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Please keep this thread on topic. It's ok to discuss the professionalism of what happened, but don't turn this thread into personal attacks or it will be closed. | ||
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Stijn
Netherlands363 Posts
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zidaneshead
245 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:54 Talin wrote: For the sake of SC2 scene, I certainly hope it isn't. Perhaps you can describe to me what other core purpose the SC2 scene is supposed to serve. | ||
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LXenJin
Singapore293 Posts
IdrA actually thought it was a good strategy to use, Firstly: Jinro scouts late on jungle basin and doesn't immediately wall off(according to IdrA and this would have won him the game, it wasn't even throwing) Secondly: Jinro actually scouted earlier in the game as he could hear shouts/screams from the korean commentators Thirdly: Jinro only won cause he accidentally canceled his first marine (the one that was left with 5 hp in the end) and if the marine was actually produced earlier, the bunker wouldn't have finished in time and the marine would be dead. IdrA did it cuz he thought he actually had a high chance of winning using the strat. | ||
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Gaxton
Sweden2328 Posts
The things that bother me is that people are defending that half-ass proberush in the same way as a controlled 6pool. Im happy we have so many other swedish SC2-player showing up to international/korean events, to show that we arent a bunch of quitters. | ||
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Chaosvuistje
Netherlands2581 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:47 ThaSlayer wrote: Has anyone forgotten about Idra vs Jinro in GSL 3? (Jungle Basin) Jungle Basin is a terrible map for Zerg because you can't take a third base against Terran. That's like blaming people for not going split map for 30 minute on Incineration zone. IdrA didn't throw the game, he just felt like the map was terrible so he went for a strategy that actually works when the opponent is caught off guard. Naniwa did a rush that never works against someone that builds workers. | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:56 Gaxton wrote: First of all, i agree that the match should never have been played in the first place. why? It would have decided who bottomed out the group. A classic pride match, football leagues, soccer leagues, all have these. Its normal. People are also paying money to see this. | ||
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pezit
Sweden302 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:52 Jibba wrote: Resolve to be competitive. It doesn't matter what place you're in, you don't try to lose like that, especially in a broadcast game. But they're not competing in anything since they had both already lost, forcing a showmatch between the two players that had lost all their games just minutes ago is just a ridiculous tournament setup. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:49 Jibba wrote: Naniwa didn't fight to the bitter end. He gave up when a show match was on the line. It's the same as when IdrA used to try terrible 6pools after getting down in a series. Both players just want it to be over, without any regard for the audience, their team or even their own dignity. Beating Nestea in another stage match, even if it amounts to just a show match, is more significant than giving up your pride from the start. It's not even a show match though. It's a joke. At least in a planned show match, there is some pride and agreement involved, and usually money for the winner. It's clear both Nestea and Naniwa were on tilt all night, so any win would have been completely null of pride anyways. All you have left is an argument that the fans should have a good game to watch, but again, the community as a whole would have seen any result from the match as tainted. As for Idra and Naniwa, the latter plays out his games until he loses. He doesn't quit when 1 thing doesn't go his way. He quits when he has no more options to win. Guess what happened tonight... | ||
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EricFartman
China76 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Vb0yn.gif) it's my first time see a whole match can be play in a GIF | ||
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
But I accidentally voted "he should be kicked out of Code S" in the LR poll, because I'm actually as dumb as a stock animal apparently, and completely forgot he won Code S from MLG, and thought this option was for the trololol. :/ | ||
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Tulkas25
Greece292 Posts
On December 13 2011 21:45 zeru wrote: 1. They shouldnt have played that game at all since it didnt matter in any way, they havent played useless games in their other GSL's either. 2. The super popular idra throws games on a map he doesnt like in GSL some year ago on jungle basin, forfeits semi final TLOpen after losing 1 game, doesnt play placement matches for MLG which actually can win you money. Yet no one cares about that 3. Probe rush is an awesome counter to 6 pool. Arguing that worker rush never wins isnt correct. It probably wins as often as 6 pools work against terrans. 4. Complaining about game quality when half the games already are cheeses and all ins is beyond silly. I feel like people are really spoiled if they are getting mad at what happened, it was perfectly understandable and pretty funny. Whatever u said about idra....Common ppl get over it,the fact that he didnt want to be our dancing monkey after puting on a great show earlier to games that did matter is something everybody should understand don't be such babies!He had nothing to win,nothing to lose and at least that was a way to make ppl have a laugh and talk about a rather uninteresting game.And to ppl worrying that the drama between nestea and nani didnt play out today you are wrong..That just added to it if anything else.And would a bo1 settle that? I guess not.... | ||
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Arachne
South Africa426 Posts
yes, it woulda been cool to see a Naniwa and Nestea rematch, but this way 1) This is Naniwa. He hasn't tried to be anyone else. 2) The rematch has even more spice. (Think objectively, it really does. A best of one wouldn't have settled matters anyways) 3) It isnt unheard of that people who don't need to play the game don't actually play it. 4) I wouldn't be surprized if Naniwa left the studio afterwards to go practice. 5) Its a really cool story, and there is an epic gif out of it already ^^. | ||
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CajunMan
United States823 Posts
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EchoZ
Japan5041 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:56 Gaxton wrote: First of all, i agree that the match should never have been played in the first place. The things that bother me is that people are defending that half-ass proberush in the same way as a controlled 6pool. Im happy we have so many other swedish SC2-player showing up to international/korean events, to show that we arent a bunch of quitters. I agree with you. Since this was an "invitation" for the "elites", shouldn't some showmanship be involved and just play a normal game as a show match? They also have a rivalry too so i expect them to duke it out for honor and glory.. | ||
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
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Pughy
Wales662 Posts
At IPL3 Idra forfeited 3 matches. Forfieting is alot less effort/APM then probe rushing. Touche! | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:54 zeru wrote: I dont think i know anyone who seems more competitive than naniwa when it matters. GOM being greedy and forcing games like that to be played like that, i can understand why he doesnt give a shit about them. Losing sucks, no matter what position you're in. The top competitors in every sport realize this, even when their teams are in last place. | ||
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:54 zeru wrote: I dont think i know anyone who seems more competitive than naniwa when it matters. GOM being greedy and forcing games like that to be played like that, i can understand why he doesnt give a shit about them. where the hell does Gom being greedy come into it? Almost any league will play out the scheduled series once the schedule has actually been made. Can you imagine what would happen if your football/soccer team decided to quit playing for the last 2 weeks in the year because their "ranking" was already fixed (which Nanis actually wasn't, he could have still beaten Nani and gotten 4th in the group) or if it was clear they couldn't reach the playoffs anymore? If Gom had simply cancelled the match the outrage would have been much much worse and frankly correct as well. Part of being a sportsman of any kind is that sometimes you have to finish playing a series/game even if you know you have lost. Hell sometimes you have to play a showmatch for a sponsor where you know in advance that all you will get is a terrible drubbing by a much better team. | ||
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