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densha
Profile Joined December 2010
United States797 Posts
December 14 2011 10:28 GMT
#281
On December 14 2011 19:26 Benga wrote:
i hope they realize what they're doing is wrong,losing potential money thus withdraw their decision


I think it's better if they lose potential money and stick by their decision. GSL is legit.
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ilikeLIONZ
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany427 Posts
December 14 2011 10:28 GMT
#282
Bye gsl. not gonna watch anymore
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
December 14 2011 10:28 GMT
#283
On December 14 2011 19:24 namste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:23 Kiarip wrote:
I think that from now on all koreans should be disqualified from Foreign tournaments unless they're prepared to fully answer interviews in English.


Hey nice point there, too bad it makes absolutely no sense at all.



Except it does. Koreans get preferential treatment. They get to have a translator standing there, they can bring their own translator and he can save them from saying stupid things from a PR standpoint.

Plus all foreigners regardless of their country of origin are pretty much expected to answer interviews in English, Koreans should too, and if they can't it's obviously they're not fit to participate in the Foreign leagues.
Jurassic
Profile Joined July 2010
Hungary79 Posts
December 14 2011 10:28 GMT
#284
Good decision from GOM. Imagine that every gamer started throwing away games just because they can and it isn't important for them. Of course their primary concern is money, but the second should always be to please their fans. (showmatches are meaningless too, right?)
Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
December 14 2011 10:28 GMT
#285
On December 14 2011 19:24 Lunareste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:20 hahaimhenry wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:18 Lunareste wrote:
Why does it bother you guys that NaNiwa is being tossed from GSL January?

It isn't like NaNiwa has any respect for GOM or their tournaments.


That's really ignorant, he's been wanting to play in Code S for a long time, there's an interview about it way back. He's the most passionate player right now, he doesn't like wasting time on interviews or any of the extra stuff. he just wants to play the game, it's like denying his right to.


Then maybe he shouldn't have disrespected GOM and the GSL by basically walking out and not giving a shit about their competition. Just saying. Seems like a stupid idea to me.


Except he did give a shit about their competition. His entire point was that at that stage there was no competition so he didn't bother either
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Lakai
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada315 Posts
December 14 2011 10:28 GMT
#286
On December 14 2011 19:22 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
He kinda put Gom in a hard position. Punish Naniwa, foreign fans get butthurt. Don't punish him, Koreans get butthurt. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Not if they properly justified their decision, then no one has an actual reason to complain. Booting a player for the integrity of the competition and then fathering in two players without proper qualification is probably the dumbest thing GOM could have done.
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Demonace34
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2493 Posts
December 14 2011 10:28 GMT
#287
On December 14 2011 19:22 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:20 126Q;A1 wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:57 CryingPoo wrote:
There is a rule about players' behaviours, whether Naniwa broke it or not is up to your discussion

Warning or disqualification
- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours


I like how they make the rule so vague that it basically becomes a catch-all for any behavior they might not like (Same with the insulting "unfit to be a pro-gamer" nonsense). Or maybe there is a way you can contact GOM if you feel offended by a certain play/strat, etc - I hate 1/1/1 for example ;p


Wouldn't Manner Mules be considered Disrespect and insulting to the other player? I guess I am happy that this will get out of the way. Since worker rushing is a great offense.


The difference is that for the audience it is fun to watch people drop mules and /dance (pros outweigh the cons)...Naniwa didn't give the audience a game and should of just said he forfeited or something instead of blatantly throwing the match. Obviously the rule is there so they can easily get rid of actions that they don't want to see while still having a rule to stand behind.

I'm not agreeing that what they did was right, but trying to find other things that are disrespectful isn't really meaningful for the discussion. The discussion is worker rushing against the rules and punishable, not what else is disrepectful and insulting that gom doesn't punish.
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Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
December 14 2011 10:28 GMT
#288
On December 14 2011 19:23 babo213 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:22 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:20 126Q;A1 wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:57 CryingPoo wrote:
There is a rule about players' behaviours, whether Naniwa broke it or not is up to your discussion

Warning or disqualification
- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours


I like how they make the rule so vague that it basically becomes a catch-all for any behavior they might not like (Same with the insulting "unfit to be a pro-gamer" nonsense). Or maybe there is a way you can contact GOM if you feel offended by a certain play/strat, etc - I hate 1/1/1 for example ;p


Wouldn't Manner Mules be considered Disrespect and insulting to the other player? I guess I am happy that this will get out of the way. Since worker rushing is a great offense.


Some of you guys are ridiculous with your 'arguments'
Use some common sense.

That's just the thing, they are using something in their rules and bending it to just kick out whoever they want. If they'd follow their rules, mule drops, manner nexus is all pretty damn offensive to the opponent.
Candide
Profile Joined November 2010
456 Posts
December 14 2011 10:28 GMT
#289
On December 14 2011 19:26 TOCHMY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:18 LAN-f34r wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:15 TOCHMY wrote:
"- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours"

How is probe-rushing an unimportant match offending the audience or opponent?

Sigh....


Every mule drop ever.


exactly... band MVP for the mule drops, ban everyone doing ling/rine/zealot dance... pft.

Im so upset T_T



oh my...
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
December 14 2011 10:28 GMT
#290
On December 14 2011 19:26 TOCHMY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:18 LAN-f34r wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:15 TOCHMY wrote:
"- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours"

How is probe-rushing an unimportant match offending the audience or opponent?

Sigh....


Every mule drop ever.


exactly... band MVP for the mule drops, ban everyone doing ling/rine/zealot dance... pft.

Im so upset T_T

They are just bending their rules to act like they would have a basis to punish naniwa for stating his opinion on a live-show.
Imo such action just hardens the stereotype of censoring-asian-countries. Thanks GOM, it makes me hate you
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akari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States65 Posts
December 14 2011 10:29 GMT
#291
While I disagree with the decision, it doesn't bother me that much. What DOES bother me is them labeling Naniwa as a prize money hunter when he CLEARLY is not. Maybe they can get past their KR arrogance and actually research the players.
When I say Korean, I mean plays on the Korean server. I don't care what you think it is, that's what I mean when I say it.
AnTiX
Profile Joined April 2010
France29 Posts
December 14 2011 10:29 GMT
#292
On December 14 2011 19:05 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:51 AnTiX wrote:
Bye GSL.

Naniwa is a fucking competitor not a puppet show. You fucking don't get it. Fucking amateurish Kor.


I assume you mean Korea? Yup, thats why Korea is miles ahead compared to everyone else when it comes to E-sports. "Amateurish" is not the best word to describe Korea and E-sports.


And Naniwa's mind set is miles ahead compared to many progamers. He is not here for the money at all. He stays in Korea not because he likes it, not because his life is better there. No, he plays there to be the best. He is one of the most dedidacted player out there.

And still GOM stated, he is an amateur prize hunter...
Rather than love, than money, than faith, than fame, than fairness... give me truth.
SigmaoctanusIV
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States3313 Posts
December 14 2011 10:30 GMT
#293
On December 14 2011 19:28 Demonace34 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:22 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:20 126Q;A1 wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:57 CryingPoo wrote:
There is a rule about players' behaviours, whether Naniwa broke it or not is up to your discussion

Warning or disqualification
- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours


I like how they make the rule so vague that it basically becomes a catch-all for any behavior they might not like (Same with the insulting "unfit to be a pro-gamer" nonsense). Or maybe there is a way you can contact GOM if you feel offended by a certain play/strat, etc - I hate 1/1/1 for example ;p


Wouldn't Manner Mules be considered Disrespect and insulting to the other player? I guess I am happy that this will get out of the way. Since worker rushing is a great offense.


The difference is that for the audience it is fun to watch people drop mules and /dance (pros outweigh the cons)...Naniwa didn't give the audience a game and should of just said he forfeited or something instead of blatantly throwing the match. Obviously the rule is there so they can easily get rid of actions that they don't want to see while still having a rule to stand behind.

I'm not agreeing that what they did was right, but trying to find other things that are disrespectful isn't really meaningful for the discussion. The discussion is worker rushing against the rules and punishable, not what else is disrepectful and insulting that gom doesn't punish.


I watched the game live and I was laughing the entire 1 minute 23 seconds or whatever it was one of the most entertaining games I have seen. It was so bad it was hilarious...
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Focuspants
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada780 Posts
December 14 2011 10:30 GMT
#294
Im happy with this decision. Anyone in any other sport would have been punished for this action. There are tons of players that would kill someone to get a chance to play a game on that grand of a stage vs. a player like Nestea. Im a fan of Hero, and it was breaking my heart watching him not play his best. But he still tried. You could see how upset he was, but he handled it like a pro, took his lumps, and still PLAYED the game, because thats what he signed up for. We pay money to watch the tournament, not to watch someone not give a shit. If this happened at a pro sporting event, fans would be outraged. The fact that people support his behaviour is completely mind boggling.

I think the punishment is very fit for what he did.
RaizeL
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada5 Posts
December 14 2011 10:30 GMT
#295
Serious? I thought the Coca situation was bad enough already, but to kick another code S player like that...Nestea could've very well been sixpooling, and a probe rush would hard counter that.
Cheese :D
Haze.884
Profile Joined July 2011
New Zealand192 Posts
December 14 2011 10:30 GMT
#296
Well, I kinda expected it.
Koreans (me being one of them) have a high expectation of 'pros'
the 'pro mindset' is one of the thing that is expected.
And one part of being pro is to give one's best in every matches.

Some might argue, Nani 4 gating is the same thing as this probe rush.
However, as a Korean, I dont see it that way.
Nani's 7probe rush cant even win. And he was playing with one hand as well.
This shows extreme disrespect for the league and the audience.

If he had 4 gated, he might have got some flak for that. But not this much.

Anyways, he is not 'banned'. His seed is merely revoked. I hope Nani does well in other tourneys
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
December 14 2011 10:30 GMT
#297
On December 14 2011 19:29 AnTiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:05 Grettin wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:51 AnTiX wrote:
Bye GSL.

Naniwa is a fucking competitor not a puppet show. You fucking don't get it. Fucking amateurish Kor.


I assume you mean Korea? Yup, thats why Korea is miles ahead compared to everyone else when it comes to E-sports. "Amateurish" is not the best word to describe Korea and E-sports.


And Naniwa's mind set is miles ahead compared to many progamers. He is not here for the money at all. He stays in Korea not because he likes it, not because his life is better there. No, he plays there to be the best. He is one of the most dedidacted player out there.

And still GOM stated, he is an amateur prize hunter...

Im pissed off that people think 'prize hunter' is a negative thing.
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msl
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany477 Posts
December 14 2011 10:31 GMT
#298
On December 14 2011 19:28 dapierow wrote:
Face it, the punishment was so severe because of the fact that the community was so outrated and vocal about it... You guys have yourselves to blame, and now you feel sorry that this happened to Nani and blame GOM...

Quite Pathetic actually, how the community always looks for small to exaggerate and blame organizations because the community can never be held responsible.

The Coca and this incident are to appease the community because the fact is, if its not done, there is outrage, and if there is something done, there is still outrage


Really? So a judging body (which GOM made itself) should just listen to whoever shouts loudest and therefor not be responsible for misjudgements?
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Nabes
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1800 Posts
December 14 2011 10:31 GMT
#299
On December 14 2011 19:28 densha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:26 Benga wrote:
i hope they realize what they're doing is wrong,losing potential money thus withdraw their decision


I think it's better if they lose potential money and stick by their decision. GSL is legit.


so legit that they give code S spots to foreigners to get more views
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
December 14 2011 10:31 GMT
#300
On December 14 2011 19:29 AnTiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:05 Grettin wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:51 AnTiX wrote:
Bye GSL.

Naniwa is a fucking competitor not a puppet show. You fucking don't get it. Fucking amateurish Kor.


I assume you mean Korea? Yup, thats why Korea is miles ahead compared to everyone else when it comes to E-sports. "Amateurish" is not the best word to describe Korea and E-sports.


And Naniwa's mind set is miles ahead compared to many progamers. He is not here for the money at all. He stays in Korea not because he likes it, not because his life is better there. No, he plays there to be the best. He is one of the most dedidacted player out there.

And still GOM stated, he is an amateur prize hunter...

Who cares? GOM is an amateur TV-production if nani is an amateur prize-hunt which throws us back about 5-10 years in the developtment of eSports.
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