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IMPORTANT: the flights are now covered, and Amanda should be fine: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285511&currentpage=25#487

further donations will be for "paying event salaries (casters, talent, staff, etc.) and other event-related expenses"
jsemmens
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States439 Posts
November 15 2011 03:57 GMT
#501
In fact, IPL is doing more than it has to because originally the $7k was going to go to GUS, but instead they are giving it to Amanda, so they are helping. Plus, IPL is donating advertising revenue (probably several thousand dollars), AND they convinced twitch.tv to donate advertising revenue (another several thousand dollars). I would say that they've done their fair share. (Also, as other have stated, the IPL branch doesn't just have open access to the IGN corporate purse)
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DibujEx
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Chile130 Posts
November 15 2011 03:57 GMT
#502
I cant donate, but I'm actually have the stream all night, I hope it does help at least a little bit.
;D!
Brettatron
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada159 Posts
November 15 2011 03:57 GMT
#503
Uhh... IPL IS directly helping out Amanda. Like.. they were going to stream these games anyways. And run commercials because thats how making money works. And Thus make money. So they are using money to pay Amanda. All of it. Every penny. Thus the profit they would have made by streaming these games they aren't going to make now. They could have said straight up "we're going to pay off her debt" and then take the money from the stream for themself to (virtually) the same effect.

I personally have informed myself by reading all the appropiate threads. With all the information available to me I feel that I can support this cause and did. If you don't feel like you do have enough information you don't have to, and shouldn't. And you are certainly entitled to share your opinion, but don't be a dick about it.
spatz
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany153 Posts
November 15 2011 03:58 GMT
#504
good thing.
P0ckets
Profile Joined January 2011
United States430 Posts
November 15 2011 03:58 GMT
#505
How does no1 on his team AZK know where he is or where he lives? I mean he has to have an address or parents address. So start the bill collecting or sick the lawyers on his ass.
aut0mati0n
Profile Joined May 2011
United States97 Posts
November 15 2011 03:58 GMT
#506
I really can't tell if people are trolling or really have no idea what is going on.

In my opinion, honestly, I think that a charity drive isn't the best idea, and that proper legal action through formal channels would be a better idea.

That being said I've had the stream open all night, and I'm very happy that the community can get together to help someone who is really in a bind due to one greedy promoter.
bibbaly
Profile Joined October 2010
98 Posts
November 15 2011 03:58 GMT
#507
On November 15 2011 12:50 TheLight wrote:

This is the absolute most non legit charity drive. Expecting customers to pay the debts of a business, and a seemingly reckless one is ridiculous.

Remember it's Amanda's travel agency that's liable, not her.

Would you mind donating to a charity for McDonald's because one of their suppliers can't pay? No, didn't think so.


Exactly.

For example helping out when TLO streams for Doctors without Borders is one thing because you know the charity organization is reputable.

Honestly I feel that if I donated, my money would go towards more fraud and fraudulent organizations.
Vindicate
Profile Joined January 2011
United States169 Posts
November 15 2011 03:59 GMT
#508
Are people seriously complaining about IGN and the community trying to help someone who got screwed? I'm totally dumbfounded that people could actually be saying that the community/IGN/no one should be trying to help this poor woman and the others who got the short end of the stick. No, there is no obligation. Who gives a shit if you think she committed some poor business practice? Sometimes in this world what we need to do is band together to help people. This world has enough pointless strife and malcontents, the last thing we need is bitching about donating to help people. If you don't want to donate, fine. Don't donate and get the fuck out of thread.

I'm actually livid. People like Amanda go out of their way to help out and members of the community suggest we just leave her to rot? Pathetic.
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
November 15 2011 03:59 GMT
#509
On November 15 2011 12:58 P0ckets wrote:
How does no1 on his team AZK know where he is or where he lives? I mean he has to have an address or parents address. So start the bill collecting or sick the lawyers on his ass.

I have been playing games on the internet for like 12 years now, not once have I learned the address of somebody that I played with, even if I was being paid. The most I have known is their name.
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 04:00:29
November 15 2011 03:59 GMT
#510
On November 15 2011 12:52 bibbaly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 12:47 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 15 2011 12:46 bibbaly wrote:
Has there been any word at least on IGN's stance on taking legal action?

they said no.


So stupid if that is true. Lets set the standard in ESPORTS by trusting anyone and never pursuing legal matters against scammers and con-men!

Ridiculous.

It might be good principal but with the amount of money that is at stake it isn't really worth it, not to mention how long it would take (legal system can be a bitch). :| They would be going international for law and the cost of pursuing it would far outweigh the amount they are seeking to remedy. Also the money that they are trying to get from the person probably wouldn't exist anyway so it doesn't really serve any purpose.
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Floobie
Profile Joined February 2011
England296 Posts
November 15 2011 04:00 GMT
#511
Im glad Amanda has got enough money from this to pay off her company debts.

I didnt donate but ive kept the stream open for the ads.
Nighthawks28
Profile Joined June 2011
United States232 Posts
November 15 2011 04:00 GMT
#512
On November 15 2011 12:50 SCST wrote:
Folks I have to agree with some of the people questioning IGN here. I am a fan of IGN, and I know that IGN has a LOT of money. So can someone from IGN please explain why this large corporation cannot help Amanda out directly instead of begging the fans for donations?

Would be nice to see more than a handful of U.S. companies open their wallets for charity once in a while. Especially when said company is directly related to the charity "issue" or "reason". Though as someone who previously worked in corporate America (the pinnacle of selfish capitalism), I've learned not to expect much.

There is no debate from me that Amanda needs help. I do debate, however, the selfish path that this is heading down. If IGN wants to "make things right", and is capable of doing so themselves (yes, IGN is capable), then do it. Don't ask others to do it for you.


This is ridiculous. IPL still has budgets from the bigger corporate people of IGN. IPL cannot simply give out free money. They already sponsored the event with $14,000. And you want them to give out free money? LOL You might as well ask why other large organizations aren't just giving out free money to the millions of people that are in need. IGN is just being nice by setting up a charity event. You don't have to donate.
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 04:03:25
November 15 2011 04:00 GMT
#513
On November 15 2011 12:53 FeartheAsian117 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 12:50 SCST wrote:
Folks I have to agree with some of the people questioning IGN here. I am a fan of IGN, and I know that IGN has a LOT of money. So can someone from IGN please explain why this large corporation cannot help Amanda out directly instead of begging the fans for donations?

Would be nice to see more than a handful of U.S. companies open their wallets for charity once in a while. Especially when said company is directly related to the charity "issue" or "reason". Though as someone who previously worked in corporate America (the pinnacle of selfish capitalism), I've learned not to expect much.

There is no debate from me that Amanda needs help. I do debate, however, the selfish path that this is heading down. If IGN wants to "make things right", and is capable of doing so themselves (yes, IGN is capable), then do it. Don't ask others to do it for you.



They are. Theyre donating $7000 to her cause.


donating? where does it say that? it seems they just provided the remaining sponsorship dollars they said they were going to pay which was established before the event.

I wish we could just come in on a white horse and right all the wrongs, but we want to share more inside info why that's difficult. Our sponsorship of the event was only $14k, of which we gave Gus 50% before the event. To ensure that the event would be successful, we withheld the remaining $7k. This will not pay for even half of what's been reported he owes. We will work on evaluating where to best allocate the remaining funds.


also i'm not trying to shit on IGN. they've done a good job with past events. I just don't like how they handled this particular situation.
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
November 15 2011 04:00 GMT
#514
On November 15 2011 12:52 amanduh wrote:
To the community

Thanks you so much in supporting the cause. i dont think my post can encompass how grateul i am. IGN has informed me that theres enough to cover the cost of flying in everyone to Manila.

To the knights who donated, watched, spread the word

Thank again (ill never forget what the community has done. )

Oh yes with much love and gratitude
-amanda

Glad to hear it

Now, what happens to the extra money? Imho, IPL can keep it.
bibbaly
Profile Joined October 2010
98 Posts
November 15 2011 04:01 GMT
#515
On November 15 2011 12:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 12:52 bibbaly wrote:
On November 15 2011 12:47 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 15 2011 12:46 bibbaly wrote:
Has there been any word at least on IGN's stance on taking legal action?

they said no.


So stupid if that is true. Lets set the standard in ESPORTS by trusting anyone and never pursuing legal matters against scammers and con-men!

Ridiculous.

maybe you should read the thread and why they arent doing it before forming baseless opinions.



If YOU PERSONALLY got scammed for 24k would you roll over and not pursue?
midgettoes
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia180 Posts
November 15 2011 04:02 GMT
#516
On November 15 2011 12:58 bibbaly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 12:50 TheLight wrote:

This is the absolute most non legit charity drive. Expecting customers to pay the debts of a business, and a seemingly reckless one is ridiculous.

Remember it's Amanda's travel agency that's liable, not her.

Would you mind donating to a charity for McDonald's because one of their suppliers can't pay? No, didn't think so.


Exactly.

For example helping out when TLO streams for Doctors without Borders is one thing because you know the charity organization is reputable.

Honestly I feel that if I donated, my money would go towards more fraud and fraudulent organizations.


How do people still not understand this wasn't IPL's responsibilty? They didn't organise the tournament. They didn't leave the bad debt. They sponsored a tournament that went bad and are now trying to help rectify the issues.

It would be like GSkill/LG/Coke/whoever currently is sponsoring GSL, trying to redirect profits to GOM if GSL failed. People need to understand what is actually being done, and where the faults lie, before they make comments like this.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
November 15 2011 04:03 GMT
#517
On November 15 2011 13:01 bibbaly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 12:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 15 2011 12:52 bibbaly wrote:
On November 15 2011 12:47 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 15 2011 12:46 bibbaly wrote:
Has there been any word at least on IGN's stance on taking legal action?

they said no.


So stupid if that is true. Lets set the standard in ESPORTS by trusting anyone and never pursuing legal matters against scammers and con-men!

Ridiculous.

maybe you should read the thread and why they arent doing it before forming baseless opinions.



If YOU PERSONALLY got scammed for 24k would you roll over and not pursue?

if i PERSONALLY got scammed for 24k, i wouldn't spend 50k to get that money back. ever heard the saying dont throw good money after bad?
jsemmens
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States439 Posts
November 15 2011 04:03 GMT
#518
I think everyone is forgetting that the Philippines legal system is broken. That means that pursuing legal action may be impossible (remember that this is a 3rd world country). Not everywhere is as easy to live in as America...
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TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
November 15 2011 04:03 GMT
#519
On November 15 2011 13:01 bibbaly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 12:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 15 2011 12:52 bibbaly wrote:
On November 15 2011 12:47 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 15 2011 12:46 bibbaly wrote:
Has there been any word at least on IGN's stance on taking legal action?

they said no.


So stupid if that is true. Lets set the standard in ESPORTS by trusting anyone and never pursuing legal matters against scammers and con-men!

Ridiculous.

maybe you should read the thread and why they arent doing it before forming baseless opinions.



If YOU PERSONALLY got scammed for 24k would you roll over and not pursue?

In what way did he fully scam? Is there proof that he ran off with all of the money? The event ran, even though there were some major hitches, and the deal with amanda wasnt contracted. Legally, there might not be anything to pursue. Yes, he is a jackass that mishandled the event and (in my perfect world) would be held accountable and have justice happen... but in the real world this might not even be possible.
JesusOurSaviour
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 04:06:09
November 15 2011 04:05 GMT
#520
On November 15 2011 13:03 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 13:01 bibbaly wrote:
On November 15 2011 12:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 15 2011 12:52 bibbaly wrote:
On November 15 2011 12:47 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 15 2011 12:46 bibbaly wrote:
Has there been any word at least on IGN's stance on taking legal action?

they said no.


So stupid if that is true. Lets set the standard in ESPORTS by trusting anyone and never pursuing legal matters against scammers and con-men!

Ridiculous.

maybe you should read the thread and why they arent doing it before forming baseless opinions.



If YOU PERSONALLY got scammed for 24k would you roll over and not pursue?

In what way did he fully scam? Is there proof that he ran off with all of the money? The event ran, even though there were some major hitches, and the deal with amanda wasnt contracted. Legally, there might not be anything to pursue. Yes, he is a jackass that mishandled the event and (in my perfect world) would be held accountable and have justice happen... but in the real world this might not even be possible.
You sir, have no clue what you are talking about nor about the things which you make confident assertions of. Use the "search" bar on the top right of Team liquid, look up PPSL, Gus Ledesma, YoonYJ, Dox and other keywords. Once you've read all the threads and applied some intellect to sorting them out, then you'll see the full story. Until then it's bad to talk trash.
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