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Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10660 Posts
December 14 2011 10:31 GMT
#301
I dont care what GOM decides to do, its their organization they can do what they want.

Same as for Naniwa, idc what he does, hes himself and he can do what he wants.
Skol
JackDragon
Profile Joined February 2011
525 Posts
December 14 2011 10:31 GMT
#302
What naniwa did was really stupid, and he deserves a punishment for it... this however is far to severe in my opinion, I especially feel like it was really rushed, I would have liked them to calm down before making the decision. On the other hand, knowing naniwa it is possible that they talked to naniwa about it and he very possibly could have refused to say sorry for it. I don't know if they had any dicussion about it, but I sure hope they did.
vjee32
Profile Joined April 2011
Finland3 Posts
December 14 2011 10:32 GMT
#303
All you babies crying that punishment is too harsh and nani did nothing AGAINST THE RULES.

Name any other professional league in any sport where trying to lose as fast as possible is not punishable?
hahaimhenry
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada368 Posts
December 14 2011 10:32 GMT
#304
On December 14 2011 19:30 Focuspants wrote:
Im happy with this decision. Anyone in any other sport would have been punished for this action. There are tons of players that would kill someone to get a chance to play a game on that grand of a stage vs. a player like Nestea. Im a fan of Hero, and it was breaking my heart watching him not play his best. But he still tried. You could see how upset he was, but he handled it like a pro, took his lumps, and still PLAYED the game, because thats what he signed up for. We pay money to watch the tournament, not to watch someone not give a shit. If this happened at a pro sporting event, fans would be outraged. The fact that people support his behaviour is completely mind boggling.

I think the punishment is very fit for what he did.


You're from Canada, I bet you watch hockey like I do. When has a team in the NHL gotten punished for not playing their best players? If you watch basketball, teams seeded in the playoffs start playing their B-teamers near the end of the season 'cause it doesn't matter anymore. The NBA doesn't punish them for this.
:]
h41fgod
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden377 Posts
December 14 2011 10:32 GMT
#305
Actually, to be blunt, that seems more like a comment on why Stephano has not recieved a seed...
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 14 2011 10:32 GMT
#306
On December 14 2011 19:28 Lakai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:22 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
He kinda put Gom in a hard position. Punish Naniwa, foreign fans get butthurt. Don't punish him, Koreans get butthurt. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Not if they properly justified their decision, then no one has an actual reason to complain. Booting a player for the integrity of the competition and then fathering in two players without proper qualification is probably the dumbest thing GOM could have done.


Exactly. kicking Naniwa that broke no rules and give the code s spot to 2 players that didnt earned it its a discrace. Starcrat 2 is a goddam popularity contest.

Its WWE all drama not about skills anymore
brrip
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom211 Posts
December 14 2011 10:32 GMT
#307
On December 14 2011 19:28 ilikeLIONZ wrote:
Bye gsl. not gonna watch anymore


mmhmm, just bought the yearly pass.
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
December 14 2011 10:32 GMT
#308
On December 14 2011 19:30 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:29 AnTiX wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:05 Grettin wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:51 AnTiX wrote:
Bye GSL.

Naniwa is a fucking competitor not a puppet show. You fucking don't get it. Fucking amateurish Kor.


I assume you mean Korea? Yup, thats why Korea is miles ahead compared to everyone else when it comes to E-sports. "Amateurish" is not the best word to describe Korea and E-sports.


And Naniwa's mind set is miles ahead compared to many progamers. He is not here for the money at all. He stays in Korea not because he likes it, not because his life is better there. No, he plays there to be the best. He is one of the most dedidacted player out there.

And still GOM stated, he is an amateur prize hunter...

Im pissed off that people think 'prize hunter' is a negative thing.

So you are pissed at GOM for using it in a negative context?
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
TheWonderbread
Profile Joined March 2011
United States14 Posts
December 14 2011 10:32 GMT
#309
On December 14 2011 19:21 chenchen wrote:
It's pretty disappointing how grossly nationalistic Swedish people are. I'd honestly expect such a "developed" and "liberal" country to be a little less narrow minded. The same people who refuse to buy GSL tickets because Naniwa, who happens to be Swedish, got kicked out, would probably rally and buy GSL tickets the moment Sase or Jinro gets to play in Code A.

Just think about what would happen to a Korean progamer that did what Naniwa did . . . the team would probably kick him out to disassociate themselves with someone so disrespectful.


Insulting the Swedish people as a whole is a great way to further the discussion.

Also if Naniwa was a Korean progamer then he would have been raised in the Korean culture most likely and he'd be well aware of the cultural issues that got him here in the first place.

Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
December 14 2011 10:33 GMT
#310
On December 14 2011 19:21 chenchen wrote:
It's pretty disappointing how grossly nationalistic Swedish people are. I'd honestly expect such a "developed" and "liberal" country to be a little less narrow minded. The same people who refuse to buy GSL tickets because Naniwa, who happens to be Swedish, got kicked out, would probably rally and buy GSL tickets the moment Sase or Jinro gets to play in Code A.

Just think about what would happen to a Korean progamer that did what Naniwa did . . . the team would probably kick him out to disassociate themselves with someone so disrespectful.


I hope what you are seeing is a vocal minority. :/ I for one really don't like nani.
I like to think that most swedish are a bit ashamed of his bad behavior, while still proud of his results. A bit like US and idra I guess.
Hagg
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden27 Posts
December 14 2011 10:33 GMT
#311
On December 14 2011 19:28 Lakai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:22 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
He kinda put Gom in a hard position. Punish Naniwa, foreign fans get butthurt. Don't punish him, Koreans get butthurt. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Not if they properly justified their decision, then no one has an actual reason to complain. Booting a player for the integrity of the competition and then fathering in two players without proper qualification is probably the dumbest thing GOM could have done.


This.
I can understand them wanting to point out that what Naniwa did was wrong, but this feels very! personal and unprofessional.
Youth is wasted on the young
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 14 2011 10:33 GMT
#312
On December 14 2011 19:32 h41fgod wrote:
Actually, to be blunt, that seems more like a comment on why Stephano has not recieved a seed...


Stephano turned down any seeds he wont play GSL
chenchen
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1136 Posts
December 14 2011 10:33 GMT
#313
On December 14 2011 19:29 AnTiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:05 Grettin wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:51 AnTiX wrote:
Bye GSL.

Naniwa is a fucking competitor not a puppet show. You fucking don't get it. Fucking amateurish Kor.


I assume you mean Korea? Yup, thats why Korea is miles ahead compared to everyone else when it comes to E-sports. "Amateurish" is not the best word to describe Korea and E-sports.


And Naniwa's mind set is miles ahead compared to many progamers. He is not here for the money at all. He stays in Korea not because he likes it, not because his life is better there. No, he plays there to be the best. He is one of the most dedidacted player out there.

And still GOM stated, he is an amateur prize hunter...


If Naniwa were really in Korea because he's there to be the best, then he has to step up and play the best even if it has no financial consequences for him. Having the chance to play Nestea in front of the whole world is actually a rare opportunity for him, and he decided to waste it.

So much for good mindset.
powerade = dragoon blood
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
December 14 2011 10:33 GMT
#314
On December 14 2011 19:32 brrip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:28 ilikeLIONZ wrote:
Bye gsl. not gonna watch anymore


mmhmm, just bought the yearly pass.


doubt it.
vtbarrera
Profile Joined October 2010
United States46 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 10:33:53
December 14 2011 10:33 GMT
#315
Given Korean culture I'm not surprised. Everyone talking about boycotting Gom is liar because you know they'll tune in to watch IdrA battle it out in Code-S.
baoluvboa
Profile Joined December 2010
743 Posts
December 14 2011 10:34 GMT
#316
On December 14 2011 19:33 Hagg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:28 Lakai wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:22 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
He kinda put Gom in a hard position. Punish Naniwa, foreign fans get butthurt. Don't punish him, Koreans get butthurt. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Not if they properly justified their decision, then no one has an actual reason to complain. Booting a player for the integrity of the competition and then fathering in two players without proper qualification is probably the dumbest thing GOM could have done.


This.
I can understand them wanting to point out that what Naniwa did was wrong, but this feels very! personal and unprofessional.


What Naniwa did was personally motivated and unprofessional.
Korean culture is different from western values.
ptrpb
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada753 Posts
December 14 2011 10:34 GMT
#317
On December 14 2011 19:32 brrip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:28 ilikeLIONZ wrote:
Bye gsl. not gonna watch anymore


mmhmm, just bought the yearly pass.

Just cancelled mine, so there you go.
MBAACC | SG | shit at fighting games
Sithril
Profile Joined April 2011
Slovakia169 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 10:54:55
December 14 2011 10:34 GMT
#318
Edit: Ok, I dont care by now, but I still do not support GOMs decision, nor do I think it is acceptable how koreans reacted (verbaly) to Naniwa.

(I do not agree with what Nani did either, but I have a lot bigger issues with GOM and korean ones,just that)

+ Show Spoiler +
Well, GOM TV won't careI guess, but anyone willing enough can tell them I may not be watching GOM TV production anymore from now on.
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
December 14 2011 10:34 GMT
#319
On December 14 2011 19:33 chenchen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:29 AnTiX wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:05 Grettin wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:51 AnTiX wrote:
Bye GSL.

Naniwa is a fucking competitor not a puppet show. You fucking don't get it. Fucking amateurish Kor.


I assume you mean Korea? Yup, thats why Korea is miles ahead compared to everyone else when it comes to E-sports. "Amateurish" is not the best word to describe Korea and E-sports.


And Naniwa's mind set is miles ahead compared to many progamers. He is not here for the money at all. He stays in Korea not because he likes it, not because his life is better there. No, he plays there to be the best. He is one of the most dedidacted player out there.

And still GOM stated, he is an amateur prize hunter...


If Naniwa were really in Korea because he's there to be the best, then he has to step up and play the best even if it has no financial consequences for him. Having the chance to play Nestea in front of the whole world is actually a rare opportunity for him, and he decided to waste it.

So much for good mindset.


who cares? he plays Nestea tons of times on the ladder, and he knows that Nestea won't take this game seriously either. I think that if this match was actually meaningful to NESTEA's qualification, and Naniwa did this then yes, I would say that it's completely irresponsible, but Nestea was out of it as well... For all you know he was just gonna do a roach-ling all in, and gtfo.
Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6225 Posts
December 14 2011 10:35 GMT
#320
Punishing naniwa for giving his best effort in three VERY entertaining games and then being forced to play another even though it doesn't matter.

They should punish every player that doesn't play their hardest or uses goofy strats. I remember a long time ago Nada going thor drop vs Idra in close positions metalopolis, back when close positions were played and instant-loss for zerg. The game didn't matter since they would both advance, but if Nada won he would have had to play his teammate. Nada intentionally played a ridiculous strat to lose so he wouldn't play against his teammate, and nobody said anything. Somebody should look this up and back me up. They didn't punish Nada for it even though I was thoroughly disappointed.
good vibes only
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