EPT[D] Why don't Protoss... ? - Page 4
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SoKHo
Korea (South)1081 Posts
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Supah
708 Posts
On September 10 2011 03:40 Manical wrote: Why don't protoss spread their units and use hallucinated collossi to make infestors useless, instead of whining about them? Terrans spread their marines against banelings, why is it so hard for protoss? And don't say detection counters hallucination, what zerg brings an overseer into every battle against protoss? It's a double edged sword. With a spread, Infestors will be less effective, but the lings will be exponentially better. In regards to hallucination, Sentries almost never get reproduced- they cost too much gas, when you need it to get your T3 units/upgrades for those units. That first push where Sentries are around usually means the Toss techs during that time (which is why you get Sentries, to delay). And if you're being offensive with Sentries, then that's the timing before Infestors come around. Also why don't protoss use blink stalkers to harass lategame? They are insanely mobile and can easily snipe queens and drones. You don't need dark templar or air units to harass. It's extremely dependent on the map and where everything is arranged. Generally, creep spread, the speed of slings and the threat of 1 Fungal throwing away your army means 1 DT (which can't do as much, but does enough to be respectable) or air units (which can outrun/out maneuver) are preferable. However, I think I'd agree, I don't think there's much practice and knowledge about just where you can blink to and from. Why does protoss attack into broodlords? You wouldn't a-move into 20 siege tanks, but you a-move into 20 broodlords mindlessly and then cry op. Bad control, same as why you a-move into Siege Tanks. Usually Toss is FORCED to do it, like breaking a contain. | ||
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Zaragon
Sweden235 Posts
If you spread gateway units, mass lings from a Z on even just one base over the P are way too cost efficient. Hallucinations are ok if they catch the Z unawares, but a single overseer ruins your day (even if you Blink snipe it, the Z has time to see which Colossi are hallucinated). The reason Ps tend to attack into Broodlords is that the P lategame units are just as immobile as the Broods. Any time Broods are not over Spines is the one timing to attack them, pretty much have to do it. I have seen some success with mass Zealot basetrade vs Broods, in which case if you can avoid a direct engagement with Broods (broods are by the way the best units in the game to force engagements due to the broodling mechanic, in my opinion) you can clean up the Z bases faster. Problem is, that requires the P to get up a fourth base (or on some maps a third) far away from their current bases so that they can keep producing air units or stalkers and eventually whittle down the broodlords. Getting that extra base is extremely difficult unless the Z gets greedy and tries to get 2 bases ahead instead of 1. | ||
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imbecile
563 Posts
On September 10 2011 03:51 Alejandrisha wrote: This thread is an insult Yes. | ||
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Truedot
444 Posts
you don't produce mass carriers or BCs, you make two or three. They're far more powerful like this, and you can afford their loss. and a pretty accurate one. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
I think what "Big A" wanted to say here was that you just did the equivalent of walking into a room full of Terran people and asking them why they don't support their TvP Marine Marauder composition with Medivacs and Battlecruisers. We've been using medivacs for ages and the battlecruiser suggestion just sounds bad. In the same regard, a lot of this stuff you've suggested is considered standard and used all the time at high levels of play, and some of it seems ridiculous and nonsensical. I think you could do a better job, moving forward in this thread, of articulating yourself-- a lot of this seems a little on the aggressive side, especially accusing Protoss players as being uncreative, when in fact the Protoss community is just like the rest of the Sc2 community: constantly innovating. | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
Never post in the strategy forum again. | ||
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