EPTShould be interesting to be part of SAS, SEAL, or any other special force to be honest. :p
What is the Most Elite Special Forces Unit? - Page 8
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Grettin
42381 Posts
Should be interesting to be part of SAS, SEAL, or any other special force to be honest. :p | ||
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Eisregen
Germany967 Posts
What I think is way more important is professional behaviour and attitude, not only by the person but also teached in the training and lived within the unit. And to be honest, I see a lot of SpecOps failing this part horrible. Also you have to exclude the "elite" units like maybe the parachute troops from the real deal, like SAS, the KSK, the Seals or even the german "kampfschwimmer" (guess translating as combat divers should be fine). Those guys are far from being anywhere close to a "lower" level those elite guys operate on. I would even count the german "Fernspäher" (Recons) or recons in general more towards the SpecOps than the elite. | ||
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Tidus Mino
United Kingdom1108 Posts
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thesideshow
930 Posts
On November 27 2011 23:33 Eisregen wrote: SpecOps isnt all about equipement and funding. I mean I can support a unit with a massive amount of money but still if they buy some crappy (e.g. domestic produced) weapons it is totally wasted. Also, looking at the training methods...I bet every single one of them out there are developed over years and have each their good and maybe bad points, but still prepare perfectly for the unit's tasks. What I think is way more important is professional behaviour and attitude, not only by the person but also teached in the training and lived within the unit. And to be honest, I see a lot of SpecOps failing this part horrible. Also you have to exclude the "elite" units like maybe the parachute troops from the real deal, like SAS, the KSK, the Seals or even the german "kampfschwimmer" (guess translating as combat divers should be fine). Those guys are far from being anywhere close to a "lower" level those elite guys operate on. I would even count the german "Fernspäher" (Recons) or recons in general more towards the SpecOps than the elite. Recons troops in general are most definitely not spec ops. Their capabilities are often too limited for any special operations. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17257 Posts
What is not widely known, the last part of the test to become a full member (that's after the training) is traditionally undertaken in hostile enemy territory, during a real mission. They just drop you behind enemy lines with a task and you've got to get back home on your own. The rumours say that roughly half of the people don't return from it (they're killed or captured, which is basically a death sentence too). On November 27 2011 23:41 thesideshow wrote: Recons troops in general are most definitely not spec ops. Their capabilities are often too limited for any special operations. What makes SAS (and the others too I guess) so elite is that they basically never stop training. SAS has at least 2 units on rotation at all times, one is training the other one is on the battle alert status. This guys are ready to spring into action 24/7 and with the amount of training they do their performance is ridiculous compared even to police AT forces. Imagine that you run a marathon every day, do other training excercises like parachuting, close combat etc. regularly and you get to the point in shooting where no one in your unit scores below 97/100 at the range. This guys are so badass that it never ceases to amaze me that some terrorists/criminals still revert to stuff like hostage taking, knowing that they'd have to deal with this kind of guys... | ||
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hns
Germany609 Posts
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
1) Their recruitment pool is incredibly large. It only makes sense that when you have a million people to choose from, you have a better roster then when you have to choose from a 100.000 people. 2) They have the highest funding in the world. 3) They have the latest technology and they get it first hand before anyone even knows about it. 4) They see more action then any other unit. The US is present all across the globe and it has more operations running then any other country. Just their over abundance of recruits, their constant in-field experience and masive funding secure them that top spot. But in the end it's all just small differences. When you are running in the olympics, being 1st still means you are only 0.2 seconds faster then the other guy. I doubt the difference to the SAS for example is all that big. | ||
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Eisregen
Germany967 Posts
Recons troops in general are most definitely not spec ops. Their capabilities are often too limited for any special operations. Thats why I said more "towards" SpecOps then Elite, actually the recons in germany are grouped alongside with the KSK  They do their job perfectly, in small numbers being behind enemy lines for several days, if needed those guys even can handle the jobs KSK normally handles, so their capabilities are in fact not that limited as you may think. In addition, when the german KSK was founded, recons were the first guys in there.Small private story: When I was serving in ger. army those guys where training in the morning yelling and when I went to bed they were still out there training...fucking cost me tons of sleep :D Though I cant say anything about foreign recons. May be different in the US, GB or elsewhere. Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol and Long Range Reconnaissance/Surveillance | ||
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MasterKush
United Kingdom568 Posts
On the "Joe Rogan Experience" podcast he does, he talked about a friend of his who was a marine, undergoing the training to be a Seal. One of the activities they had setup to test you was a team of trainee's would be split up into pairs, one on land and the other person would be instructed to jump into a lake with no breathing apparatus wearing their field equipment/gear. They had it timed out so they knew when the people would begin to drown and at that point, the guys on land would have to jump in and rescue them... It's literally the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard, but Joe said his friend saw the demonstration and bottled it because he was so scared (don't blame him, what the fuck!?). | ||
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
And what do we know about elite units in f.e. North Korea? | ||
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alecspec
Norway9 Posts
On November 28 2011 00:01 MasterKush wrote: Navy Seals & SAS. On the "Joe Rogan Experience" podcast he does, he talked about a friend of his who was a marine, undergoing the training to be a Seal. One of the activities they had setup to test you was a team of trainee's would be split up into pairs, one on land and the other person would be instructed to jump into a lake with no breathing apparatus wearing their field equipment/gear. They had it timed out so they knew when the people would begin to drown and at that point, the guys on land would have to jump in and rescue them... It's literally the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard, but Joe said his friend saw the demonstration and bottled it because he was so scared (don't blame him, what the fuck!?). I know of some other "training tools" that are used as well. Like running a 3 mile run with a gas mask on, that has puke in it, if its your own then you are considered lucky. Also a diving exercise where you have to pick up an anchor from the bottom of the pool. Its too heavy for anyone too pickup to the surface. Its you go up for air you fail, if you pass out under water you fail but get another try just to fail again and pass out. There are also a lot of beating and violence in training | ||
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
For jungle warfare, definitely Gurkhas. Maybe not what I'd want in a hostage situation, but I think I would argue that they are the deadliest for their specific intended role. | ||
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FraCuS
United States1072 Posts
On November 28 2011 00:11 hitthat wrote: Its imposible to say. Do we f.e. know how much propaganda is in that what we saw and how much is a fact? What about top secret units used only for suicidal missions? And what do we know about elite units in f.e. North Korea? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMEgSFftU1Y&feature=related shit's fake. a women chopping a glass bottle in half....haha | ||
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thesideshow
930 Posts
On November 28 2011 00:00 Eisregen wrote: Thats why I said more "towards" SpecOps then Elite, actually the recons in germany are grouped alongside with the KSK They do their job perfectly, in small numbers being behind enemy lines for several days, if needed those guys even can handle the jobs KSK normally handles, so their capabilities are in fact not that limited as you may think. In addition, when the german KSK was founded, recons were the first guys in there.Small private story: When I was serving in ger. army those guys where training in the morning yelling and when I went to bed they were still out there training...fucking cost me tons of sleep :D Though I cant say anything about foreign recons. May be different in the US, GB or elsewhere. Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol and Long Range Reconnaissance/Surveillance LRRPs are a different story in my opinion. Their job scope alone makes them specops in my eyes lol. But you're right, if you take all the "elite" troops, recons (and probably sniper teams) are usually the closest to spec ops in terms of capability (behind enemy lines, small numbers, limited logistical support and autonomous operations) | ||
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Arkless
Canada1547 Posts
Navy SEALS > British SAS> Russian Spetsnav | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
On November 28 2011 00:34 FraCuS wrote: shit's fake. a women chopping a glass bottle in half....haha Ok, I said that it can be propaganda. But are you pretty sure that totalitarian army used to fight asimethric war will not try rise the hightly loyal, trained soldiers that can be in pair with western counterparts? (in everything but equipment?) I am not... | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On November 27 2011 21:37 Biff The Understudy wrote: Yeah, right. They are also known for being one of the greatest crew of murderers of all democratic nation's security forces. http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR19/025/2005/en/bb459966-d49c-11dd-8a23-d58a49c0d652/amr190252005en.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batalhão_de_Operações_Policiais_Especiais#Criticism http://www.extrajudicialexecutions.org/application/media/E_CN_4_2005_7_Add_1 2005.pdf But if "Elite" is about killing a lot of people, having action like in a video game and having "badass" uniforms with skulls and everything, yeah, they fit the description. Pity that for internet youth, "having balls of steal" and being a brutal murderer basically mean the same thing. That's how it works in here. We don't have the time and the money to make a clean cut. We don't have enough qualified men and equipment to make a clean cut, so our forces need to instill fear. They need to make the drug lords KNOW that if one of our BOPE guys is killed shit will go down 100%. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
 I think most of us are just spurting out what we're being told by movies and video-games. XD All these stories about how bad-ass the training for Navy SEALs is, do we even have a good grasp of what the Spetsnaz go through? No, because they don't make Hollywood movies about it. :D | ||
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FJ
United Kingdom321 Posts
I guess it's hard to bring it down to one force as the best around. The SAS, (and for arguements sake I also include SBS) is generally seen as the best, as per individual soldier, and American forces are shit hot with their tech and other forces of Europe are great in a 4 man group for specific missions. But that's not to say any of these guys should be messed with. | ||
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