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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Iyerbeth
England2410 Posts
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:10 Itsmedudeman wrote: Oh man, I love the "something against naniwa argument". People seriously have no clue. If this was a korean they would have been banned from GSL for life and possibly from pro gaming. And that is supposed to be a vote of confidence? "If this was a Korean player, they would go beyond being ridiculous and be fucking straight up evil!" | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:10 Pwnographics wrote: If a Korean did what Naniwa did he probably would have been perma banned from the GSL as well as kicked out of his team. Gom's reaction can hardly be called an over reaction. Actually some koreans have done worse in the past and they haven't been banned for life at all. Not that it would matter much tho, the GOM decision is still crap. | ||
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Baz
United Kingdom289 Posts
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Pwnographics
New Zealand1097 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:11 bigjenk wrote: Huk also admitted to throwing his mlg match a while back so it is hypocritical. Because Gom runs MLG right? | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:11 Nick3 wrote: I guess that GOM just lost a lot of viewers! Stupid decisions from both nani and GOM. I imagine they lost a couple but anyone who was going to buy gsl wasn't doing it to watch naniwa. a couple of days of no good starcraft will have people coming back if they actually care about seeing high quality play. | ||
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ColtraneL
France248 Posts
Even though the game had no importance (for Naniwa, Nestea was eager to win it properly actually), Naniwa still made a mistake and the Koreans reacted the way they would have been for anybody in Korea. And honestly, Naniwa never won a game in GSL and he proved once again in Blizzcup that he wasn't a code S caliber player from what I saw. He only got this spot because MLG was disgustingly easier for seeded players than the others (Naniwa wouldn't even have come out of the Open Bracket if he had been in the Ganzi/Keen/Puzzle/Oz part). You can lose with a game with terrible play because you don't have the heart to play it, but just throwing everything like that (basically it's the same thing than just leaving directly) wasn't exactly a nice way to come out of this tournament. But whatever, you all can stop watching GSL, but keep in mind Naniwa would probably have been knocked out in the first round. | ||
nimdil
Poland3764 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:59 Vari wrote: but it is in the rules and it is also their culture. in their country and their company and their tournament. calling it the korean star league as an insult is ridiculous and does make it seem like you're accusing them of racism. Can you show me the rules, please. Because if it is written in the rules than I admit I'm wrong. But I checked a rules of tournament page and there is nothing about it. And yes. It is their culture and their country and their company and their tournament. But if they pretend to be "global" that mean that they should step up and stand above their culture to truly represent global SC2 community and pro players. A decision based "because we are in south korea and we are koreans" mean that they failed to do so. Also calling it Korean Star League is not an insult. It just points out where - in my opinion - problem is located. It's not an insult and in fact Korean Starcraft League would still be superior to any other. But it will show us - non-koreans - that we are outsiders, both as spectators and players (obviously I'm the former, not the latter). | ||
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:10 Vandalman wrote: So you think that he would still get "paid the play" if no one watched e-sports? That's not the point I'm trying to make. It's the entitlement of some you, that he owes you anything. He doesn't. He gave you three games, that mattered. He tried his best. You're just focusing on one stupid thing, that shouldn't have happened in the first place. | ||
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
He's in the StarTale house now right? I bet they are not happy with him, at all. He may have some big problems from here on. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:10 Itsmedudeman wrote: Oh man, I love the "something against naniwa argument". People seriously have no clue. If this was a korean they would have been banned from GSL for life and possibly from pro gaming. For life? Choya played rock, papper, scissor with progamers. Coca let ByuN win because he already had Code S spot so ByuN could advice, given he didnt had Code A spot. They all got banned except CoCa who gave up his Code S because of SlayerS. I don't think he would had been banned for life for throwing a meaningless match, or showmatch rather if you want to call it that way. Even though we have seen strange strategies, I have seen some guy drone rush people on EU ladder like WhiteRa and Grubby for example and winning. | ||
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tSxWorld
France59 Posts
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Ace.Xile
United States286 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:11 baoluvboa wrote: "Naniwa played a game yesterday that is not professional. I have heard that he threw away the game because it doesn't benefit himself. I want to lecture him. Pro-gamer as an occupation is not a job where you just play games between other pro players. Corporations sponsor us because the existence of fans make e-sports a product that we are trying to create. But I believe the behaviour from Naniwa yesterday was such a behaviour that betrayed and looked down on the fans. I hope he thinks about what he did and do not play a game like that again." From MC I think it's funny that pro-gamers advocate giving up competition in order for entertainment, as if pro gamers are entertainers who just happen to be competitors.. | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:12 Salteador Neo wrote: Actually some koreans have done worse in the past and they haven't been banned for life at all. Not that it would matter much tho, the GOM decision is still crap. koreans have worker rushed and announced that they threw the game at gom? | ||
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kslghost
246 Posts
I can't honestly believe people believe this is "bad for e-sports." You guys are absolute jokes. Naniwa's actions were not funny. They weren't light-hearted. If they were, he would have shown it to be light-hearted. He just had the most "I don't give a shit about anyone but myself" attitude about it. I want to see foreigners do well. HuK gets it. Even IDRA gets it. Naniwa needs to get it. Respect for your opponent by giving effort is a big deal. | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:12 MooMooMugi wrote: From Naniwa's twitter: "people are so mad i probe rushed nestea in a pointless game. it couldnt change anything in the tournament" "neither of us had anything at stake and wouldnt play our best. sorry fans that expected more" Naniwa choosing to probe rush was a bad decision? lol I've already stated that NaNiwa has said that he did it on purpose. I'm saying that if he didn't, there would be nothing to punish him on. My whole argument is based on if NaNiwa said "well I thought it would work". I thought we covered this... | ||
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ILoveAustralia
Bangladesh104 Posts
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b0rt_
Norway931 Posts
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DrGreen
Poland708 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:05 TheExile19 wrote: 1 base play = worker rush people. you fuckin' heard it here, because 1 base play also has a zero win rate just like worker rushing so it's an amazing analogy. Its not about win rate, its about OFFENSE. BitByBit was a fucking insult to thousands of viewers. | ||
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zanga
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