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Please keep this thread on topic. It's ok to discuss the professionalism of what happened, but don't turn this thread into personal attacks or it will be closed. | ||
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NorthernRiver
Sweden107 Posts
Now for the tournament results it doesn't matter, but for his team, his fans, his reputation, the paying viewers and the GSL in general it actually does. What do you know about this? Personally I think it's disrespectful of the tournament hosts to have players that practice really hard to win keep playing even after they've lost. The system has to change, not Naniwa, and now that there's some debate about it I'm sure it will. | ||
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anomalopidae
Slovenia549 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:46 zidaneshead wrote: This is just such a stupid comment. Naniwa's value is linked to his ability to entertain people. If he wasn't entertaining to watch, if playing a video game wasn't entertaining to watch, he and the rest of this sport would hold no value whatsoever, and he wouldn't be paid jack shit. This would all be completely meaningless, cause it certainly doesn't contribute anything else to the world. Naniwa's job, whether he wants to accept it or not, is to entertain people. So when I see him throwing games cause hes a wittwe upset, well that's just completely unacceptable. He needs to grow up, know his role, and play to the best of his ability in order to entertain the fans. I bet alot of people paid GOM money to see Naniwa, and that money is going directly to Naniwa's pocket. Are you saying his probe rush was not entertaining? Why are there then so many posts about it? He created a large amount of publicity, which is in the end the goal of entertainment business. | ||
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Gesh
Bulgaria69 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:51 Nekovivie wrote: I can't believe people are defending his actions. People play money to watch these games. Sponsors are giving money. The organisers are putting so much effort in. Quantic Gaming are paying him a salary to play games. It's just so crazy on so many levels. He's pretty much just blacklisted himself with anything GSL related. What an idiot :| Yep, when money is on the line and you are getting paid, you must behave professionaly - this means do your obligations, no matter how do you feel, no matter what you want to do, no matter how stupid are your obligations - you are getting paid to do them. Simple as that. | ||
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Bodzilla
Australia472 Posts
It doesnt matter what it means to you, you sign up for these tournaments you better make an effort to fucking play it. | ||
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vasculaR
Malaysia791 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:49 Seronei wrote: I know about that. I just can't think of any sport that has a similar system with 1vs1. round robin , group stage. rewards players with chance to be consistent. (also trying to eliminate cries of "omg just a bo1 bo3, im sure they'll do better with more games..) | ||
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Pajegetc
United States3158 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:49 LXenJin wrote: U do realise that Artosis himself said in when commentating that IdrA told Artosis that he was intending to 6-pool if he was 2-1 down going into jungle basin. I remember that, he also said something that Jinro usually walled and scouted late on that map too. | ||
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zidaneshead
245 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:50 aksfjh wrote: And yet that match would have been just as entertaining if they had played a 20 minute macro game, never attacking until the final battle. Would that have been a more entertaining use of everybody's time? And yes, he did get paid, roughly $800. Sad thing is, he would have been paid $800 if he had 4 gated and won. So you don't find 20 minute macro games or 4 gate timing attacks entertaining? Why are you watching Starcraft then? You can't even compare your examples to what Naniwa did. What you described actually gives that player a chance to win, while what Nani did...I mean what was he really going to accomplish? The odds of victory were basically 0%. And you want to compare that to a 4 gate or a macro game? Really? | ||
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EchoZ
Japan5041 Posts
His point being that IdrA already planned the strat out, and did not blindly trash the game? | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:46 zidaneshead wrote: Naniwa's job, whether he wants to accept it or not, is to entertain people. For the sake of SC2 scene, I certainly hope it isn't. | ||
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ambrosiaa
Singapore333 Posts
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Heraklitus
United States553 Posts
He could have had the attitude, "Well, I'm out, but I'm taking down NesTea on my way out." People would have given him such mad props for playing a strong game in that situation. | ||
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2WeaK
Canada550 Posts
His point is that it wasn't because Idra was frustrated. He probably thought the map rush distance was short enough to pull off a 6 pool vs Jinro, since Idra is known as a passive macro player. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:51 quancer wrote: I responded to your initial post because you seemed to suggest fans and leagues shouldn't be proactive in condemning this sort of behaviour. My point was that it would be unhealthy if this kind of thing consistently went unpunished--that if everyone was allowed to be Charles Barkley without repercussion everything would turn out okay. I also responded because your post seemed to give credit to people like Charles Barkley by suggesting that success justifies itself. I wanted to highlight the fact that without guys like, say, Slayers Boxer, guys like Naniwa would not even have a respectable format with which to make a living. No I never ment to say that what Barkley and Naniwa do is "good".It's just their way of doing things and its not normal in comparison to other players so they will get punished,but they will still be able to go out and show their talent. What I want to say all along is that this witch hunt is crazy and wouldn't have happened in the first place if people had any sense of reality. | ||
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sanctuz
Norway184 Posts
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zeru
8156 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:46 zidaneshead wrote: This is just such a stupid comment. Naniwa's value is linked to his ability to entertain people. If he wasn't entertaining to watch, if playing a video game wasn't entertaining to watch, he and the rest of this sport would hold no value whatsoever, and he wouldn't be paid jack shit. This would all be completely meaningless, cause it certainly doesn't contribute anything else to the world. Naniwa's job, whether he wants to accept it or not, is to entertain people. So when I see him throwing games cause hes a wittwe upset, well that's just completely unacceptable. He needs to grow up, know his role, and play to the best of his ability in order to entertain the fans. I bet alot of people paid GOM money to see Naniwa, and that money is going directly to Naniwa's pocket. 1 word for you IdrA. What's his appeal with the community? I never really understood it from day 1, but over the course of time. Low and behold: "How will he lose this time?" I don't see the appeal in which he plays the game. He either rolls over a player with lopsided boring games or loses/rage quits before the actual game/series starts or types out as soon as he's at a disadvantage. The only entertainment value he has for me is actually how I put it before. "How will he lose?" The only entertaining series I can recall of him was when he was playing against BoxeR at MLG where BoxeR almost came back from behind in that series. The entertainment is what comes after. No one is forcing you to sit in that chair and watch a distraught player who is already out. They were both out. The only thing you wanted to see was NesTea versus Nani and he didn't want anything to do with it. | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:28 Kira__ wrote: I can't recall any match between united and arsenal where arsenal hasn't had anything to gain, considering we've been fighting to finish in top4 since 2005. sorry misunderstood above statement. | ||
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mutantmagnet
United States3789 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:45 Zeaket wrote: This is true, but there's a difference between leaving games early that do matter (ie can advance in a tournament) and games where, even if you win, you're still out. I'm not saying it wasn't bad decision making by him, but I think he's getting attacked way too much for this. You are saying it better than I am. Naniwa deserves some ire; but the banjo playing pitchfork swinging lynch mob is out of line for acting more butthurt over a game they did watch, unlike the games they only heard about, with the likes of Choya and Coca cheating. | ||
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
Yes almost everyone who hoped for an epic rematch in the Blizzard Cup was disappointed by Naniwa. He definitly let his fans down and behaved unprofessionally. But that is something his new team will have to discuss with him. The only people he has hurt are his team and his fans. Personally i won't bother taking a break from my studying to watch the "next" Naniwa match, because he might not be in a mood to bother. Does this mean we need a 20 pages thread discussing wether it was BM or not? Frankly who cares... We knew beforehand that Nani's attitude wasn't the best, and that has been proven again. | ||
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Bojas
Netherlands2397 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:54 EchoZ wrote: His point being that IdrA already planned the strat out, and did not blindly trash the game? Artosis said in the cast that Idra watched Jinro´s replays on that map and saw he had a late scouting pattern so it might work. Jungle basin is also an awful map. This isn´t relevant to this discussion. | ||
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