EPTIPL Charity Stream to Support Amanda (PPSL) 11/14 - Page 26
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IMPORTANT: the flights are now covered, and Amanda should be fine: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285511¤tpage=25#487 further donations will be for "paying event salaries (casters, talent, staff, etc.) and other event-related expenses" | ||
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jsemmens
United States439 Posts
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DibujEx
Chile130 Posts
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Brettatron
Canada159 Posts
I personally have informed myself by reading all the appropiate threads. With all the information available to me I feel that I can support this cause and did. If you don't feel like you do have enough information you don't have to, and shouldn't. And you are certainly entitled to share your opinion, but don't be a dick about it. | ||
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spatz
Germany153 Posts
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P0ckets
United States430 Posts
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aut0mati0n
United States97 Posts
In my opinion, honestly, I think that a charity drive isn't the best idea, and that proper legal action through formal channels would be a better idea. That being said I've had the stream open all night, and I'm very happy that the community can get together to help someone who is really in a bind due to one greedy promoter. | ||
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bibbaly
98 Posts
On November 15 2011 12:50 TheLight wrote: This is the absolute most non legit charity drive. Expecting customers to pay the debts of a business, and a seemingly reckless one is ridiculous. Remember it's Amanda's travel agency that's liable, not her. Would you mind donating to a charity for McDonald's because one of their suppliers can't pay? No, didn't think so. Exactly. For example helping out when TLO streams for Doctors without Borders is one thing because you know the charity organization is reputable. Honestly I feel that if I donated, my money would go towards more fraud and fraudulent organizations. | ||
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Vindicate
United States169 Posts
I'm actually livid. People like Amanda go out of their way to help out and members of the community suggest we just leave her to rot? Pathetic. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On November 15 2011 12:58 P0ckets wrote: How does no1 on his team AZK know where he is or where he lives? I mean he has to have an address or parents address. So start the bill collecting or sick the lawyers on his ass. I have been playing games on the internet for like 12 years now, not once have I learned the address of somebody that I played with, even if I was being paid. The most I have known is their name. | ||
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SenorChang
Australia4729 Posts
On November 15 2011 12:52 bibbaly wrote: So stupid if that is true. Lets set the standard in ESPORTS by trusting anyone and never pursuing legal matters against scammers and con-men! Ridiculous. It might be good principal but with the amount of money that is at stake it isn't really worth it, not to mention how long it would take (legal system can be a bitch). :| They would be going international for law and the cost of pursuing it would far outweigh the amount they are seeking to remedy. Also the money that they are trying to get from the person probably wouldn't exist anyway so it doesn't really serve any purpose. | ||
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Floobie
England296 Posts
I didnt donate but ive kept the stream open for the ads. | ||
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Nighthawks28
United States232 Posts
On November 15 2011 12:50 SCST wrote: Folks I have to agree with some of the people questioning IGN here. I am a fan of IGN, and I know that IGN has a LOT of money. So can someone from IGN please explain why this large corporation cannot help Amanda out directly instead of begging the fans for donations? Would be nice to see more than a handful of U.S. companies open their wallets for charity once in a while. Especially when said company is directly related to the charity "issue" or "reason". Though as someone who previously worked in corporate America (the pinnacle of selfish capitalism), I've learned not to expect much. There is no debate from me that Amanda needs help. I do debate, however, the selfish path that this is heading down. If IGN wants to "make things right", and is capable of doing so themselves (yes, IGN is capable), then do it. Don't ask others to do it for you. This is ridiculous. IPL still has budgets from the bigger corporate people of IGN. IPL cannot simply give out free money. They already sponsored the event with $14,000. And you want them to give out free money? LOL You might as well ask why other large organizations aren't just giving out free money to the millions of people that are in need. IGN is just being nice by setting up a charity event. You don't have to donate. | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On November 15 2011 12:53 FeartheAsian117 wrote: They are. Theyre donating $7000 to her cause. donating? where does it say that? it seems they just provided the remaining sponsorship dollars they said they were going to pay which was established before the event. I wish we could just come in on a white horse and right all the wrongs, but we want to share more inside info why that's difficult. Our sponsorship of the event was only $14k, of which we gave Gus 50% before the event. To ensure that the event would be successful, we withheld the remaining $7k. This will not pay for even half of what's been reported he owes. We will work on evaluating where to best allocate the remaining funds. also i'm not trying to shit on IGN. they've done a good job with past events. I just don't like how they handled this particular situation. | ||
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
On November 15 2011 12:52 amanduh wrote: To the community Thanks you so much in supporting the cause. i dont think my post can encompass how grateul i am. IGN has informed me that theres enough to cover the cost of flying in everyone to Manila. To the knights who donated, watched, spread the word Thank again (ill never forget what the community has done.  )Oh yes with much love and gratitude -amanda Glad to hear it Now, what happens to the extra money? Imho, IPL can keep it. | ||
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bibbaly
98 Posts
On November 15 2011 12:55 dAPhREAk wrote: maybe you should read the thread and why they arent doing it before forming baseless opinions. If YOU PERSONALLY got scammed for 24k would you roll over and not pursue? | ||
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midgettoes
Australia180 Posts
On November 15 2011 12:58 bibbaly wrote: Exactly. For example helping out when TLO streams for Doctors without Borders is one thing because you know the charity organization is reputable. Honestly I feel that if I donated, my money would go towards more fraud and fraudulent organizations. How do people still not understand this wasn't IPL's responsibilty? They didn't organise the tournament. They didn't leave the bad debt. They sponsored a tournament that went bad and are now trying to help rectify the issues. It would be like GSkill/LG/Coke/whoever currently is sponsoring GSL, trying to redirect profits to GOM if GSL failed. People need to understand what is actually being done, and where the faults lie, before they make comments like this. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On November 15 2011 13:01 bibbaly wrote: If YOU PERSONALLY got scammed for 24k would you roll over and not pursue? if i PERSONALLY got scammed for 24k, i wouldn't spend 50k to get that money back. ever heard the saying dont throw good money after bad? | ||
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jsemmens
United States439 Posts
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On November 15 2011 13:01 bibbaly wrote: If YOU PERSONALLY got scammed for 24k would you roll over and not pursue? In what way did he fully scam? Is there proof that he ran off with all of the money? The event ran, even though there were some major hitches, and the deal with amanda wasnt contracted. Legally, there might not be anything to pursue. Yes, he is a jackass that mishandled the event and (in my perfect world) would be held accountable and have justice happen... but in the real world this might not even be possible. | ||
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JesusOurSaviour
United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
On November 15 2011 13:03 TheRabidDeer wrote: You sir, have no clue what you are talking about nor about the things which you make confident assertions of. Use the "search" bar on the top right of Team liquid, look up PPSL, Gus Ledesma, YoonYJ, Dox and other keywords. Once you've read all the threads and applied some intellect to sorting them out, then you'll see the full story. Until then it's bad to talk trash.In what way did he fully scam? Is there proof that he ran off with all of the money? The event ran, even though there were some major hitches, and the deal with amanda wasnt contracted. Legally, there might not be anything to pursue. Yes, he is a jackass that mishandled the event and (in my perfect world) would be held accountable and have justice happen... but in the real world this might not even be possible. | ||
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