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Gorgy
Profile Joined December 2009
Chile65 Posts
December 14 2011 10:35 GMT
#321
Terrible decision by GOM, im guessing they took it so bad because he´s a foreigner.
Demonace34
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2493 Posts
December 14 2011 10:35 GMT
#322
On December 14 2011 19:30 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:28 Demonace34 wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:22 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:20 126Q;A1 wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:57 CryingPoo wrote:
There is a rule about players' behaviours, whether Naniwa broke it or not is up to your discussion

Warning or disqualification
- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours


I like how they make the rule so vague that it basically becomes a catch-all for any behavior they might not like (Same with the insulting "unfit to be a pro-gamer" nonsense). Or maybe there is a way you can contact GOM if you feel offended by a certain play/strat, etc - I hate 1/1/1 for example ;p


Wouldn't Manner Mules be considered Disrespect and insulting to the other player? I guess I am happy that this will get out of the way. Since worker rushing is a great offense.


The difference is that for the audience it is fun to watch people drop mules and /dance (pros outweigh the cons)...Naniwa didn't give the audience a game and should of just said he forfeited or something instead of blatantly throwing the match. Obviously the rule is there so they can easily get rid of actions that they don't want to see while still having a rule to stand behind.

I'm not agreeing that what they did was right, but trying to find other things that are disrespectful isn't really meaningful for the discussion. The discussion is worker rushing against the rules and punishable, not what else is disrepectful and insulting that gom doesn't punish.


I watched the game live and I was laughing the entire 1 minute 23 seconds or whatever it was one of the most entertaining games I have seen. It was so bad it was hilarious...


Okay, well the point is that worker rushes stifle competition and isn't going to appeal to the majority of people wanting to watch competitive SCII matches. GOM doesn't want to look like a When Cheese Fails episode and decided to punish a player who intentionally threw a game.

Like I said before, I didn't say I agree or disagree with it. I think GOM is at fault for their tournament to have games that have little to no meaning for the players, and I think Naniwa is at fault for throwing a broadcasted game intentionally instead of either A. Forfeiting or B. Playing it out/Doing a half assed cheese build.
NaNiwa|IdrA|HuK|iNcontroL|Jinro|NonY|Day[9]|PuMa|HerO|MMA|NesTea|NaDa|Boxer|Ryung|
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
December 14 2011 10:35 GMT
#323
On December 14 2011 19:32 vjee32 wrote:
All you babies crying that punishment is too harsh and nani did nothing AGAINST THE RULES.

Name any other professional league in any sport where trying to lose as fast as possible is not punishable?

Nani didn't broke any rules. GOM just bends their wishy-washy-you-can-interpret-it-as-you-want rules to have a basis to punish nani. If you relaly think it was against the rules why did it took them so long to figure that out?
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
AngryOrange
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands10 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 10:44:04
December 14 2011 10:35 GMT
#324
Althought I feel it might be a litle harsh, in the end it's their tournament and they can invite or ban whoever the hell they want. Rules broken or not. Naniwa showed huge disrespect according to them (our opinions don't matter) so therefor pretty simple outcome.

Also a lot of people were offended by his behaviour (some of them paying customers, who pay good money to see people play ,not throw). Gom maybe thought they had to do something to keep their "product" up to high standards.

Sad for Naniwa, but then again maybe he needed to have this expensive lesson in life by seeing what the results are of, in my view, abnormal and disrespectfull behaviour at several events.

edit: And to all those people whining about rules being broken. It's not the legal system or anything nor does it say in their rules they can't revoke an invite to a player.
Neelia
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany599 Posts
December 14 2011 10:35 GMT
#325
On December 14 2011 19:14 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:12 PET wrote:
Ok. I'm curious.

What strategies are for GOM ... ok? Is it ok to do a 6 pool? Is it ok to take 4 drones and attack? We clearly see we can't probe rush ...

Soon we will see that the minimum game requirement is 30 minutes and we get 15 minutes to "evolve" like playing on Big Game Hunters 10 years ago.


Do you understand that you can't win with a strategy like probe rush in a competition like GSL. You might not win straight-up with 6pooling, but you can follow it up and win. That is the difference between these.


Do you think you can win a GSL match with Nexus first in PvP? I'm quite certain that the chances to succeed with nexus first is about as high as the 7 probe rush. Does anyone think HerO should be punished? I don't think so.
zewker
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden271 Posts
December 14 2011 10:36 GMT
#326
On December 14 2011 19:16 TI444 wrote:
Seriously, 95% or the people complaining are from sweden :p This is gold


Pretty much the way that NA people would defend idra if it was him.

not that I support nani nor gom for this decision
"God Didn't Create Us, We Created God"
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
December 14 2011 10:36 GMT
#327
On December 14 2011 19:35 bluQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:32 vjee32 wrote:
All you babies crying that punishment is too harsh and nani did nothing AGAINST THE RULES.

Name any other professional league in any sport where trying to lose as fast as possible is not punishable?

Nani didn't broke any rules. GOM just bends their wishy-washy-you-can-interpret-it-as-you-want rules to have a basis to punish nani. If you relaly think it was against the rules why did it took them so long to figure that out?


wat
Eineez
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden37 Posts
December 14 2011 10:36 GMT
#328
Since the rule is so unspecific, you could basically apply it to all sorts of "bm", eg manner mules, leaving without gg, 6pools or whatever.
bbm
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1320 Posts
December 14 2011 10:36 GMT
#329
On December 14 2011 19:33 vtbarrera wrote:
Given Korean culture I'm not surprised. Everyone talking about boycotting Gom is liar because you know they'll tune in to watch IdrA battle it out in Code-S.

Pretty muich this. As much as I'd like to protest about naniwa's treatment by boycotting GSL, I want to watch GSL.
By.Sun or By.Rain, he always delivers
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
December 14 2011 10:36 GMT
#330
Good on GomTV for sticking up for themselves. Naniwa has got away with disrespecting too many tournaments and having a horrible attitude about a profession most people can only dream about doing. It's about time someone showed him he needs to shape up a bit. There were many other players who would have loved that spot and would have gave their best in all their games, even if they can't advance, just to show their appreciation for being given the opportunity.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
December 14 2011 10:36 GMT
#331
On December 14 2011 19:35 Demonace34 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:30 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:28 Demonace34 wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:22 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:20 126Q;A1 wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:57 CryingPoo wrote:
There is a rule about players' behaviours, whether Naniwa broke it or not is up to your discussion

Warning or disqualification
- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours


I like how they make the rule so vague that it basically becomes a catch-all for any behavior they might not like (Same with the insulting "unfit to be a pro-gamer" nonsense). Or maybe there is a way you can contact GOM if you feel offended by a certain play/strat, etc - I hate 1/1/1 for example ;p


Wouldn't Manner Mules be considered Disrespect and insulting to the other player? I guess I am happy that this will get out of the way. Since worker rushing is a great offense.


The difference is that for the audience it is fun to watch people drop mules and /dance (pros outweigh the cons)...Naniwa didn't give the audience a game and should of just said he forfeited or something instead of blatantly throwing the match. Obviously the rule is there so they can easily get rid of actions that they don't want to see while still having a rule to stand behind.

I'm not agreeing that what they did was right, but trying to find other things that are disrespectful isn't really meaningful for the discussion. The discussion is worker rushing against the rules and punishable, not what else is disrepectful and insulting that gom doesn't punish.


I watched the game live and I was laughing the entire 1 minute 23 seconds or whatever it was one of the most entertaining games I have seen. It was so bad it was hilarious...


Okay, well the point is that worker rushes stifle competition and isn't going to appeal to the majority of people wanting to watch competitive SCII matches. GOM doesn't want to look like a When Cheese Fails episode and decided to punish a player who intentionally threw a game.

Like I said before, I didn't say I agree or disagree with it. I think GOM is at fault for their tournament to have games that have little to no meaning for the players, and I think Naniwa is at fault for throwing a broadcasted game intentionally instead of either A. Forfeiting or B. Playing it out/Doing a half assed cheese build.


HerpDerp, I think bunker rushes arent fun to watch. Ban them GOM!!!
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 10:39:05
December 14 2011 10:36 GMT
#332
I like it. Players need to realize that they're in the entertainment buisness. At least that's where the paychecks are coming from.
Entertainment.
Buisness.

And revoking an invite does not equal banning, just as getting thrown out for misbehaving on a party (invited) does not equal an eviction from your flat (getting thrown out of something you earned for breaking law/rules).


Edit: I guess that means CoL are smarter than Quantic.
11 years and counting- TL #680
Veritas
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom106 Posts
December 14 2011 10:37 GMT
#333
Banned based on some ambiguous rules and because he's a "prize money hunter."

I don't think I'd mind the punishment if they had provided even remotely accurate reasoning.
iRLStitcH
Profile Joined December 2011
Singapore15 Posts
December 14 2011 10:37 GMT
#334
It's harsh but it is necessary to prove it's point by don't screw around. In short; you're a pro-gamer and this is your job. I know it's harsh but it's all the same in the typical work place environment.
"Leadership is influence; nothing more, nothing less." ~ John C. Maxwell
drgonzhere
Profile Joined November 2010
United States447 Posts
December 14 2011 10:37 GMT
#335
On December 14 2011 18:40 Ruscour wrote:
NaNiwa did nothing wrong and should not be punished. If he gets punished in any sort of significant way because GOM had a stupid format I might stop watching GSL.

If you can't see that what NaNiwa did was at the very least cowardly and inappropriate then you are just ignorant. The excuse that it didn't matter is irrelevant when his opponent at least had the guts to give the game a go.
Dictator for Life of the PuMa Fanclub/ DRG, PuMA, Sage, Puzzle, MMA Fighting!
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
December 14 2011 10:37 GMT
#336
On December 14 2011 19:36 bbm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:33 vtbarrera wrote:
Given Korean culture I'm not surprised. Everyone talking about boycotting Gom is liar because you know they'll tune in to watch IdrA battle it out in Code-S.

Pretty muich this. As much as I'd like to protest about naniwa's treatment by boycotting GSL, I want to watch GSL.

just find a re-stream, I'm sure there will be some out there
dpurple
Profile Joined November 2010
Turkmenistan592 Posts
December 14 2011 10:37 GMT
#337
GOM should have just stated that Naniwas behavior is unacceptable and then made a rule against it. This is just wrong.
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
December 14 2011 10:38 GMT
#338
On December 14 2011 19:36 Ben... wrote:
Good on GomTV for sticking up for themselves. Naniwa has got away with disrespecting too many tournaments and having a horrible attitude about a profession most people can only dream about doing. It's about time someone showed him he needs to shape up a bit. There were many other players who would have loved that spot and would have gave their best in all their games, even if they can't advance, just to show their appreciation for being given the opportunity.

You do know that this was the BlizzCup and not GSL Code S? And Naniwa moved to Korea to practice in first place.
I love it how ppl try to shift the facts so that the can bash naniwa
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
JackDragon
Profile Joined February 2011
525 Posts
December 14 2011 10:38 GMT
#339
On December 14 2011 19:28 Logros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:23 babo213 wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:22 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:20 126Q;A1 wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:57 CryingPoo wrote:
There is a rule about players' behaviours, whether Naniwa broke it or not is up to your discussion

Warning or disqualification
- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours


I like how they make the rule so vague that it basically becomes a catch-all for any behavior they might not like (Same with the insulting "unfit to be a pro-gamer" nonsense). Or maybe there is a way you can contact GOM if you feel offended by a certain play/strat, etc - I hate 1/1/1 for example ;p


Wouldn't Manner Mules be considered Disrespect and insulting to the other player? I guess I am happy that this will get out of the way. Since worker rushing is a great offense.


Some of you guys are ridiculous with your 'arguments'
Use some common sense.

That's just the thing, they are using something in their rules and bending it to just kick out whoever they want. If they'd follow their rules, mule drops, manner nexus is all pretty damn offensive to the opponent.

To be fair most tournaments and companies in general have vague rules that they can bend however they want to kick out people who they don't like. It is always comes down to if they want to enforce the rules or not.
Biane
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia645 Posts
December 14 2011 10:38 GMT
#340
On December 14 2011 19:35 Gorgy wrote:
Terrible decision by GOM, im guessing they took it so bad because he´s a foreigner.


Imagine if the person probe rushing was a korean, none of us would care.

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