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On September 09 2011 08:50 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 08:49 Larias wrote:On September 09 2011 08:44 Mindcrime wrote:On September 09 2011 08:41 Larias wrote:"...a dick that isn't callused and scarred" Using scare tactics is only OK when you're using it to justify your point of view, I see. Hypocrisy has clearly blinded the author. There is no attempt to be impartial whatsoever, and I do not see why it has been left open. Scarred is a perfectly accurate description of a circumcised penis. Selective reading is the best. It's incredibly obvious the OP wrote the article knowing which he supported, and made no effort to hide his bias. Don't see any point in arguing that. Why should he hide anything? He's not a fucking journalist writing a front page story.
He purports to present a factual article about a topic to generate discussion. It is actually borderline propaganda, and has no discussion value. That is the problem.
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The one thing that truly pisses me off is how circumcised men at birth claim how great being cut is. How can you tell when you've got no relativity.
Here's my own personal experience. I was circumcised as an adult.
First thing I would like to say is it FUCKING HURTS WOW. I couldn't walk for atleast 2 weeks after. The morning after I awoke to a puddle of blood on my bed that easily went through the sheets and into the mattress. Scared the shit out of me.
I lost alot of sensitivity over time after the surgery but for me that was a good thing. I was way too sensitive before that crossed over to pain at times. Now its less sensitive but all pleasure.
I also found it much cleaner overall. Like in the summers when I was intact all the sweat/sigma created this stink that i hated. I pretty much had to shower 3 times a day but now its never a worry.
Overall I think I do prefer being cut but I will say that If I had a son, I would not have him circumcised. I think its pretty unethnical to perform a surgery on a child thats pretty close to a cosmetic surgery.
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On September 09 2011 08:52 Giant Squid Thing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 08:27 DoubleReed wrote:
What is female circumcision?! Seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "out little girls" and then say "whether it's a girl or a boy." What?!
Anyway, circumcision is a fundamental part of the Jewish religion. There is only one medical procedure described in the bible and that is circumcision. It is almost entirely a cosmetic procedure. Stop making a big deal out of it.
And where did you get that circumcised men feel inferiority? If anything, it makes it look larger and more robust. In fact, I've heard the opposite. Hell, I know a guy who's girlfriend actually broke out into laughter because she'd never seen an uncircumcised penis before, so he actually asked his mom if he could get circumcised. I have yet to hear of a woman who preferred an uncircumcised penis. lol??? jesus.. america.. This has to be trolling! "some random teenage girl doesn't know what a dick looks like, mum... mutilate me" that cannot have ever fucking happened lol
Yea, it sounded like the most hilariously awkward conversation a teen could have with their mom.
I'm tired of this 'mutilation' jargon though. Complete 100% bullshit scare tactics. There's nothing mutilation-y about circumcision.
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I think people are getting caught up here - maybe the OP is arguing against circumcision under any circumstances, which IMO is a bit stupid. It's a medical procedure sometimes necessary to help a man with whatever problems he might be experiencing - somtimes a circumcision is necessary for a happier and more fulfilled life. My question is why is circumcision practically an automatic thing in the US?
I understand the religious argument for Jewish people. I'm just waiting for a convincing reason why someone would choose to have their child cut. Is it really just down to a cosmetic reason? Doesn't that worry you that a person could have their child surgically altered and suffer pain simply because 'it looks better' when they are older?
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On September 09 2011 08:44 Endymion wrote:
circumcised penises are the bomb. that picture of an uncircumcised one looks like an egg from Aliens..
a regular vagina looks like the predator without a mask from alien vs predator
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Personally I think circumcision is pretty fucking stupid (obviously I'm not talking about it when it's a necessary medical procedure) but honestly, it's not a big deal. I find it really weird how common it is in the US though. . .I guess it's just a cultural thing to want your kid's penis to look a certain way, but that seems rather odd to me.
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This tends to look like a debate of Europe vs America on this forum. I never imagined that so many americans were circumcised :O
The "it looks better" factor is just weird...
I understand doing it if you're a jew but why would you do it otherwise ?
I read that it was usefull 2000 years ago when everybody didn't systematicly have showers and soap but nowadays... cmon.... You can keep your penis clean without surgery. billions of men can attest that.
Once again I have nothing against circumcision in itself, just that in our modern society, we can wait for the majority and self decison before doing that
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On September 09 2011 08:54 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 08:52 Myles wrote:On September 09 2011 08:50 Mindcrime wrote:On September 09 2011 08:49 Larias wrote:On September 09 2011 08:44 Mindcrime wrote:On September 09 2011 08:41 Larias wrote:"...a dick that isn't callused and scarred" Using scare tactics is only OK when you're using it to justify your point of view, I see. Hypocrisy has clearly blinded the author. There is no attempt to be impartial whatsoever, and I do not see why it has been left open. Scarred is a perfectly accurate description of a circumcised penis. Selective reading is the best. It's incredibly obvious the OP wrote the article knowing which he supported, and made no effort to hide his bias. Don't see any point in arguing that. Why should he hide anything? He's not a fucking journalist writing a front page story. Being so biased lowers your credibility. If he wants to actually convince anybody he at least needs to make an attempt to add some neutrality. Pretty sure it's more to raise awarness than anything. He even says he's biased and he's not pretending he's not if you read the OP.
Whatever he wants to do, people will simply reject his ideas on principle when it is so obviously biased. He if presented the facts as just that, facts, and let people draw their own conclusions, then this would be more successful. By saying "I have an agenda" you give credibility to the idea that everything you say is bullshit because you want to push a point.
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On September 09 2011 08:55 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 08:52 Giant Squid Thing wrote:On September 09 2011 08:27 DoubleReed wrote:
What is female circumcision?! Seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "out little girls" and then say "whether it's a girl or a boy." What?!
Anyway, circumcision is a fundamental part of the Jewish religion. There is only one medical procedure described in the bible and that is circumcision. It is almost entirely a cosmetic procedure. Stop making a big deal out of it.
And where did you get that circumcised men feel inferiority? If anything, it makes it look larger and more robust. In fact, I've heard the opposite. Hell, I know a guy who's girlfriend actually broke out into laughter because she'd never seen an uncircumcised penis before, so he actually asked his mom if he could get circumcised. I have yet to hear of a woman who preferred an uncircumcised penis. lol??? jesus.. america.. This has to be trolling! "some random teenage girl doesn't know what a dick looks like, mum... mutilate me" that cannot have ever fucking happened lol Yea, it sounded like the most hilariously awkward conversation a teen could have with their mom. I'm tired of this 'mutilation' jargon though. Complete 100% bullshit scare tactics. There's nothing mutilation-y about circumcision.
Mutilation:
To disfigure by damaging irreparably...
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Unfortunately, the OP forgot to mention the actual benefits of circumcision. Medical crocs exist in all fields and always will, one of the latest being "alkaline water". Although there is social pressure involved, I think that at least some parents do some research into risk vs. reward. One such potential risk, and one with unexpectedly high odds, is for the skin that one would have been removed in the procedure "catching" on the penis in some old men, cutting off blood circulation. I have been circumcised, and doing fine with none of the problems listed affecting me.
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People defending an irrational cultural tradition because it's tradition. Surprise!
You might as well discuss religion. This shows the true face of man.
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On September 09 2011 08:55 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 08:44 Endymion wrote:
circumcised penises are the bomb. that picture of an uncircumcised one looks like an egg from Aliens.. a regular vagina looks like the predator without a mask from alien vs predator
Hidden messages in the Alien vs Predator series ~~~~~~~~~~
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On September 09 2011 08:58 Interloper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 08:55 DoubleReed wrote:On September 09 2011 08:52 Giant Squid Thing wrote:On September 09 2011 08:27 DoubleReed wrote:
What is female circumcision?! Seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "out little girls" and then say "whether it's a girl or a boy." What?!
Anyway, circumcision is a fundamental part of the Jewish religion. There is only one medical procedure described in the bible and that is circumcision. It is almost entirely a cosmetic procedure. Stop making a big deal out of it.
And where did you get that circumcised men feel inferiority? If anything, it makes it look larger and more robust. In fact, I've heard the opposite. Hell, I know a guy who's girlfriend actually broke out into laughter because she'd never seen an uncircumcised penis before, so he actually asked his mom if he could get circumcised. I have yet to hear of a woman who preferred an uncircumcised penis. lol??? jesus.. america.. This has to be trolling! "some random teenage girl doesn't know what a dick looks like, mum... mutilate me" that cannot have ever fucking happened lol Yea, it sounded like the most hilariously awkward conversation a teen could have with their mom. I'm tired of this 'mutilation' jargon though. Complete 100% bullshit scare tactics. There's nothing mutilation-y about circumcision. Mutilation: To disfigure by damaging irreparably...
So would you say tattoos and piercings are self-mutiliation?
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I personally believe that circumcision should be illegal but I would not go out of my way to do so. I would look at 1000 other issues before I even consider circumcision (unless it is female, that is a whole different issue) A bad economy could kill much more than a a circumcision gone wrong.
That be said, I am one of the very few people in my town that has not been circumcised. And I prefer uncircumcised penises because I thought everyone had the same dick as me for the longest time...plus...it is aesthetically more appealing to me.
But about the aesthetic appeal, would you go to Africa, Bangladesh, or some other very poor nation and would you consider their women to be the ideal women you would put on TV? The appeal to the men is big women are beautiful but here, it is another story so I guess it is how you were raised.
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I'm circumcised and I love it. Having a great sexual life too.
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On September 09 2011 09:01 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 08:58 Interloper wrote:On September 09 2011 08:55 DoubleReed wrote:On September 09 2011 08:52 Giant Squid Thing wrote:On September 09 2011 08:27 DoubleReed wrote:
What is female circumcision?! Seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "out little girls" and then say "whether it's a girl or a boy." What?!
Anyway, circumcision is a fundamental part of the Jewish religion. There is only one medical procedure described in the bible and that is circumcision. It is almost entirely a cosmetic procedure. Stop making a big deal out of it.
And where did you get that circumcised men feel inferiority? If anything, it makes it look larger and more robust. In fact, I've heard the opposite. Hell, I know a guy who's girlfriend actually broke out into laughter because she'd never seen an uncircumcised penis before, so he actually asked his mom if he could get circumcised. I have yet to hear of a woman who preferred an uncircumcised penis. lol??? jesus.. america.. This has to be trolling! "some random teenage girl doesn't know what a dick looks like, mum... mutilate me" that cannot have ever fucking happened lol Yea, it sounded like the most hilariously awkward conversation a teen could have with their mom. I'm tired of this 'mutilation' jargon though. Complete 100% bullshit scare tactics. There's nothing mutilation-y about circumcision. Mutilation: To disfigure by damaging irreparably... So would you say tattoos and piercings are self-mutiliation?
The debate between mutilation vs modification is HUGE. They have freaking documentaries about that stuff. Best to leave it alone and stay on topic as much as possible.
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well my couison just had to be circumcised for medical reasons sooo........
EDIT he's 13
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On September 09 2011 09:01 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 08:58 Interloper wrote:On September 09 2011 08:55 DoubleReed wrote:On September 09 2011 08:52 Giant Squid Thing wrote:On September 09 2011 08:27 DoubleReed wrote:
What is female circumcision?! Seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "out little girls" and then say "whether it's a girl or a boy." What?!
Anyway, circumcision is a fundamental part of the Jewish religion. There is only one medical procedure described in the bible and that is circumcision. It is almost entirely a cosmetic procedure. Stop making a big deal out of it.
And where did you get that circumcised men feel inferiority? If anything, it makes it look larger and more robust. In fact, I've heard the opposite. Hell, I know a guy who's girlfriend actually broke out into laughter because she'd never seen an uncircumcised penis before, so he actually asked his mom if he could get circumcised. I have yet to hear of a woman who preferred an uncircumcised penis. lol??? jesus.. america.. This has to be trolling! "some random teenage girl doesn't know what a dick looks like, mum... mutilate me" that cannot have ever fucking happened lol Yea, it sounded like the most hilariously awkward conversation a teen could have with their mom. I'm tired of this 'mutilation' jargon though. Complete 100% bullshit scare tactics. There's nothing mutilation-y about circumcision. Mutilation: To disfigure by damaging irreparably... So would you say tattoos and piercings are self-mutiliation?
Holes from piercings heal. And tattoos can be removed, but may/will leave som scarring, so no and yes i guess...
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On September 09 2011 09:03 BobTheLob wrote:
well my couison just had to be circumcised for medical reasons sooo........
EDIT he's 13
If it's for a medical reason, I don't think anyone's going to say, "lol, no, he shouldn't have done it. that's stupid."
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