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On September 09 2011 09:21 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 09:19 TALegion wrote:
I'm extremely confused by one thing about this thread: Who gives this much of a shit?
If all of this stuff is half as subjective as it seems (on both sides of the argument), combined with the fact that neither side has a legitimate, 100% unarguable and significant benefit to their side, then this seems like such a useless thread. It's ridiculous that we ritually mutilate babies all the time because of either religion, stupid misconceptions, or cosmetic reasons. Sure, it's not the biggest crisis in the world, but I always try to combat stupidity in all of its forms. Also, no, it's not subjective in the slightest. By the moral standards we generally use to judge all other actions, infant circumcision is pretty objectively wrong.
They aren't misconceptions until they're objective fact, as presented by undeniable science. Until one side is right by that standard, both sides are unable to be right.
By my understanding, the baby (unless poorly done) doesn't feel much, if any pain.
P.S. As long as you, "Try to combat stupidity in all of its forms," in order for it to, "Mutilation," it'd have to objectively degrade the appearance. Seeing as you listed one of the reason for people doing it as, "cosmetic reason," it seems improper to call it degrading to the appearance.
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On September 09 2011 09:28 GinDo wrote:
2)May null your satisfaction, but if that's what it takes to make the ladies happy so be it.
This is disgusting.
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The inactivism pages aren't exactly... objective... you know...
Also, a big reason why circumcision became popular in the old ages was because with a severe lack of... well... bathing, and low understanding of how to properly bathe, infections that are nearly non-factors today were tremendous blights. Circumcision was an easy way to simplify cleaning from an early age.
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On September 09 2011 09:23 Karliath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 09:20 DoubleReed wrote:On September 09 2011 09:16 Tatari wrote:
I've asked my mom several times about when I was circumcised as a baby. she said I didn't even notice it. *snip*, done.
Though, my uncle had circumcision as an adolescent, and he went through a world of hellish pain...
Maybe the pain affects some people?
And for the women, I heard the prefer circumcised penises because uh... it looks better... ._.'
P.S. I've no idea why girls get circumcised. Is there a religious purpose behind it? Any health benefits? All I know is that circumcised men don't have to deal with smegma, phimosis, piss getting on their foreskin, etc. I've never heard of female genital mutiliation other than as a means of oppression. The idea being that women shouldn't enjoy sex, or that they'll be more faithful that way. I'm not sure if there are other reasons to do it. I think 99% of female circumcision is with malicious or warped intents (from a modern western perspective). That being said, the same medical problems brought on by foreskin could hold true for a female and her labia.
Female Circumcision is not the removal of the labia, but the removal of the clitoris. Its like chopping the head off your dick.
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Why're so many people generalising what 'women' think? Women do have thoughts and opinions on what they like and can or can not enjoy and if you live in a country where the majority of people are/aren't circumcised, you're likely to find people who are/aren't accustomed to appearance.
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most argument comes from the same source, seems to be your opinion....
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Alot of the replies are going in circles, with the majority of the irrational posts with pro circumcision get shot down but then the same point gets made a page later.
I really dislike the notion of child genital mutilation as being widely socialy acceptable (especially in a prominant western country... so mind boggling), the thread is summed up by the lone 1 unbiased voice.
On September 09 2011 08:36 Sorrows wrote:
I was circumcised a couple years ago at age 24 and have had sex both before and after. If I ever have a son he will not be getting circumcised at birth. If he wants to later, that's his choice. If I could go back to being uncircumcised, I would.
I feel bad for you, I'm guessing you had a medical reason for doing so. If not, I feel bad for you being brainwashed into doing so.
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On September 09 2011 09:28 GinDo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 07:50 SpearWrit wrote:You fail to mention that uncircumcised babies also run the risk of Phimosis, where the foreskin cannot be retracted, blocking the urethra. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhimosisYou also fail to mention that Smegma also grows under foreskins over time, even for uncircumcised men who regularly wash under the foreskin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SmegmaHaving a foreskin doesn't stop a man from having a "dick that isn't calloused and scarred." Circumcised penises grow used to contact with the outside and clothes that allow the skin to toughen and adapt and desensitize in a way that uncircumcised males cannot because they have a layer of skin over the sensitive area. As such, circumcised men have longer stamina during sex BECAUSE their sex organ is less sensitive. Women expect circumcised penises most of the time. I know girls that freaked out the first time they saw one that wasn't. And the guy above me has a good point. Personally I could care less about my sexual satisfaction. I more preoccupied that she gets what she wants  . TLDR 1)Look better 2 )May null your satisfaction, but if that's what it takes to make the ladies happy so be it. And personally I who am circumcised feel confident. 3)Easier to clean. If we were in the desert you would die first from infection  + Show Spoiler +
I don't want to legitimate this statistics because I don't know the conditions of the real study but looking at the results won't hurt when you actually don't know the answers
But it seems that women tends to find the sexual act more painful
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On September 09 2011 09:31 GinDo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 09:23 Karliath wrote:On September 09 2011 09:20 DoubleReed wrote:On September 09 2011 09:16 Tatari wrote:
I've asked my mom several times about when I was circumcised as a baby. she said I didn't even notice it. *snip*, done.
Though, my uncle had circumcision as an adolescent, and he went through a world of hellish pain...
Maybe the pain affects some people?
And for the women, I heard the prefer circumcised penises because uh... it looks better... ._.'
P.S. I've no idea why girls get circumcised. Is there a religious purpose behind it? Any health benefits? All I know is that circumcised men don't have to deal with smegma, phimosis, piss getting on their foreskin, etc. I've never heard of female genital mutiliation other than as a means of oppression. The idea being that women shouldn't enjoy sex, or that they'll be more faithful that way. I'm not sure if there are other reasons to do it. I think 99% of female circumcision is with malicious or warped intents (from a modern western perspective). That being said, the same medical problems brought on by foreskin could hold true for a female and her labia. Female Circumcision is not the removal of the labia, but the removal of the clitoris. Its like chopping the head off your dick.
ffs people, FGM and female circumcision are terms that cover a wide variety of practices.
Not every procedure is a clitoridectomy
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I thought this was going to be about an elephant being circumcised, oh boy.
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On September 09 2011 09:11 Tippecanoe wrote:
It's all about preference.
I find this last bit interesting. Is it the preference of the child or the parents?
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On September 09 2011 09:33 Dalguno wrote:
I thought this was going to be about an elephant being circumcised, oh boy.
ROFL! XD
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Women only expect circumcised penises in America. Most other countries don't do it except for rare medical conditions.
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On September 09 2011 09:31 GinDo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 09:23 Karliath wrote:On September 09 2011 09:20 DoubleReed wrote:On September 09 2011 09:16 Tatari wrote:
I've asked my mom several times about when I was circumcised as a baby. she said I didn't even notice it. *snip*, done.
Though, my uncle had circumcision as an adolescent, and he went through a world of hellish pain...
Maybe the pain affects some people?
And for the women, I heard the prefer circumcised penises because uh... it looks better... ._.'
P.S. I've no idea why girls get circumcised. Is there a religious purpose behind it? Any health benefits? All I know is that circumcised men don't have to deal with smegma, phimosis, piss getting on their foreskin, etc. I've never heard of female genital mutiliation other than as a means of oppression. The idea being that women shouldn't enjoy sex, or that they'll be more faithful that way. I'm not sure if there are other reasons to do it. I think 99% of female circumcision is with malicious or warped intents (from a modern western perspective). That being said, the same medical problems brought on by foreskin could hold true for a female and her labia. Female Circumcision is not the removal of the labia, but the removal of the clitoris. Its like chopping the head off your dick.
No, there are several different forms of FGM, or however else you want to call it. Some involve cutting off the labia, some involve sewing up most of the vagina opening, and some involve the cutting of the clitoris, etc.
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On September 09 2011 09:32 Diks wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 09:28 GinDo wrote:On September 09 2011 07:50 SpearWrit wrote:You fail to mention that uncircumcised babies also run the risk of Phimosis, where the foreskin cannot be retracted, blocking the urethra. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhimosisYou also fail to mention that Smegma also grows under foreskins over time, even for uncircumcised men who regularly wash under the foreskin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SmegmaHaving a foreskin doesn't stop a man from having a "dick that isn't calloused and scarred." Circumcised penises grow used to contact with the outside and clothes that allow the skin to toughen and adapt and desensitize in a way that uncircumcised males cannot because they have a layer of skin over the sensitive area. As such, circumcised men have longer stamina during sex BECAUSE their sex organ is less sensitive. Women expect circumcised penises most of the time. I know girls that freaked out the first time they saw one that wasn't. And the guy above me has a good point. Personally I could care less about my sexual satisfaction. I more preoccupied that she gets what she wants . TLDR 1)Look better 2 )May null your satisfaction, but if that's what it takes to make the ladies happy so be it. And personally I who am circumcised feel confident. 3)Easier to clean. If we were in the desert you would die first from infection + Show Spoiler + I don't want to legitimate this statistics because I don't know the conditions of the real study but looking at the results won't hurt when you actually don't know the answers But it seems that women tends to find the sexual act more painful
Yeah i wouldn't trust the OPs "stats" Anyone can make a graph on Excel. And how exactly wou it make it "painful", or "less satisfactory"?
If you note the OPs sources their all from 1 site. I could buy a domain right now, put up a ton of crap and publish it. Doesn't make it true. I could make up fake stats or even just test a few people. I could even ask leading questions in order to produce biased answers.
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On September 09 2011 09:35 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 09:33 Dalguno wrote:
I thought this was going to be about an elephant being circumcised, oh boy. ROFL! XD
The real question is why you would click on a Thread about Elephant circumcision
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On September 09 2011 09:28 GinDo wrote:
Women expect circumcised penises most of the time.
Totally depends where you are from. This may be true in the states but I believe that there are fewer circumcised men in the UK than uncircumcised.
On September 09 2011 09:28 GinDo wrote:
1)Look better
This is purely subjective. Probably biased based on your own penis and what you see most often in porn.
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On September 09 2011 09:16 Tatari wrote:
I've asked my mom several times about when I was circumcised as a baby. she said I didn't even notice it. *snip*, done.
My morbid curiosity drove me to seek out photos and videos of circumcisions in progress. I was left with the impression that was a bit more involved than *snip*, done. The foreskin has several nerve receptors and from the sounds of the wailing, the circumcision was probably done without anesthesia. Not an experience to be forgotten soon. Through adult years, people say they have no recollection of it. Understandable - Personally, I would consciously try to shut out memories of it. A significant portion of your sexual organ is being removed, after all.
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On September 09 2011 09:38 sWW wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 09:28 GinDo wrote:
Women expect circumcised penises most of the time.
Totally depends where you are from. This may be true in the states but I believe that there are fewer circumcised men UK than uncircumcised.
Almost all of Europe, Asia and South-America is uncircumcised.
Circumcision is only common in parts of Africa, the US, Indonesia, the middle-east and, for some reason, South-Korea.
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