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babo213
Profile Joined January 2011
United States266 Posts
December 14 2011 10:23 GMT
#261
On December 14 2011 19:22 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:20 126Q;A1 wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:57 CryingPoo wrote:
There is a rule about players' behaviours, whether Naniwa broke it or not is up to your discussion

Warning or disqualification
- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours


I like how they make the rule so vague that it basically becomes a catch-all for any behavior they might not like (Same with the insulting "unfit to be a pro-gamer" nonsense). Or maybe there is a way you can contact GOM if you feel offended by a certain play/strat, etc - I hate 1/1/1 for example ;p


Wouldn't Manner Mules be considered Disrespect and insulting to the other player? I guess I am happy that this will get out of the way. Since worker rushing is a great offense.


Some of you guys are ridiculous with your 'arguments'
Use some common sense.
vertical101
Profile Joined April 2011
Hong Kong311 Posts
December 14 2011 10:23 GMT
#262
i saw this coming. since they are good at making small thing to a drama to bigger drama. they should add Best Drama award in Blizzcup since most of the drama came from them.
Freud
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden54 Posts
December 14 2011 10:24 GMT
#263
GOM... omg GOM... this is just wrong... so f*cking wrong...
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
December 14 2011 10:24 GMT
#264
On December 14 2011 19:22 The Void wrote:
Could PLZ someone say what the EXACT WORDS were, which Naniwa is punished for?


Mr.Chae referred to him as "amateur prize money hunter" at least.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
December 14 2011 10:24 GMT
#265
On December 14 2011 19:20 hahaimhenry wrote:
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On December 14 2011 19:18 Lunareste wrote:
Why does it bother you guys that NaNiwa is being tossed from GSL January?

It isn't like NaNiwa has any respect for GOM or their tournaments.


That's really ignorant, he's been wanting to play in Code S for a long time, there's an interview about it way back. He's the most passionate player right now, he doesn't like wasting time on interviews or any of the extra stuff. he just wants to play the game, it's like denying his right to.


Then maybe he shouldn't have disrespected GOM and the GSL by basically walking out and not giving a shit about their competition. Just saying. Seems like a stupid idea to me.
KT FlaSh FOREVER
Daok
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany97 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 10:24:45
December 14 2011 10:24 GMT
#266
Thumbs down for that decision!
Unprofessional.
cutler
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany609 Posts
December 14 2011 10:24 GMT
#267
Finally someone treats Nani like he treats other people. I am perfectly fine with this... from my fanboy point of view.
Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6225 Posts
December 14 2011 10:24 GMT
#268
Not gonna stop watching GSL, but not gonna start paying for it either. Naniwa has enough skill to re-qualify and grind through code A, I'm sure we'll see him in the future. It sucks because he's one of the few protosses I actually enjoy watching, but at least Naniwa pointed out a major flaw in pool-play based tournaments. Hopefully they'll avoid them in the future.
good vibes only
namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
December 14 2011 10:24 GMT
#269
On December 14 2011 19:23 Kiarip wrote:
I think that from now on all koreans should be disqualified from Foreign tournaments unless they're prepared to fully answer interviews in English.


Hey nice point there, too bad it makes absolutely no sense at all.
IM hwaitiing ~ IMMvp #1 | Bang Min Ah <3<3
Lixo
Profile Joined May 2011
202 Posts
December 14 2011 10:24 GMT
#270
On December 14 2011 19:07 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
I really want to pose an interesting question if Naniwa Won with the rush would it be seen as unfit of being a gamer?


The rush COULDN'T win.
There's no point in that "what if", that just wasn't possible, that's why he's getting punished. It's a good thing.
hecky
Profile Joined January 2011
2 Posts
December 14 2011 10:25 GMT
#271
On December 14 2011 19:15 TI444 wrote:
ROFL at all the swedish butthurt ITT.

Naniwa had it coming. I'm glad that GOMTV stays strong.


no it is not 95% swedish, so stop saying stupid shit.
perestain
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany308 Posts
December 14 2011 10:25 GMT
#272
On December 14 2011 19:22 Ktk wrote:
ITT: foreigners QQing about other peoples' culture???

"Our standards the best! I can't believe they aren't to our standards!"

You don't have to follow them, but you don't have to watch GSL. Have some respect for the culture of millions of people, yeah?

Clearly people haven't been around long enough... If this were Kespa you wouldn't see naniwa in korea again.


If gsl makes players fake their matches I could go as well go and watch wrestling..


Also I have no respect for culture if the term is just used as a cheap excuse for terrible behaviour. Happens way too often, even in western society.
No matter how hot it gets, sooner or later there's a cool breeze coming in.
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
December 14 2011 10:26 GMT
#273
On December 14 2011 19:23 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:21 babo213 wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:20 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:17 Xax wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:14 hahaimhenry wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:12 Xax wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:09 hahaimhenry wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:08 anrimayu wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:07 Zzoram wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:04 billz wrote:
If this was any other sport then lawyers would be consulted right now about lodging legal proceedings against Gom. Pretty scandalous behaviour from them - can you really imagine Manchester United getting banned from a tournament for fielding a weakened team in a game that doesn't matter?


A better comparison would be if their players just stood still and let the other team score infinite goals.


More like a team just walks out of the stadium as soon as the game starts.


Actually, in PROFESSIONAL SPORTS, useless games aren't even played. If they are, they don't use their starting lines, instead they play their rookies and developing roster. Get your facts right people, stop living in a box.


Yup, and that's also getting punished:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/feb/18/wolves-fined-manchester-united


They punished them for 25,000 euros? LOL, you know how much money football players make?

you can't relate that to this situation because in this case, they're taking the COMPLETELY OUT OF THE TOURNAMENT.


Well his Code S seed is the only thing they can take away from him. Do you think he would ever pay a fine if they would've fined him?

If a soccer team would come to a match and only stand still it and let the opponent score goals at will, how would the fans react? If a team came to a match and just walked out of the stadium, how would the fans react?

Good comparison

"Pay fine or don't play code S - your choice".

Yes. Yes I think he would.


You know Quantic would pay it for him, so it wouldn't really punish him at all


That really isnt the point of it. It's to show that what he did was wrong... Hell, make it a reduction from his Code S prize money this season equal to whatever they want the fine to be.

So manner mules are okay, but manner-worker rush isn't?
The main point is that GOM feels that naniwa stepped on their toe because he offically and forcfully showed that the tourny setup is bad. GOM don't want that that happens (like every radical regime acts) and there for punishs naniwa in a way which is totally wrong.
But what does GOM care about my opinion: oh right, they wont get money from me.

And Í'm wondering that i read no where: "GOM is hurting eSports"
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Benga
Profile Joined October 2010
Korea (South)471 Posts
December 14 2011 10:26 GMT
#274
i hope they realize what they're doing is wrong,losing potential money thus withdraw their decision
hi
TOCHMY
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden1692 Posts
December 14 2011 10:26 GMT
#275
On December 14 2011 19:18 LAN-f34r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:15 TOCHMY wrote:
"- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours"

How is probe-rushing an unimportant match offending the audience or opponent?

Sigh....


Every mule drop ever.


exactly... band MVP for the mule drops, ban everyone doing ling/rine/zealot dance... pft.

Im so upset T_T
Yoona <3 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Look! It's Totoro! ☉.☉☂
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42383 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 10:27:57
December 14 2011 10:27 GMT
#276
On December 14 2011 19:22 Ninjahoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:14 Grettin wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:12 PET wrote:
Ok. I'm curious.

What strategies are for GOM ... ok? Is it ok to do a 6 pool? Is it ok to take 4 drones and attack? We clearly see we can't probe rush ...

Soon we will see that the minimum game requirement is 30 minutes and we get 15 minutes to "evolve" like playing on Big Game Hunters 10 years ago.


Do you understand that you can't win with a strategy like probe rush in a competition like GSL. You might not win straight-up with 6pooling, but you can follow it up and win. That is the difference between these.


Okay so making a 6-gate should also be allowed then.


Sorry, but i don't get the point of your post. Might be my fault, because i haven't slept yet.

But what the hell that has to do with anything? 6gate is a valid tactic which works in some situation and yes, it isn't prohibited, so what is it you are after?
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
ptrpb
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada753 Posts
December 14 2011 10:27 GMT
#277
On December 14 2011 19:20 iglocska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:19 ptrpb wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:15 arQ wrote:
Just tweeted mr chae by simply saying: "Will never buy a GSL ticket again, well done".

My small contribution at least.

Just did too. I'm a Naniwa fan so obviously I'm biased but if any other player did the same thing and was punished the same way I'd still do the same. The ruling was so ridiculous


Did you get upset over Coca losing his code S spot?

It was a different situation, anyone who thinks they're the same situation is frankly a fool.
CoCa vs Byun was for a potential Code A seed
Nani vs Nestea was a pointless match that had no tangible reward for winning or losing

If Coca vs Byun was a pointless match that had no affect on anything to do with GSL placings or prize money, yes I would be upset.
MBAACC | SG | shit at fighting games
dapierow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Serbia1316 Posts
December 14 2011 10:28 GMT
#278
Face it, the punishment was so severe because of the fact that the community was so outrated and vocal about it... You guys have yourselves to blame, and now you feel sorry that this happened to Nani and blame GOM...

Quite Pathetic actually, how the community always looks for small to exaggerate and blame organizations because the community can never be held responsible.

The Coca and this incident are to appease the community because the fact is, if its not done, there is outrage, and if there is something done, there is still outrage
Eat.Sleep.Starcraft 2
brrip
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom211 Posts
December 14 2011 10:28 GMT
#279
On December 14 2011 19:15 TOCHMY wrote:
"- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours"

How is probe-rushing an unimportant match offending the audience or opponent?

Sigh....


i was very offended, nearly broke down in tears.
Cocacooh
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1510 Posts
December 14 2011 10:28 GMT
#280
On December 14 2011 19:23 babo213 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:22 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:20 126Q;A1 wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:57 CryingPoo wrote:
There is a rule about players' behaviours, whether Naniwa broke it or not is up to your discussion

Warning or disqualification
- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours


I like how they make the rule so vague that it basically becomes a catch-all for any behavior they might not like (Same with the insulting "unfit to be a pro-gamer" nonsense). Or maybe there is a way you can contact GOM if you feel offended by a certain play/strat, etc - I hate 1/1/1 for example ;p


Wouldn't Manner Mules be considered Disrespect and insulting to the other player? I guess I am happy that this will get out of the way. Since worker rushing is a great offense.


Some of you guys are ridiculous with your 'arguments'
Use some common sense.

How can one use common sense about this though? Never really watch gsl anyways so I guess nothing is going to change for me though. Gom gom gom...
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