they chose to abuse their power and take it down to a lower level than I even thought possible. Good job making professional starcraft a farce. 2. Gom said Sen was chosen because he placed 3rd at Blizzcon. To me, this just seems so random how they decided this. I think the reason for this was because Gom only took a short amount of time to make the decision to revoke Naniwa's spot which is extremely stupid given how important this situation is. Not to mention how they used some vague rule to decide this. | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:19 Snowbear wrote: Its really crazy how people respond to this. Naniwa spitted in the face of the fans and nestea, and he actually deserves a lifetime GSL ban. His behaviour OVERALL is just not acceptable. Why is this so hard to understand? If you want sponsors to take esports SERIOUSLY, then this kind of behaviour has to be punnished. Didn't see any spit son, I just saw a useless game making me have a good laugh. | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:18 Ace.Xile wrote: Because to essentially cater to fans is anti competition. In the light of a competition where your competition has ended, and you still have a game left, you have one of two options, you either just forfeit the game like naniwa did, or you attempt to entertain fans by creating some sort of fake competitive image, which in itself just makes a mockery of real competition. If your a pro gamer the goal should be to worry about competition, not create games where you try to act like there's something on the line when there isn't. I just think it's utterly silly to bring in pro gamers to a competition, and then once it's effectively over expect them to be forced to play a fake competitive game or be banned. The only argument you could make against naniwa is that he's a dick for not just playing a fun game for his fans, but he didn't sign up for the competition to play fun games, he signed up to compete and once the competition was over he pretty much just didn't see the point in faking it. how the fuck is the game itself not a competition just because you can't win the tournament? "fake competitive image"... so suddenly players can't simply want to prove they are better than other players? Pride is on the line! victory is on the line! you shouldn't have to fake a desire to win when there is an audience watching you. especially against one of the best players in the world, especially in korea on tv when you've been invited by blizzard. | ||
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colate
Norway121 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:11 labbe wrote: I cannot even begin do describe my disappointment with gom for doing this. It rubs me the wrong way for SO many different reasons. And I'm not even going to go into the whole "Was Naniwa right or wrong" debate. 1. The punishment is WAY to harsh. He earned that Code S spot fair and square. Sure, take a away his price money from the Blizzard Cup and give him a warning, but Code S is a totally different event, and should not be affected by this. 2. To make the GSL even more of a farce, they just randomly invites Sen to Code S? What has he done to deserve that? I did not realize that professional Starcraft was a popularity contest, but as of late it sure seems like it is. What about all the players in Korea working their asses off dreaming to play in Code S, and Gom just randomly gives people free invites to foreigner on a whim. At least have the decency to hold some sort of qualifier to that Code S spot if you necessarily have to go and ban people. 3. The "rule" that they are referring to that Naniwa supposedly broke, if the most vague thing I have ever seen, and could be used for banning any player, at any time, should Gom feel like it. This is not a professional way to go about things. If you are going to punish someone, at least give a good fucking reason to do so. Sigh. I don't want to rant any more, but I just thought that GomTV would be more professional than this. They had the perfect opportunity to take the high road, and show everyone that they don't care about pointless drama, but instead they chose to abuse their power and take it down to a lower level than I even thought possible. Good job making professional starcraft a farce. 1. Different tournaments, same tournament organisers - same rules applies and they have they rights to punish a player in both tournaments. 2. He wasn't randomly invited. He was invited because of his GSL Open Season 1 results, if I am not mistaken. Not only koreans work their asses of to play in code S. There are even fewer oppertunities for foreigners to play in GSL than it is for koreans. 3. Yeah, their decision is vague, but they are the one to interpret their own rules. They are setting a certain standard of professionalism. Wheather or not this will affect how foreigners or koreans act at GSL afflicted tournaments | ||
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kslghost
246 Posts
Maybe the fans need to hold their "high and mighty" gamer of choice to higher standards than a rat choosing which garbage to eat. Don't you want to have your favorite player to be the one that respects the game, competition, audience, sponsors, and even culture? | ||
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dolvlo
United States99 Posts
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CEPEHDREI
Germany1521 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:20 Horp wrote: Nah, they want to see their team/country fight it out, and probably have a brew.. and thats what naniwa didnt do. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:20 -y0shi- wrote: Mc is completly off... " I have heard that he threw away the game because it doesn't benefit himself" Thats just not true.. Did you read the interviews etc?? Nani didnt want to play because he felt like he couldnt give his all and show his best match and didnt want to do some half asses games just because he has to. Soo sad for nani >.< What a sad excuse. THINK ABOUT IT. You think he really cared about the viewers and showing a good game when he did a probe rush? So instead of showing us a bad game, he showed us shit wrapped up in a sack lit on fire aged in a dead whale. | ||
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Seraphic
United States3849 Posts
This event is a crap shoot for SC2 basically because Naniwa not only represent Sweden, he basically represents the World and the Foreign community. Regardless of what Naniwa believes he had done, it was not right. You cannot tell me it wasn't just because the game was meaningless, especially what he represents and where he is playing @ (in Korea.) Now I do believe GomTV sort of over stepped in there punishment. They will lose viewers regardless of there decision. You shouldn't call a person/player what they had called him. That wasn't right, I don't agree with that they said, but a punishment was called for. I don't know really, this is just... a bad situation over all. It would be better if Naniwa basically admitted to the wrongs he had done but some how I don't see that happening. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:18 careohx wrote: Not only this but i also question giving free code S spots for popular players without them having to qualify. At least Naniwa did qualify. He didnt cheat or use any exploit. Korea needs to realize that SC2 is not only theirs like SC1 was and is now a global phenomenon. Things like these do not fly. Fans need to realize its a Korean Product, the GSL. Even if foreigners can play in it, its their league. They run it and talk to sponsors. As mentioned before, a Korean would have suffered a way harsher penalty than that. | ||
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Stoffelhase
Germany162 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:17 nevercomingback wrote: "During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours" if im a player and lets say bomber lands mules during battles and i feel offended, does that mean bomber is banned? if im a player and lets say MC taunts or gives me a thumbs down and i feel offended, does that mean MC is banned? what a joke. or even worse.. what if bomber then loses his game (this happened in an mlg game).. will he get banned from code S then, because he threw away a won game because of offending behaviours? he wasnt punished.. and for the future: what will happen if idra leaves a game he has a big lead in (as the hallu voids game vs huk or the game vs mma), will he be banned then? answer is: no question is: why? | ||
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Taeng
37 Posts
On December 14 2011 18:40 Tatari wrote: I can't say I'm glad for this, but you could say Naniwa had this coming. People pay to watch pro-gamers play to their best and fullest potential, not for some bronze level worker rush cheese. A pro-gamer job is to win. Whats the point in playing a meaningless game. | ||
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clownzim
Brazil267 Posts
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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Realev
9 Posts
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:21 nailujk wrote: Are you aware that by saying that they should stand above their culture to be global, you are implying that their culture is somehow below the rest of the world? I'm definitely implying that certain aspects of their culture are inferior, absolutely. If it is a part of your culture that you have to give lip service to people who KNOW that it is lip service... that is fucked up. That is ONLY because you are on a power trip and you get off on making other people jump through hoops for you. | ||
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DrGreen
Poland708 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:20 Horp wrote: The problem is, you can't build a viewer sport business on only people that care about seeing high quality play. You think everyone watching soccer or hockey care about high quality play? Nah, they want to see their team/country fight it out, and probably have a brew. If GOM and Starcraft 2 is gonna get big, they gonna have to stop with these nonsensical posh decisions, and start thinking about what the majority of the viewers want. Only a quarter of foreigner viewers is thinking that it was unacceptable behavior from Naniwa. Maybe more koreans, because they're naturally xenophobic and anti-foreigner. | ||
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Resilient
United Kingdom1431 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:22 kslghost wrote: All these whiny kids crying while all the pro gamers respect the decision and look down on Naniwa's decision. Maybe the fans need to hold their "high and mighty" gamer of choice to higher standards than a rat choosing which garbage to eat. Don't you want to have your favorite player to be the one that respects the game, competition, audience, sponsors, and even culture? There's a reason IdrA is massively more popular than any SC2 player in the world. And it's far from exclusively because he's a great player. | ||
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Bondance
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To people who are comparing it to IM sending out their "b-team" in the team league, it's not the same at all. If you insist on comparing it to other sports teams; then yes teams send out their second string when the outcome of a match doesn't matter, but that's go give those players more experience and to give your "a-team" time to rest for the matches that do matter. And the fact is that whether they expect their players to win or not, they're still playing. If naniwa wants to play in a professional league then he should comport himself as a professional, not throw a tantrum and refuse to participate in a game that didn't matter to him. I'm glad GOM took the actions that it did. A lot of naniwa's fanboys seem to be QQing about Korean culture, but I'm not Korean and I still found his behavior repugnant. | ||
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