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Kinetik_Inferno
United States1431 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:29 resonant23 wrote: Ive been circumcised my whole life, no problems here. sex, fap etc all great!! But have you ever been uncut and remembered what it was like? You don't have perspective... | ||
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Daimai
Sweden762 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:27 sureshot_ wrote: They had the kid, not you. There's no significant, NEGATIVE impact of being circumcised. NONE. If you're arguing that it's painful therefore the child shouldn't be subjected to it, well then he/she probably shouldn't have been subjected to birth either. - Less sensitivity when sex. - The head gets all wrinkly and looks dry because it develops a protective "shell". - The foreskin is the most sensitive part of the penis. - There is a risk of heavy bloodloss. Also, are you kidding me? They are completely two things. Would you also justify cutting off an arm the same way? | ||
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sureshot_
United States257 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:31 Exarl25 wrote: Birth is sort of necessary, circumcision is not, big difference there. No difference at all. Birth isn't necessary, just like abortion. On September 09 2011 13:33 Daimai wrote: - Less sensitivity when sex. - The head gets all wrinkly and looks dry because it develops a protective "shell". - The foreskin is the most sensitive part of the penis. - There is a risk of heavy bloodloss. Also, are you kidding me? They are completely two things. Would you also justify cutting off an arm the same way? -Sensitivity is subjective. -I don't have that aesthetic problem, personally. -Subjective again. -A legitimate issue. Why are you comparing this to cutting off an arm. 1 arm isn't pleasant in any scenario ever. I fail to see the analogy. Parents decide a lot more important things for their children's lives then being circumcised. | ||
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gurrpp
United States437 Posts
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Phyrigian
New Zealand1332 Posts
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Kinetik_Inferno
United States1431 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:33 Daimai wrote: - Less sensitivity when sex. - The head gets all wrinkly and looks dry because it develops a protective "shell". - The foreskin is the most sensitive part of the penis. - There is a risk of heavy bloodloss. Also, are you kidding me? They are completely two things. Would you also justify cutting off an arm the same way? I think the entire circumcision argument amounts to: Here let me cut off your fingers because I think it looks better and plus, you can't get them smashed by doors! | ||
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Josealtron
United States219 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:27 sureshot_ wrote: They had the kid, not you. There's no significant, NEGATIVE impact of being circumcised. NONE. If you're arguing that it's painful therefore the child shouldn't be subjected to it, well then he/she probably shouldn't have been subjected to birth either. They had the kid, but that doesn't mean they can do whatever the fuck they want to the kid. The kid is still a person that has his rights, and if he is too young to be able to comprehend a procedure that will permanently affect his life and is not vital at that time, then it should not be done. Period. The effects of circumcision only start mattering when a child starts to become sexually active, and by then the child should've/will develop very soon his capacity to make the choice. The negative impact is that you're permanently altering part of the person's body for no good reason and without his choice. It's like getting a nose job or plastic surgery on an infant girl, even if there's no permanently harmful effects, that doesn't mean it's OK to do it to someone without their consent. It's not something that's easy(if at all possible) to reverse either. The OP had some flaws in his original post, and made some claims that are difficult to prove or were uncited. But, that doesn't change the fact that you're permanently altering a person's penis without their consent and without an important health reason. Also, and that last sentence is just lol. You seriously think getting circumcision is comparable to being born? There's a difference between necessary extreme pain and unnecessary extreme pain. Circumcision is unnecessary extreme pain. Being born is obviously necessary. They're not comparable. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
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Kinetik_Inferno
United States1431 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:35 sureshot_ wrote: No difference at all. Birth isn't necessary, just like abortion. It's necessary for LIFE. I don't think you can compare the pain of birth to having someone shove a probe between the fused-together foreskin and glans and then cut the former off. | ||
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Nevermove
United States7 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:27 sureshot_ wrote: They had the kid, not you. There's no significant, NEGATIVE impact of being circumcised. NONE. If you're arguing that it's painful therefore the child shouldn't be subjected to it, well then he/she probably shouldn't have been subjected to birth either. Thank you! people in this post think circumcision should be banned just because it is painful to the infant, but what about the parents. the woman who had to give birth to the freaken child has the right to care for their child the she wants or needs to, not to mention the pain of childbirth. We do not need government or any other type of ruling body imposing themselves the second your child is born. | ||
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:35 sureshot_ wrote: No difference at all. Birth isn't necessary, just like abortion. You can't see the difference between circumcision, an unnecessary medical procedure, and birth, something that is required for the continued survival of the entire fucking human race? You are either a troll or incredibly stupid. | ||
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:38 Nevermove wrote: Thank you! people in this post think circumcision should be banned just because it is painful to the infant, but what about the parents. the woman who had to give birth to the freaken child has the right to care for their child the she wants or needs to, not to mention the pain of childbirth. We do not need government or any other type of ruling body imposing themselves the second your child is born. Giving birth to a child gives you the right to inflict unnecessary physical pain on it? Where the fuck do you live where that is the case? | ||
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indigoawareness
Slovakia273 Posts
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Sworn
Canada920 Posts
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:36 Kinetik_Inferno wrote: I think the entire circumcision argument amounts to: Here let me cut off your fingers because I think it looks better and plus, you can't get them smashed by doors! cut off your fingers. Seriously. ... These are the most ridiculous comparisons I have ever seen. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:38 Nevermove wrote: Thank you! people in this post think circumcision should be banned just because it is painful to the infant, but what about the parents. the woman who had to give birth to the freaken child has the right to care for their child the she wants or needs to, not to mention the pain of childbirth. We do not need government or any other type of ruling body imposing themselves the second your child is born. So should parents be allowed to just chop off whatever part of their baby's body they deem non-essential? I mean, at most women only need one nipple and men don't need any, so why not cut off the extras at birth? | ||
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Synwave
United States2803 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:33 Kinetik_Inferno wrote: But have you ever been uncut and remembered what it was like? You don't have perspective... Have you ever been cut and remembered what it was like? You don't have perspective... I'm curious, if you wrote this hilarious OP, then realized you wanted it closed, why are you still defending your position and bumping this thread? So much doesn't make any sense here. | ||
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Kinetik_Inferno
United States1431 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:38 Nevermove wrote: Thank you! people in this post think circumcision should be banned just because it is painful to the infant, but what about the parents. the woman who had to give birth to the freaken child has the right to care for their child the she wants or needs to, not to mention the pain of childbirth. We do not need government or any other type of ruling body imposing themselves the second your child is born. Are you deliberately trying to straw-man us or are you a moron? You're subjecting a child to unnecessary pain for no good reason. Now I think I'd rather sit through the extreme pain of my birth so I can have a LIFE. Suffering through extreme pain so I have a permanently alter dick so it 'looks better' to only some people is not something I'd do. It's my fucking dick, let me do what I want with it. Don't permanently alter it before I can think. | ||
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sureshot_
United States257 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:39 Exarl25 wrote: You can't see the difference between circumcision, an unnecessary medical procedure, and birth, something that is required for the continued survival of the entire fucking human race? You are either a troll or incredibly stupid. Am I? So if I have 2 kids, is having a third child necessary? There are plenty of couples who decide not to have children, but we are still overpopulated. My point was that if a mother (and father to an extent) have to go through pain and hardship to bear a child they hold the right to circumcise their child. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:38 Nevermove wrote: Thank you! people in this post think circumcision should be banned just because it is painful to the infant, but what about the parents. the woman who had to give birth to the freaken child has the right to care for their child the she wants or needs to, not to mention the pain of childbirth. We do not need government or any other type of ruling body imposing themselves the second your child is born. I don't have any problem with the pain, I kind of have a problem with the parents making the decision to alter a body permanently without the child's knowing, knowledge or anything. At least give the child the chance to be old enough to read up on the subject, go to the library, use google, etc. At the time most of these surgery's are done, the child's brain is still freaking processing three things. Eat, Shit, Sleep. The pain is just a minor issue, and if for some reason it didn't alter the child permanently, I could maybe, maybe see it being fine. @ Sureshot, would you feel the same way if your parents put a permanent huge scar across your forehead at birth to show that you were part of whatever tradition they are? What if you backed out of that ten years later. To take it to further extremes, are you saying the parent owns the child, as in ... slavery? | ||
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