EPTIt really gives a bad name to the foreign scene in general, makes me sad
NaNi vs NesTea (SPOILERS) - Page 19
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skipgamer
Australia701 Posts
It really gives a bad name to the foreign scene in general, makes me sad | ||
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quancer
Canada161 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:33 TheKefka wrote: Wow,how can people always miss the point by so much. Here I will explain it to you word by word. PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE.You can't punish people for being who they are,it's what makes sports exciting.People go through life on a path they choose and what ever they do if their skill in a field out weights them being BM it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. How boring of a sport world would we have if everyone smiled after a loss,hand shaked their rival and go to the locker room saying to the press No one is encouraging BM.But we shouldn't crucify it either. These reactions of"Ban Naniwa from GOM" are utter nonsense.Punish him,give him a fine. But don't try to slave drive people into being "nice". I never said Naniwa should be crucified. Please don't put words in my mouth. My point was that if everyone was like Charles Barkley leagues would be unsustainable. And yes we do punish people for what they are for the sake of the system. Some people are born murderers and we punish them for the greater good--it's a system we buy into as a collective and sports are no different; organizers, teams, fans, and players themselves have a lot vested in this system and people are kept in line so things can move forward. The only goddamn reason BM or drama make sports interesting is because they mean something in that context, because they are uncommon occurrences. If the league was a joke where players did not take games seriously or treated each other disrespectfully every time, drama and BM would have no meaning because there would be no context by which they are contrasted. | ||
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Butcherski
Poland446 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:32 Zeaket wrote: People love bad boys, but they have never loved quitters. Even IdrA's fans were angry or at least indifferent when he used to leave games without trying. No one said it added to his bad boy image.2) This game probably gained Naniwa and GOM more attention than any standard macro game could have. While it's true people love long macro games, people also love "bad boys". Which do you think is more likely to gain more attention from people: "They played a long macro game, but Nestea won" or "NANIWA PROBE RUSHED OMG"? Honestly, this is terrible. Shows a lot about Naniwa's resolve. | ||
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EchoZ
Japan5041 Posts
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Catbus
80 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:35 quancer wrote: So group stage formats, league-playoff formats, basically everything except straight-up bracket systems should be avoided because the risk is not worth it? No, that's crazy. The way sports have worked for years is leagues and teams make it clear players have a lot to lose when they misbehave in ways detrimental to the competition. It benefits the fans because it allows for formats that give more varied games and so on. I think the biggest difference here is that everyone is talking about teams. In teams you have constant competition about "your" spot, so you are either motivated by showing how good you are so that you still get to be among the starting 11 (in soccer for example). Or you do not have a regular spot, but want to show that you deserve one. In a singleplayer sport, none of this occurs, so he has no motivation. And to people "beeing cheated" out of the game, get a grip, you are cheated out of games everytime a Bo3 ends 2-0. Do you complain and go on a rampage then? | ||
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Supine
United Kingdom4 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:38 iYiYi wrote: Despite the whole pride thing, they shouldn't even make the players play if they are already out. In other tournaments like mlg when IdrA was already out he was suppose to play Haypro for 7th place but he didn't show. Pretty unprofessional, same situation here except this match actually didn't matter at all. Its sucks he didn't want to play a real game but you can't do anything about it. Idra actually cleared this up. He didn't hear the announcement for the Haypro game. He was intending the play. I know this off-topic from the general thread but I just thought I should clear that up. (He was watching Huk on the main stage at the time) | ||
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Cigar
Sweden12 Posts
why whould they play at all? the game meant nothing at all except for ad revenue for GOMTV. he said fuck the system, i dont wanna be abused for money and quit just epic (this post has a hint of truth to it) | ||
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vasculaR
Malaysia791 Posts
i'm giving you an example... usually league is considered the best format since it rewards consistency. just showing that your reasoning that the format is flawed is inaccurate | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
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zeru
8156 Posts
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:41 Jibba wrote: People love bad boys, but they have never loved quitters. Even IdrA's fans were angry or at least indifferent when he used to leave games without trying. No one said it added to his bad boy image. Honestly, this is terrible. Shows a lot about Naniwa's resolve. But he STILL leaves games like that. Naniwa fights to the bitter end, but he's not an idiot. Playing out the last game was a waste of time for everybody, even before Naniwa probe rushed. | ||
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robih
Austria1086 Posts
SC2 community is so pathetic. making a huge deal out of nothing | ||
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Seronei
Sweden991 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:43 vasculaR wrote: i'm giving you an example... usually league is considered the best format since it rewards consistency. just showing that your reasoning that the format is flawed is inaccurate There is usually not leagues in games that are solely 1vs1. | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
Fans can disown him if they are so offended by him taking the easy way out. His team can release him if they can prove he breached contract. Sponsors can put pressure on the team if they don't subscribe to the any publicity is good publicity idea. GOM can try and punish him if they think he broke a rule or something. This is all down to his relationship with those people and their beliefs. My beliefs have nothing to do with anything but my relationship with Naniwa, which has improved as a result of today after it took a hit after the 'NesTea BM incident'. Naniwa didn't cost me an entertaining game between him and NesTea. MMA, Polt and my boy Leenocktopus did that by destroying those two players, putting them into a meaningless game, worse than a show match. Instead Naniwa gave me the funniest game i've seen in recent memory, which i'll likely never forget. It was better than anything else an 0-3 Naniwa vs an 0-3 NesTea was going to be. So i thank him for ending it quickly instead of showing us a prolonged farce in place of what many people wanted to see so badly. Next time these two face, it will be even bigger. I'm glad he didn't waste the big match on this stupid meaningless situation. So over this. I expect to get really mad at people continuing to overreact to this in the coming days. But that's fine. If they're offended by what he did, that's their choice. I'm fine with it. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:41 quancer wrote: I never said Naniwa should be crucified. Please don't put words in my mouth. My point was that if everyone was like Charles Barkley leagues would be unsustainable. And yes we do punish people for what they are for the sake of the system. Some people are born murderers and we punish them for the greater good--it's a system we buy into as a collective and sports are no different; organizers, teams, fans, and players themselves have a lot vested in this system and people are kept in line so things can move forward. The only goddamn reason BM or drama make sports interesting is because they mean something in that context, because they are uncommon occurrences. If the league was a joke where players did not take games seriously or treated each other disrespectfully every time, drama and BM would have no meaning because there would be no context by which they are contrasted. Ok so why are we having this discussion in the first place? Naniwa is a borderline case like Charles Barkley and speculating" what if every player was like him" has nothing to do with reality. This is a uncommon occurrence as you put it.I fail to see the point in your post. | ||
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Klamity
United States994 Posts
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buksna
Croatia9 Posts
U want gom to ban nani? WTF? How fucking stupid u must be wanting that? Fuck u uptight little retards, fuck all of u. User was banned for this post. | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:41 Butcherski wrote: Can anyone translate what Nestea wrote on his twitter ?? https://twitter.com/#!/IM_NesTea_ In an insane playability hold of yourself, come to think of an angry relative of the more crazy now haejune According to google translator.] Sounds like he understands why nani did what he did | ||
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Fireflies
United Kingdom211 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:41 Butcherski wrote: Can anyone translate what Nestea wrote on his twitter ?? https://twitter.com/#!/IM_NesTea_ According to Google translate... "In an insane playability hold of yourself, come to think of an angry relative of the more crazy now haejune" Makes perfect sense IMO. | ||
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