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Please keep this thread on topic. It's ok to discuss the professionalism of what happened, but don't turn this thread into personal attacks or it will be closed. | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
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Stonedviper
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Incomplet
United Kingdom1419 Posts
a) Differentiate the prize pool difference between 4th and 5th by either increasing more for 4th place, decreasing the amount for 5th or both. b) Penalise Naniwa with an official first and only warning for his behaviour c) (a) & (b) | ||
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zidaneshead
245 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:57 aksfjh wrote: It's not even a show match though. It's a joke. At least in a planned show match, there is some pride and agreement involved, and usually money for the winner. It's clear both Nestea and Naniwa were on tilt all night, so any win would have been completely null of pride anyways. All you have left is an argument that the fans should have a good game to watch, but again, the community as a whole would have seen any result from the match as tainted. As for Idra and Naniwa, the latter plays out his games until he loses. He doesn't quit when 1 thing doesn't go his way. He quits when he has no more options to win. Guess what happened tonight... So in a meaningless show match there's pride involved, and in a meaningless match in the context of a tournament there's no pride involved... | ||
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
But it's not BM, it's simply unprofessional. Throwing games should NEVER be allowed. Stop acting like players are the boss of the scene, and that they can do anything they want. The only reasons that they are paid to play this game is because peoples want to watch them, because peoples want to cast them, and because peoples want to organised event. It's a shame for eSports. | ||
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Aldehyde
Sweden939 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:49 Jibba wrote: Naniwa didn't fight to the bitter end. He gave up when a show match was on the line. It's the same as when IdrA used to try terrible 6pools after getting down in a series. Both players just want it to be over, without any regard for the audience, their team or even their own dignity. Beating Nestea in another stage match, even if it amounts to just a show match, is more significant than giving up your pride from the start. Might be worth noting that it wasn't a "match", it was a game. I still don't see what this game would have proven even if Naniwa played it out fully. It was a single game. Not even a bo3 but a single. game. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
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pezit
Sweden302 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:58 figq wrote: My principle about anything like that is that the player is not an animal stock for public use, and his psyche can never be forced to compete when he doesn't want to. If he wants to lose, let him lose, that's all. But I accidentally voted "he should be kicked out of Code S" in the LR poll, because I'm actually as dumb as a stock animal apparently, and completely forgot he won Code S from MLG, and thought this option was for the trololol. :/ Yeah I like how people are saying "but he should care for his fans!!!". Maybe his fans should care about him? He plays his heart out in the games that actually matters. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:57 pezit wrote: But they're not competing in anything since they had both already lost, forcing a showmatch between the two players that had lost all their games just minutes ago is just a ridiculous tournament setup. Have you ever played an organized sport? They were simply not playing for nothing. The season doesn't end when you're eliminated from the playoffs. Like someone else said, it's a pride match. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:00 Salteador Neo wrote: Idra just left the building before playing for the 6th or 7th spot of a tourney that IIRC actually mattered (money-wise). No he didn't, he didn't hear their calls. | ||
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zidaneshead
245 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:59 SDream wrote: You know, it's ok that people that aren't in the industry don't understand the drama. Naniwa should understand though and GOMTv should revoke his Code S so foreigns learn how business work in Korea. If it goes without punishment then it was just a drama show. Anybody, whether in the industry or not, should understand the drama of throwing a match away. Professional sports leagues, hell ANY competition or job or whatever that calls it's practitioners "professionals" would never accept half-assing a competition, or a job, or anything. Why should we hold professional gaming to a lower standard? | ||
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Tulkas25
Greece292 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:58 TheEconomist wrote: To be purposefully honest, this is professional behavior. There is no more money to to be had, so why waste everyone's time? yes, it woulda been cool to see a Naniwa and Nestea rematch, but this way 1) This is Naniwa. He hasn't tried to be anyone else. 2) The rematch has even more spice. (Think objectively, it really does. A best of one wouldn't have settled matters anyways) 3) It isnt unheard of that people who don't need to play the game don't actually play it. 4) I wouldn't be surprized if Naniwa left the studio afterwards to go practice. 5) Its a really cool story, and there is an epic gif out of it already ^^. Agree with Bo1 resolving grudges..It's like putting 2 great Boxers fight out a grudge match in a 3 minute 1 round boxing match...who would care about that anyway? | ||
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
If I was in Naniwa's position, I would've played a game which appeared plausibly competitive without putting in any real effort. I might think about probe rushing, but I would imagine the backlash that would come and lose my nerve. What is the benefit of someone hiding the fact that he's not trying? Would you rather Naniwa do a listless eight gateway rush? Certainly I wish Naniwa would've soldiered on and played his hardest, but I understand that a player is sometimes mentally unable to do that, and would rather he be upfront about it rather than disguise his intentions. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:01 Jibba wrote: Have you ever played an organized sport? They were simply not playing for nothing. The season doesn't end when you're eliminated from the playoffs. Like someone else said, it's a pride match. Agreed, let's say you walk out onto the field and you LITERALLY DO NOTHING TO WIN, not just a bad performance, but you THROW the game. What kind of people could ever stand by that? | ||
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zeru
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
seriously, it would be CHAOS and remembered FOREVER | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:57 Nekovivie wrote: why? It would have decided who bottomed out the group. A classic pride match, football leagues, soccer leagues, all have these. Its normal. People are also paying money to see this. Except it's not like this tournament was a hugely prideful tournament in the first place. It's kinda the consequence of having a very active tournament scene. Like Naniwa said in an interview, there are so many more tournaments out there. Why should he hinge his pride on a LAST PLACE match for what equates to a primarily invitational tournament anyways? Pride is built with full-fledged tournaments like MLG and GSL, where your current skill dictates your placement in and through the tournament. | ||
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zedi
165 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:59 Stonedviper wrote: Every race needs an idra player and NaNi is the protoss version...lol IdrA has common sense and doesn't pull off bullshit like this. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:01 Itsmedudeman wrote: No he didn't, he didn't hear their calls. Oh I never read that :o Wouldn't have surprised me anyway, so yeah, this Nani thing isn't that big of a deal IMO. | ||
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Cigar
Sweden12 Posts
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