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Sanctimonius
United Kingdom861 Posts
On September 09 2011 09:01 DoubleReed wrote: So would you say tattoos and piercings are self-mutiliation? Well, in a strict sense they are.... I'm not sure why you find a problem with this. Is it just a question of terminology? We're not trying to say it's bad, it's just the correct term... Then again, it doesn't really matter in this discussion  | ||
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flodeskum
Iceland1267 Posts
On September 09 2011 08:26 phosphorylation wrote: Good luck trying to convince the other side that his penis is in an inferior form, on the internet no less. This, circumcision debates on the internets don't really make for great discussion. Personally I don't see how, in 2011, you could justify doing it to babies. Some people feel the need to get circumcised later in life due to some problems with their foreskin. Perhaps some people would choose to have it done for aesthetic reasons. But taking the choice away from someone due to some bronze-age superstition doesn't seem reasonable. | ||
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SilverLeagueElite
United States626 Posts
Statue of David was considered the perfect male until times changed and certain people began pushing the idea that a cut penis is nice while the uncut penis is aesthetically nasty. The male ego is a fragile thing especially when it comes to the penis. | ||
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h41fgod
Sweden377 Posts
On September 09 2011 08:12 Harrow wrote: Circumcised people in this thread seem to think that it's some kind of inconvenient nightmare to clean yourself when you're not circumcised. It's really, really not. It's also baffling to me that "it looks better" is actually an argument. What other kinds of cosmetic surgery do we perform on babies? And "I don't remember it" doesn't work for me either. I mean, I could punch ten babies in the face and none of them would remember it when they grew up. Still think I'd be arrested for punching babies in the face for no reason. These three points very thoroughly win this thread. Oh, and why does so many of the circumcised posters in this thread completely fly off the rails about the whole claim towards them having inferiority complex? Aggressive posting is not really helping your side of that argument (as that is exactly what someone with an inferiority complex would do. Btw, I thought the inferiority complex thing was BS. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On September 09 2011 09:03 Interloper wrote: Holes from piercings heal. And tattoos can be removed, but may/will leave som scarring, so no and yes i guess... Holes from piercings do not always heal. Tattoos are rarely removed and it's a much more expensive, painful procedure. It's simply a matter of language. How am I suppose to have a legitimate conversation for why circumcision should be perfectly legal when people are saying that that means I must be for mutilating babies? Like what the hell. This conversation will go nowhere. | ||
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Karliath
United States2214 Posts
On September 09 2011 09:06 SilverLeagueElite wrote: A circumcised penis looks the same as an uncircumcised one when fully erect and foreskin pulled back. Dunno how some people can say one or the other is nicer looking. Unless you're comparing them when flacid but I'm going to assume women are less interested in limp dicks. Statue of David was considered the perfect male until times changed and certain people began pushing the idea that a cut penis is nice while the uncut penis is aesthetically nasty. The male ego is a fragile thing especially when it comes to the penis. IMO, I think uncircumcised posters are talking about aesthetics because they don't know/understand how an uncircumcised penis looks/functions. | ||
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pwncakery
Canada131 Posts
I'm just getting back to class, but isn't 73/5400 1.4% rather than 0.014%? | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
On September 09 2011 08:30 Mindcrime wrote: I prefer a pretty pussy, so I'm going to snip my daughter's labia a little bit. It's just aesthetics man! don't worry about it! like wtf Apparently this is perfectly reasonable if it is done to boys not girls. If I remember correctly, placing any sharp object on a vagina is illegal in the US. I might be remembering this wrong, but there were African immigrants who wanted to meet their religious requirement of female circumcision by pricking the labia with a needle; it was ruled solidly illegal and a form of mutilation. | ||
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zeru
8156 Posts
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
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Karliath
United States2214 Posts
On September 09 2011 09:08 pwncakery wrote: "The claim that circumcision protects against HIV is based on 5,400 circumcisions protecting (perhaps) just 73 men. This is protecting a tiny amount of 0.014% of all circumcised men. (source from The Intactivism Pages)" I'm just getting back to class, but isn't 73/5400 1.4% rather than 0.014%? I don't know about you guys, but F circumcision/no circumcision, it's already gg if the HIV is on my dick. | ||
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No_Roo
United States905 Posts
Who am I to mandate onto my son what his genitals should look like. I could no sooner do that than I could mandate breast impants for my daughter. | ||
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SonicTitan
United States249 Posts
But what really prompted me to post was OP's assertion that I, as a circumcised male, feel "inferior" because I experience "less" sexual pleasure than uncircumcised men. So first of all; fuck you, OP, you don't know the first goddamned thing about how I feel in bed, nor my performance in it. Second of all, I don't think most men would disagree when I said that a certain amount of psychological sexual pleasure is derived from pleasing your partner. Being able to bring a woman to orgasm multiple times is considered a sign of masculinity and verility, and if a circumcision helps me achieve that, then it would actually have the exact opposite effect that OP claims. You can pull skewed statistics from your ass in argument against circumcision all you want, but when you start claiming that I personally feel inferior for it (or even better, that my father had me circumcised because HE feels inferior) that's a personal attack. You really expect to win people over that way? | ||
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Diks
Belgium1880 Posts
On September 09 2011 09:09 zeru wrote: I thought the inferiority complex thing was completely made up nonsense too, but after reading this thread...i dunno <.< CMON I'M CIRCUMCISED AND MY GF LOVES IT !! Kidding but this kind of posts looks like the stereotype of an inferiority complexe... | ||
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Interloper
Sweden217 Posts
On September 09 2011 09:07 DoubleReed wrote: Holes from piercings do not always heal. Tattoos are rarely removed and it's a much more expensive, painful procedure. It's simply a matter of language. How am I suppose to have a legitimate conversation for why circumcision should be perfectly legal when people are saying that that means I must be for mutilating babies? Like what the hell. This conversation will go nowhere. Well, then i guess you could call both mutilation. I don't know why i brought it up since it's not that important, but it is what the word means. And i agree with you that this will most likely go nowhere... | ||
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Tippecanoe
United States342 Posts
Both have their advantages and disadvantages and some girls like or hate the appearance of either one. Shut the fuck up this is a stupid topic. It's all about preference. | ||
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MaKfejA
Canada117 Posts
Having been with a few girls, only one ever even commented on it. It was her first uncut ever. She said it was "fun to play with" and felt more "alive". I don't know what she meant, exactly, but the point is that not all girls prefer cut. If a girl is so shallow as to care or judge you based on what your penis looks like, then it's a safe bet you probably shouldn't be having sex with her anyway. No one in this thread is ever going to agree with the other standpoint. No one is ever going to convince anyone. No experiment nor anything posted in this thread has been statistically significant or scientifically valid. Just be happy with what you've got. ^^ | ||
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Beorning
United States243 Posts
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No_Roo
United States905 Posts
On September 09 2011 09:09 zeru wrote: I thought the inferiority complex thing was completely made up nonsense too, but after reading this thread...i dunno <.< Yeah.. the citation for such an inferiority complex existing could simply link back to this thread as far as I'm concerned... the justifications that attempt to rationalize forcing this procedure onto an infant are absurd at best, and malicious at worst. I see dictionary references for the phrases used to describe a circumcision, and only silly insults to depict the appearance of some one natural... EDIT: To be clear, I don't think the difference is enough to justify the feelings of inferiority being displayed. If you're cut, it's okay, it's not such a big deal, some people think it looks better any way, so just get over it. But don't force that onto your children, let them decide... | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
On September 09 2011 09:10 SonicTitan wrote: I've always found the arguments against circumcision (a relatively new phenomenon, I'd like to note) to be complete bullshit - comparisons to genital mutilation are not only untrue, but degrade what that word actually means when applied to what happens to baby girls in certain parts of the world every day. But what really prompted me to post was OP's assertion that I, as a circumcised male, feel "inferior" because I experience "less" sexual pleasure than uncircumcised men. So first of all; fuck you, OP, you don't know the first goddamned thing about how I feel in bed, nor my performance in it. Second of all, I don't think most men would disagree when I said that a certain amount of psychological sexual pleasure is derived from pleasing your partner. Being able to bring a woman to orgasm multiple times is considered a sign of masculinity and verility, and if a circumcision helps me achieve that, then it would actually have the exact opposite effect that OP claims. You can pull skewed statistics from your ass in argument against circumcision all you want, but when you start claiming that I personally feel inferior for it (or even better, that my father had me circumcised because HE feels inferior) that's a personal attack. You really expect to win people over that way? Inferior may not be the correct thing to say. There is a lot to be said about peoples' unwillingness to admit they have been wronged in the past. People who go through hazing very often justify it later in life and force others through the hazing process; psychologically some of this has to do with unwillingness to confront bad things that happened in your past - you just pretend that they aren't bad. I think the same applies to hitting kids (also called spanking). | ||
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