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Lakai
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada315 Posts
December 14 2011 10:19 GMT
#221
On December 14 2011 19:18 Ribbon wrote:
Isn't that the exact same punishment Coca got for fixing a match?

Nope, coca forfeited.
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TI444
Profile Joined December 2011
5 Posts
December 14 2011 10:20 GMT
#222
90% of the people complaining are from sweden ^^
Gackt_
Profile Joined March 2010
335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 10:20:47
December 14 2011 10:20 GMT
#223
Im just so happy nani is out and idra and sen is in! best trade ever!! :D

edit: i must be the only swedish guy who enjoy this :D
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
December 14 2011 10:20 GMT
#224
On December 14 2011 19:17 Xax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:14 hahaimhenry wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:12 Xax wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:09 hahaimhenry wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:08 anrimayu wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:07 Zzoram wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:04 billz wrote:
If this was any other sport then lawyers would be consulted right now about lodging legal proceedings against Gom. Pretty scandalous behaviour from them - can you really imagine Manchester United getting banned from a tournament for fielding a weakened team in a game that doesn't matter?


A better comparison would be if their players just stood still and let the other team score infinite goals.


More like a team just walks out of the stadium as soon as the game starts.


Actually, in PROFESSIONAL SPORTS, useless games aren't even played. If they are, they don't use their starting lines, instead they play their rookies and developing roster. Get your facts right people, stop living in a box.


Yup, and that's also getting punished:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/feb/18/wolves-fined-manchester-united


They punished them for 25,000 euros? LOL, you know how much money football players make?

you can't relate that to this situation because in this case, they're taking the COMPLETELY OUT OF THE TOURNAMENT.


Well his Code S seed is the only thing they can take away from him. Do you think he would ever pay a fine if they would've fined him?

If a soccer team would come to a match and only stand still it and let the opponent score goals at will, how would the fans react? If a team came to a match and just walked out of the stadium, how would the fans react?

Good comparison

"Pay fine or don't play code S - your choice".

Yes. Yes I think he would.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
anrimayu
Profile Joined June 2011
United States875 Posts
December 14 2011 10:20 GMT
#225
On December 14 2011 19:17 perestain wrote:
too bad gom values entertainment over competition.

hurts the legitimacy of the sport abit imo.

but money comes first i guess.


gom values entertainment over competition by making decisions to honor both competition and legitimacy of the sports, risking loss of viewership = money comes first

today is opposite day~!
☆*:.。. o(≧▽≦)o .。.:*☆
iglocska
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway589 Posts
December 14 2011 10:20 GMT
#226
On December 14 2011 19:19 ptrpb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:15 arQ wrote:
Just tweeted mr chae by simply saying: "Will never buy a GSL ticket again, well done".

My small contribution at least.

Just did too. I'm a Naniwa fan so obviously I'm biased but if any other player did the same thing and was punished the same way I'd still do the same. The ruling was so ridiculous


Did you get upset over Coca losing his code S spot?
Cuddle
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1345 Posts
December 14 2011 10:20 GMT
#227
So not only does this precedes GOM judging tactics as "abusive" even though they are clearly allowed within the game but they also sink to personal attacks by insulting players.

How is GOM any better than Naniwa?

They also need to clearly define which tactics are not allowed in their tournaments. Probe rush is obviously not allowed, what else?
PET
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania430 Posts
December 14 2011 10:20 GMT
#228
On Korean stream of GSL right now, Mr.Chae has announced that they made Code S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter.



HuH.... ? This one is the bomb.
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BlondeOna
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia89 Posts
December 14 2011 10:20 GMT
#229
I think you guys are missing something here.

The rule that GOM is able to deny participation in the event a player is deemed unfit to be a gamer is completely justified when you consider Naniwa vs Lucky, where he left the game without a gg and now this.

That is such a huge disrespect to the Korean scene, and if you look at it from their point of view, they invited Naniwa to come into Code A, and through their partnership Naniwa got a Code S spot, therefore he was effectively invited by GOM, and he has shown disrespect to GOM and pretty much all Korean fans on two occasions.

Simply put, he needs to clean up his attitude, he deserves this. And before anyone mentions Idra, Idra has toned his attitude down a lot, the difference between Naniwa and IdrA is IdrA knows when he can BM and when he can't.

'This is a f****** joke, f*** you'
126Q;A1
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden517 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 10:23:14
December 14 2011 10:20 GMT
#230
On December 14 2011 18:57 CryingPoo wrote:
There is a rule about players' behaviours, whether Naniwa broke it or not is up to your discussion

Warning or disqualification
- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours


I like how they make the rule so vague that it basically becomes a catch-all for any behavior they might not like (Same with the insulting "unfit to be a gamer" nonsense). Or maybe there is a way you can contact GOM if you feel offended by a certain play/strat, etc - I hate 1/1/1 for example ;p
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hahaimhenry
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada368 Posts
December 14 2011 10:20 GMT
#231
On December 14 2011 19:18 Lunareste wrote:
Why does it bother you guys that NaNiwa is being tossed from GSL January?

It isn't like NaNiwa has any respect for GOM or their tournaments.


That's really ignorant, he's been wanting to play in Code S for a long time, there's an interview about it way back. He's the most passionate player right now, he doesn't like wasting time on interviews or any of the extra stuff. he just wants to play the game, it's like denying his right to.
:]
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
December 14 2011 10:20 GMT
#232
On December 14 2011 19:19 namste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:17 anrimayu wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:15 arQ wrote:
Just tweeted mr chae by simply saying: "Will never buy a GSL ticket again, well done".

My small contribution at least.


your tears amuse me. you know you'll buy a ticket when jinro makes through the qualifier.


I just tweeted him saying that I bought a yearly ticket. :p

Did you?
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
December 14 2011 10:20 GMT
#233
Naniwa had it coming. I hope he learns from this...
Mitchlew
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia428 Posts
December 14 2011 10:20 GMT
#234
Stupid decision by gom
msl
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany477 Posts
December 14 2011 10:20 GMT
#235
On December 14 2011 19:12 Xax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:09 hahaimhenry wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:08 anrimayu wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:07 Zzoram wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:04 billz wrote:
If this was any other sport then lawyers would be consulted right now about lodging legal proceedings against Gom. Pretty scandalous behaviour from them - can you really imagine Manchester United getting banned from a tournament for fielding a weakened team in a game that doesn't matter?


A better comparison would be if their players just stood still and let the other team score infinite goals.


More like a team just walks out of the stadium as soon as the game starts.


Actually, in PROFESSIONAL SPORTS, useless games aren't even played. If they are, they don't use their starting lines, instead they play their rookies and developing roster. Get your facts right people, stop living in a box.


Yup, and that's also getting punished:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/feb/18/wolves-fined-manchester-united


You are aware that this is basicly a slap on the wrist. If GOM had fined Nani or his team that would have been fine and arguably justified. If you choose to use this as an example, the equivalent would be the Premier League relegating the Wolves to the 2nd division (or whatever it is called in England).
Which they didn't, because it would be unreasonable and a punishment much worse then the (percieved) crime.

So thank you for making that excellent point!
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
December 14 2011 10:20 GMT
#236
On December 14 2011 19:20 anrimayu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:17 perestain wrote:
too bad gom values entertainment over competition.

hurts the legitimacy of the sport abit imo.

but money comes first i guess.


gom values entertainment over competition by making decisions to honor both competition and legitimacy of the sports, risking loss of viewership = money comes first

today is opposite day~!

They are taking about the sanctity of competition in the same breath as they announce seeds into Code S based on popularity.

Not a fan.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
December 14 2011 10:20 GMT
#237
On December 14 2011 18:38 CryingPoo wrote:
Warning or disqualification
- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours



So every player who did /dance, manner nexus, mule drop should be banned as well? 1-1-1 is pretty damn abuse, ban every Terran that did that? Because I get offended every time a Terran 1 base all-ins.
superarmy
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand422 Posts
December 14 2011 10:21 GMT
#238
I think its probably important to remember this probably wasn't a decision made by Mr Chae alone. The Korean reaction to this was extremely negative, they wanted punishment, especially after parallels being drawn to the Coca incident. Anyone who gave this more than a minutes thought last night realized this was coming. He fucked up, big time, I'm surprised if he wasn't expecting this.
chenchen
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1136 Posts
December 14 2011 10:21 GMT
#239
It's pretty disappointing how grossly nationalistic Swedish people are. I'd honestly expect such a "developed" and "liberal" country to be a little less narrow minded. The same people who refuse to buy GSL tickets because Naniwa, who happens to be Swedish, got kicked out, would probably rally and buy GSL tickets the moment Sase or Jinro gets to play in Code A.

Just think about what would happen to a Korean progamer that did what Naniwa did . . . the team would probably kick him out to disassociate themselves with someone so disrespectful.
powerade = dragoon blood
arQ
Profile Joined October 2010
1033 Posts
December 14 2011 10:21 GMT
#240
On December 14 2011 19:17 anrimayu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:15 arQ wrote:
Just tweeted mr chae by simply saying: "Will never buy a GSL ticket again, well done".

My small contribution at least.


your tears amuse me. you know you'll buy a ticket when jinro makes through the qualifier.


If you are trying to be funny it's not working. And the tears are saved, buddy, don't worry.

I'm just not supporting an organization treating people like this, that is all. Laugh if you want, I don't care :-)
"The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." -Carl Sagan || Flash || Mvp || Naniwa ||
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