EPTRules that are so vague gom could literally ban at least half of the players in the gsl.
NaNiwa not invited to Code S - Page 111
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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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bigjenk
United States1543 Posts
Rules that are so vague gom could literally ban at least half of the players in the gsl. | ||
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Sanchonator
Australia490 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:24 trucane wrote: Especially considering how amateur GOM is proven by the hacking incident and the plain text non encrypted sensitive information. i believe you are mixing the GOM incident with the PSN incident ? | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:21 ander wrote: Point #1 - Link me please, to the rule that says "worker rushing is suspendable." Point #2 - basically the definition of ambiguous. That's completely open to interpretation, which is what makes it a stupid rule. Point #3 - wp. There's a rule since the beginning of GSL that says if GOM decides you are not fit to be a gamer, you can not participate in GSL. It's not tournament specific. | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:24 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: Why the FUCK DO THEY HAVE TO? because they agreed to it when they agreed to the tourney they were paid to play it and have some sense of self respect | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:23 eYeball wrote: I don't know but that line with calling Naniwa a "amateur prize money hunter" really felt like below the belt from Mr.Chae. I don't get it such a huge double standard from gomtv than they go and give two other foreigners Code S Spots for Free... this doesn't feel right at all. I like IdrA and Sen and think they can do good in Code S but this isn't how its supposed to work and Naniwa deserves his Code S Spot he didn't really do anything wrong he had 3 Stressful games and didn't want to play the last one obviously (Especially since it had no bearing on his placement) | ||
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Pwnographics
New Zealand1097 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:24 zanga wrote: *Ban MC from all the (seemingly FUNNY, previously that is) things he's done. Including Thumbs down, Dancing outside the booth, Waving his finger at the camera.. and many more. *Ban Bomber for having such a BM game against MC in some MLG (dont remember which). Putting down tons of command centers in the middle of the map, doing an "orange" with 10+ CC Scans and dropping mules so many times over. *Ban NesTea since in the Blizzcon finals he so obviously threw his game away and was just trolling around. Is that also "HONOUR"? Wtf Never watching GOMTV again. Did they get complaints from the viewership? No. Did Naniwa get complaints? Fuck yes. | ||
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BigKahunaBurger
Australia334 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:21 Nadarath wrote: I dont know if you just didnt watch Blizzard Cup or you are jus chosing to ignore the fact that Naniwa did play really good 3 matches that he lost Why 99% of people ignore that fact and just keep shitting on Naniwa for stupid and pointless game against Nestea ? I could even bet if that game was vs lets say Polt - no one would say anything about this. Its just this stupid shit that some people build around Nestea some sort of zealous religion. Nestea is just another player of many out there. Deal with that fact and stop treating him like holly cow. It has nothing to do with him vs Nestea at all. Stop extrapolating. It could have been Naniwa vs. TheBest and it still would have been an issue. NaniWa just gave up when he realised there was nothing in it for him anymore and royally screwed over paying customers. | ||
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Mycl
Australia1370 Posts
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Nadarath
98 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:22 mTw|NarutO wrote: Fans need to realize its a Korean Product, the GSL. Even if foreigners can play in it, its their league. They run it and talk to sponsors. As mentioned before, a Korean would have suffered a way harsher penalty than that. Yeah that whole situation made me open my eyes. That's why im not gona give any more support to GOM. Since it is Korean product that benefit only Korean viewers and just does not care about anyone more. Im not Korean so bye bye GSL. | ||
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iGX
Australia414 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:22 dolvlo wrote: HAHAHAHA What a joke. Fuck you GOMtv, I'm done with you. I will never purchase another thing from you again, I will never watch another tournament run by you again. I sincerely hope you lose your license to broadcast exclusively in Korea. with your childish attitude and decision to stop following GSL, GOM really isn't at a loss. | ||
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lrofd
United States187 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:21 ander wrote: Point #1 - Link me please, to the rule that says "worker rushing is suspendable." Point #2 - basically the definition of ambiguous. That's completely open to interpretation, which is what makes it a stupid rule. Point #3 - wp. open to interprettion and the only interpretation that matters is GOM. gom want to show good games, i want to see good games...it all works. if you wanted any less, then stop watching GOM. i promise you it doesn't bother me one bit | ||
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trucane
United States553 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:25 StUfF wrote: GomTV is a private company, without knowing if there was a contract between Naniwa and GomTV and the details of that contract, GomTV can do whatever the fuck they want. Ignoring rules and technicalities, I think what GomTV did was ethically right and I support their decision. If you look at it from a business perspective, you have to understand Korea is still their biggest audience and easiest way to monetise. Without Korean support GomTV would die very quickly. Again I don't have the facts and numbers but I trust GomTV to know their bottom line. I support their decision 100%. You do realize that the majority of the viewers is foreign right? BW is still without doubt bigger than SC2 in korea and without the foreigners there would be no GSL. | ||
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ander
Canada403 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:23 Vari wrote: being open to the interpretation of people running a competition doesn't make a rule stupid. worker rushing in and of itself isn't enough to get you suspended. Actually, yes it does. Ambiguity in rules is exactly what you want to avoid, both in sport and in law. Otherwise this shit happens, with 100 pages of outraged fans. If working rushing isn't enough to get you suspended, then please explain why there is a suspension. | ||
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crawlingchaos
Canada2025 Posts
I'm glad to see some accountability at the very least; it's good to know that even progamers can't pick and choose which responsibilities they comply with and which they avoid at their jobs. No other profession allows you to neglect your duties when you just don't feel like doing it for whatever reason or don't agree with what your superiors are telling you and it shouldn't be tolerated here. It's harsh, but it's a reality check for Naniwa (and evidently a lot of nerds here as well o.O). I don't think it was a fair move to either player, but it's seriously just one fucking game, he should have resigned himself to his fate and just accepted it like Nestea did and played it out. It's his job and he should have just dealt with it. He's not some magical diva who transcends the work order, that's life. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
GomTV Rule:GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer. | ||
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:24 Pwnographics wrote: GomTV got complaints that were by no means able to be ignored, they didn't suspend him just cause they felt like it. For everyone saying, herpity derpity I won't buy a pass for - for every one of you there are two people going well done GOM. lol So if a huge crowd believes something should be done, they should just do it. Who cares, they might actually be a minority, that is just really vocal. Who cares about the rules, let's just piss on integrity and do whatever the emails demand. | ||
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Ace.Xile
United States286 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:22 Vari wrote: how the fuck is the game itself not a competition just because you can't win the tournament? "fake competitive image"... so suddenly players can't simply want to prove they are better than other players? Pride is on the line! victory is on the line! you shouldn't have to fake a desire to win when there is an audience watching you. especially against one of the best players in the world, especially in korea on tv when you've been invited by blizzard. Naniwas pretty up front about his motivations, the only thing he wants to do is win tournaments.The game isn't a competition really because there was nothing on the line other than a single win at the end of an entire season it means very little in the grand scheme, especially when naniwa obviously didn't see it as a competition, if he doesn't view it as there something to get by winnning it doesn't matter. I mean sure you could say HEY HE SHOULDA DONE IT FOR HIS PRIDE, but the game didn't mean jack. The only reason to even get mad at him was that he didn't play the game for fun.. and as naniwa has said time and time again he's there for the tournament wins, once his journey was over he didn't care. People shouldnt expect pro-gamers to come to tournaments expecting them to be competitors and entertainers, especially when the player will outright tell you that he's there to compete not to just make games look pretty. | ||
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trucane
United States553 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:25 Sanchonator wrote: i believe you are mixing the GOM incident with the PSN incident ? I am not but PSN did indeed also get hacked. | ||
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pookadin
Australia422 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:24 trucane wrote: Especially considering how amateur GOM is proven by the hacking incident and the plain text non encrypted sensitive information. Work in a firm that provides webhosting, you will find that most developers make these mistakes. I'm not talking about small time guys either, large ISPs and provides like sony.. Anything thats made by humans can be broken by humans.. I'm sure you are just mad and insulting anything about GOM without reason though. | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:15 mTw|NarutO wrote: Naniwa played a game yesterday that is not professional. I have heard that he threw away the game because it doesn't benefit himself. I want to lecture him. Pro-gamer as an occupation is not a job where you just play games between other pro players. Corporations sponsor us because the existence of fans make e-sports a product that we are trying to create. But I believe the behaviour from Naniwa yesterday was such a behaviour that betrayed and looked down on the fans. I hope he thinks about what he did and do not play a game like that again. -MC illr memeber that when MC is prancing around the stage like a ballerina.. that could cause offence to some people right? Especially after a victory. Oh wait thats fine though in GSL pantomine circus. | ||
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