EPTWhat is the Most Elite Special Forces Unit? - Page 6
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Caryc
Germany330 Posts
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sorrowptoss
Canada1431 Posts
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KryptoStorm
England377 Posts
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mhKk3.jpg) I'm not actually serious, but CroCop was actually an anti terrorist soldier before he became big. | ||
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Poyo
Canada790 Posts
So I'm not sure how to answer this, I personally have intimate knowledge of the different array of Israeli special forces units in the IDF and I can assure you they are highly capable and very experienced. Edit: Oh by the way the Mossad is an Israeli intelligence agency equivalant to the CIA, it is not a special forces unit. | ||
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alecspec
Norway9 Posts
On November 27 2011 21:41 KryptoStorm wrote: Nobody here is really qualified or educated enough to speak seriously about this topic, everyone can say their own SF are the best/most elite but nobody knows anything about it other than what they can read online, in my opinion the 'best' would be a combination of intelligent/well-trained. Not just 'most secretive' if that's a quality then...well yeah. You dont know that. Some might actually have some insight having been in or currently being in forces or forces with connections with them. Dont shut down every one else because you dont know anything other that what you read or have seen in movies.. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
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Hunterai
Thailand842 Posts
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
On November 27 2011 21:32 TranceStorm wrote: Its a pretty pointless to compare the different elite special forces units of different nations since all of them have their members trained to probably peak human ability levels. In the end, the effectiveness of any unit is determined by logistics/information, etc. Might as well just say that they are all about even. thats true. but you still can compare em in terms of training and equipment etc etc.... but funny story....i reallly hate amarican tv shows....but 1 got my attention i think its called " the deadliest warriors" or something like that. they compare warriors of the present and past (for example samurai vs. viking). the show is focused on weapons and armor etc etc followed by a "simulation" of those clashing. the show itself is just a stupid slaughterfest with no real science in it. its for bloodthirsty bored viewers. 1 of the episodes got my very special attention.... GSG9 (the german police elite unit) vs. SWAT (the US counterpart) and it turned out the most biased propaganda recruiting video for SWAT. (seems swat needs new young member) it was really a joke because they give SWAT unfair advantages (they had to do a swat parcour simulating a urban hostile situation where u have to clear rooms, shoot the boogies and dont shoot the civillians as fast as u can) then the propaganda begun: 1. they didnt mention that swat uses since ages the german mp5 submachinegun (the best ever to be built). instead they got a new very handy but crappy US submachinegun. its very handy rapid firing but unprecise and not reliable. but ok it fits for this urban combat situation. what did gsg9 got? (btw they use also the mp5 for urban combat) they had to do it with the friggin G36 ASSAULT RIFLE (yes not even the short "k" version for commandos) its a friggin nice rifle but totally unhandy and not suited for urban combat in houses!!!!!!! it slows em down soooo much.(so why didnt get swat a shitty M16 then :D:D ) 2. the pros they used for the parcour. SWAT had these 2 very exoirienced SWAT members, while the german GSG9 had 1 normal soldier who had done a gsg9 training (its a joke, its not even close tto a real gsg9 training and they dont train urban combat) and another non gsg9 military guy.....WHAT A FRIGGIN JOKE!!!!!!!! and surprise surprise they beat gsg9 by 20 seconds....but if you look at the circumstances they should have won by at least 40 seconds. thats how bad swat is..... | ||
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nathangonmad
United Kingdom317 Posts
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On November 27 2011 21:36 alecspec wrote: No you are wrong. Many of the teams are not comparable to SAS but SEAL team 6 and BUDS for example are among worlds finest SpecOps. Do not think KSK is considered in the same league as SAS and Spetznaz mate. Well the GSG9 won in the years 2005 and 2006 international comparission competitions (the Original SWAT World Challenge (OSWC) in the USA) And the SEK of Baden-Württemberg won the international Combat Team Conference, which is known as the inofficial worldchampionship of police and military special forces, this year and defended it's title as the worldchampions from the year 2007. Don't really know what the KSK have accomplished and I'm too lazy to look it up  | ||
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alecspec
Norway9 Posts
On November 27 2011 21:49 SilentchiLL wrote: Well the GSG9 won in the years 2005 and 2006 international comparission competitions (the Original SWAT World Challenge (OSWC) in the USA) And the SEK of Baden-Württemberg won the international Combat Team Conference, which is known as the inofficial worldchampionship of police and military special forces, this year and defended it's title as the worldchampions from the year 2007. Don't really know what the KSK have accomplished and I'm too lazy to look it up GSG9 are good at what they do, counter terrorism and "Swat" like police operations  | ||
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
they rape everybody (not military) | ||
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
I think the GSG9 is specialised on antiterror missions and so on while the KSK is there for warmissions. | ||
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
On November 27 2011 21:55 SilentchiLL wrote: I think the GSG9 is specialised on antiterror missions and so on while the KSK is there for warmissions. thats correct but KSK is also trained in everything GSG9 does, that means anti terror too that means they are even better. but they never participate in such competions where GSG9 wins vs everybody, because KSK is really a top secret unit, thats why they will never show up. | ||
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FT.aCt)Sony
United States1047 Posts
On November 27 2011 17:34 travis wrote: I am no expert on this, but given that we are the U.S. of fuckin' A - I would have to guess Navy Sea;s/Pararescue Jumpers. After doing some research maybe they are 2nd to the British SAS? Also maybe there's special forces we don't know about O.O Pararescue or "PJ's" is undoubtedly probably the elite. So many current active duty US underestimate just what the Air-Force has and I've seen that first hand. I unfortunately had to be re-classed from PJ due to a injury I incurred during the training, tearing my ATFL and CFL ligaments in my right ankle completely. The training as a whole is 2 years aside from your general indoctrination training just to make it through to the pipeline. As a PJ you go to the various different spec-ops schools for a set period of time. Those are: US Army Airborne School - 3 weeks US Army Combat Divers School - 4 weeks US Navy Underwater Egress Training - 1 day US Air Force Basic Survival School - 2.5 weeks US Army Free-fall Parachutist School - 5 weeks Special Operations Combat Medic Course - 22 weeks Pararescue Recovery Specialist Course - 20 weeks Overall, they are a balanced piece of machine. | ||
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
On November 27 2011 21:36 alecspec wrote: No you are wrong. Many of the teams are not comparable to SAS but SEAL team 6 and BUDS for example are among worlds finest SpecOps. Do not think KSK is considered in the same league as SAS and Spetznaz mate. thats the most ridiculous thing. KSK is o ne of THE specops....ofc they play in the same league. KSK plays even in a league above compared to some other specops....u clearly have no idea what the KSK is | ||
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KryptoStorm
England377 Posts
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rpgalon
Brazil1069 Posts
"The day they arrive, they are put on horseback. No saddle. And off they go on a 100km trip on mountainous terrain. And they are not allowed off the horse the entire time. By the time they get to the finish, some of the horses just kill over. Literally. The men are incredibly sore, and their thighs, ass, crotch, unmentionables, is all raw. All the skin is basically gone. Then they are presented with a large vault of industrial-strength detergent, and told to jump-in, ass first. The pain is unreal. Many faint. Those who don't, just get too badly infected to continue on with their training and must quit. And even the quitting ceremony is excessive. Before you can leave, you are required to dig your grave, then lay down in it, put up a plate with your name and date when you quit, and only then you're allowed to leave." the 2 B.O.P.E movies tell how is their real day job. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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