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Hagg
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden27 Posts
December 14 2011 10:38 GMT
#341
On December 14 2011 19:34 baoluvboa wrote:
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On December 14 2011 19:33 Hagg wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:28 Lakai wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:22 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
He kinda put Gom in a hard position. Punish Naniwa, foreign fans get butthurt. Don't punish him, Koreans get butthurt. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Not if they properly justified their decision, then no one has an actual reason to complain. Booting a player for the integrity of the competition and then fathering in two players without proper qualification is probably the dumbest thing GOM could have done.


This.
I can understand them wanting to point out that what Naniwa did was wrong, but this feels very! personal and unprofessional.


What Naniwa did was personally motivated and unprofessional.
Korean culture is different from western values.


Yes, I'm not denying that, but the way they handled this was not "korean culture", it was a quick and personal punishment without proper justification that even included a personal attack, when the situation was far from clear.
Youth is wasted on the young
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
December 14 2011 10:38 GMT
#342
On December 14 2011 19:32 TheWonderbread wrote:
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On December 14 2011 19:21 chenchen wrote:
It's pretty disappointing how grossly nationalistic Swedish people are. I'd honestly expect such a "developed" and "liberal" country to be a little less narrow minded. The same people who refuse to buy GSL tickets because Naniwa, who happens to be Swedish, got kicked out, would probably rally and buy GSL tickets the moment Sase or Jinro gets to play in Code A.

Just think about what would happen to a Korean progamer that did what Naniwa did . . . the team would probably kick him out to disassociate themselves with someone so disrespectful.


Insulting the Swedish people as a whole is a great way to further the discussion.

Also if Naniwa was a Korean progamer then he would have been raised in the Korean culture most likely and he'd be well aware of the cultural issues that got him here in the first place.


Meh, it's generally seen as bad to be patriotic in Sweden, EXCEPT when it comes to sports.

And wellfare. And bashing America. But yeah, sports. Swedes are pretty nationalistic about sports.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
vjee32
Profile Joined April 2011
Finland3 Posts
December 14 2011 10:39 GMT
#343
On December 14 2011 19:35 bluQ wrote:
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On December 14 2011 19:32 vjee32 wrote:
All you babies crying that punishment is too harsh and nani did nothing AGAINST THE RULES.

Name any other professional league in any sport where trying to lose as fast as possible is not punishable?

Nani didn't broke any rules. GOM just bends their wishy-washy-you-can-interpret-it-as-you-want rules to have a basis to punish nani. If you relaly think it was against the rules why did it took them so long to figure that out?


He lost a game on purpose in a professional sport.

You tell me how that's not against the rules? (And to make this easier you can name any other sport where this is acceptable.)
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
December 14 2011 10:39 GMT
#344
On December 14 2011 19:36 bbm wrote:
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On December 14 2011 19:33 vtbarrera wrote:
Given Korean culture I'm not surprised. Everyone talking about boycotting Gom is liar because you know they'll tune in to watch IdrA battle it out in Code-S.

Pretty muich this. As much as I'd like to protest about naniwa's treatment by boycotting GSL, I want to watch GSL.

Heh same. I know they're sure as shit not (directly) getting my money though. Was gonna buy the big super pass thing but not anymore.
Taeng
Profile Joined September 2011
37 Posts
December 14 2011 10:39 GMT
#345
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours
Abusive behaviour? No.
Offended the opponent/ audience? Nope (paranoid fans maybe)

Im sure Naniwa and Nestea were already feeling down being eliminated.
And playing a meaningless game after that.
tribulator
Profile Joined February 2011
774 Posts
December 14 2011 10:39 GMT
#346
Lesson learned by programers: Next time you're in a meaningless match, be extremely disingenuous to everyone and pretend you give a fuck and aren't in a shitty mood because you completely fucked up.

Remember, you're TV stars, not athletes with real emotions. Channel your inner actor.
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
December 14 2011 10:39 GMT
#347
On December 14 2011 19:36 iky43210 wrote:
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On December 14 2011 19:35 bluQ wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:32 vjee32 wrote:
All you babies crying that punishment is too harsh and nani did nothing AGAINST THE RULES.

Name any other professional league in any sport where trying to lose as fast as possible is not punishable?

Nani didn't broke any rules. GOM just bends their wishy-washy-you-can-interpret-it-as-you-want rules to have a basis to punish nani. If you relaly think it was against the rules why did it took them so long to figure that out?


wat

If I break a rule for example: chatting during a broadcasted game. Im pretty sure they would punish you within the next hour.
If I don't break any rule and they first need to sit together to discuss which rule they could apply, because there isnt any exact rule on that, then they will need 24+ hours to elaborate a bended-rule.
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Philipd122
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia776 Posts
December 14 2011 10:39 GMT
#348
Good decision GOM.

Don't get swayed by the boycotters, they'll all return eventually when they realise there is no better sc2 league than the GSL.
Oz | Leenock | GuMiho | Lucky | MC | PartinG | DRG | Mvp
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
December 14 2011 10:39 GMT
#349
So... NaNiwa earned his Spot, and he gets revoked for what? Oh right, throwing a game away, like people do to avoid teamkills just in shitty 20 minute games. Players that haven't earned their seeds through tournament placings or anything, but SPONSORS = Sen + IdrA in Code S. AWESOME! + Show Spoiler +
fuck no.
Artosis : Clide. idrA : Shut up.
hjop
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands10 Posts
December 14 2011 10:39 GMT
#350
On December 14 2011 19:04 billz wrote:
If this was any other sport then lawyers would be consulted right now about lodging legal proceedings against Gom. Pretty scandalous behaviour from them - can you really imagine Manchester United getting banned from a tournament for fielding a weakened team in a game that doesn't matter?


Great comparison, except a 6 probe rush has a ZERO % chance of winning at all, where as a WEAKENED Manchester United team always has a chance of winning AND they are giving lesser experienced players an opportunity to get some experience.

I think you'd be better off comparing it to Manchester United not showing up at all, because then they'd have a ZERO % chance of winning.

Such an out of place comparison. Naniwa could have just proxy 2 gated, cannon rushed or 4 gated.
iglocska
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway589 Posts
December 14 2011 10:40 GMT
#351
On December 14 2011 19:27 ptrpb wrote:
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On December 14 2011 19:20 iglocska wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:19 ptrpb wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:15 arQ wrote:
Just tweeted mr chae by simply saying: "Will never buy a GSL ticket again, well done".

My small contribution at least.

Just did too. I'm a Naniwa fan so obviously I'm biased but if any other player did the same thing and was punished the same way I'd still do the same. The ruling was so ridiculous


Did you get upset over Coca losing his code S spot?

It was a different situation, anyone who thinks they're the same situation is frankly a fool.
CoCa vs Byun was for a potential Code A seed
Nani vs Nestea was a pointless match that had no tangible reward for winning or losing

If Coca vs Byun was a pointless match that had no affect on anything to do with GSL placings or prize money, yes I would be upset.

Coca vs Byun was a pointless match for coca since he was code S. Also, it was a lower round of a minor tournament.
Host-
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand459 Posts
December 14 2011 10:40 GMT
#352
I think he deserves to be made an example of. What he did was, in my opinion quite stupid, and by punishing him, it will hopefully set a precedent that no one will do it in the future.
forSeohyun
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
504 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 10:40:34
December 14 2011 10:40 GMT
#353
On December 14 2011 19:32 vjee32 wrote:
All you babies crying that punishment is too harsh and nani did nothing AGAINST THE RULES.

Name any other professional league in any sport where trying to lose as fast as possible is not punishable?


Not going to argue, just provide and example that it could be otherwise -
As far as I know: Professional cycling!

You have people slow pedaling, you have people riding only 3 days out of a week long race and then calling it quits just for the sake of training, you have agreements in the peloton where you don't attack and teams helping each other with favours.

You have show races where the riders are paid and the winner's are agreed upon beforehand.

And pretty anything goes, except buying real races (latest controversy Vino vs Kolobnev) and doing PED (although it is probably prevalent amongst some).

And it is accepted because everyone is doing it.

Naniwa should've known better though.
Seohyun fan
onemanlan
Profile Joined April 2009
United States13 Posts
December 14 2011 10:40 GMT
#354
So manner buildings, mule drops/spam-scans, and dancing aren't considered offensive actions, yet probe rushing is? Asinine, those actions seem way more offensive to the other player, in my opinion, than what Nani did. This whole deal has me worried on the Korean outlook of things. I'm glad they're good at games, but this seems way out of proportion.
Biane
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia645 Posts
December 14 2011 10:40 GMT
#355
On December 14 2011 19:36 Eineez wrote:
Since the rule is so unspecific, you could basically apply it to all sorts of "bm", eg manner mules, leaving without gg, 6pools or whatever.


At least 6 pool has a chance of winning. If i recall, didn't Naniwa not gg once before against fxolucky or something?
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
December 14 2011 10:40 GMT
#356
More drama....

At least Slasher will have something to talk about......
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
arQ
Profile Joined October 2010
1033 Posts
December 14 2011 10:40 GMT
#357
On December 14 2011 19:30 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
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On December 14 2011 19:29 AnTiX wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:05 Grettin wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:51 AnTiX wrote:
Bye GSL.

Naniwa is a fucking competitor not a puppet show. You fucking don't get it. Fucking amateurish Kor.


I assume you mean Korea? Yup, thats why Korea is miles ahead compared to everyone else when it comes to E-sports. "Amateurish" is not the best word to describe Korea and E-sports.


And Naniwa's mind set is miles ahead compared to many progamers. He is not here for the money at all. He stays in Korea not because he likes it, not because his life is better there. No, he plays there to be the best. He is one of the most dedidacted player out there.

And still GOM stated, he is an amateur prize hunter...

Im pissed off that people think 'prize hunter' is a negative thing.


While I agree, I think everyone who knows anything about Nani knows that money means nothing to him in this context. Watch the "inside team dignitas" video from MLG. It's all about the competition, and being the best.

Warn him, sure, but this is disgusting.
"The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." -Carl Sagan || Flash || Mvp || Naniwa ||
Remb
Profile Joined August 2011
United States190 Posts
December 14 2011 10:40 GMT
#358
Ban a foreigner who legitimately qualified and then replace him with foreigners who do not deserve the spot? The GSL tournament is no longer legitimate in my eyes if players are seeded by popularity. Replacing a player by popularity is just as bad as match fixing in my eyes. He does not deserve it. The banning itself is another issue.

Gretech is a commercial organization, and in capitalism, you vote with your money. GOMTV lost my vote.
A virtuous act is performed habitually, and not once from incentive alone.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
December 14 2011 10:41 GMT
#359
On December 14 2011 19:33 vtbarrera wrote:
Given Korean culture I'm not surprised. Everyone talking about boycotting Gom is liar because you know they'll tune in to watch IdrA battle it out in Code-S.


Because we don't have to pay for it.
Yami_no_cosmos
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden59 Posts
December 14 2011 10:41 GMT
#360
I do not have a personal grudge against NaNiwa cause when I've meet him he was actually quite a sweet guy.
But I most say that I'm super exited to see Mr Idra. ♥ <3
EG fan what can you expect hu?

I secretly wish that this happens again so that I can see Jinro in code S. Don't tell anyone.... xD
" Best at what I do, but what I do isn't pretty"
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