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Pangpootata
1838 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:00 Torte de Lini wrote: Not sure how Jewish tradition and religious significance should be considered an ignorant reasoning. Same reasons as to why myriad tribal traditions and religious significance for female circumcision are considered ignorant reasoning. | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
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Kinetik_Inferno
United States1431 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:01 Torte de Lini wrote: You try reporting it? Did you show them the OP wanting to close it? I am the OP silly. | ||
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Dali.
New Zealand689 Posts
Traditional and religious reasons should not influence us, considering they're typically clouded by unreliable and unreasonable thought. We don't respect one 'tradition' over another, especially if they involve nonconsential harm. Hygiene and health reasons do not mandate that circumcision is a necessity or advisable, as has been mentioned in this thread, with reference to the relevant medical organizations. Aesthetic issues are culturally relative. The C-penis will be preferred were it is the majority. Same for the UC-penis. Since aesthetic issues are related to sexual intercourse/activity, circumcision should be considered by an adolescent or adult male with awareness of the potential risks and rewards. If said male is under 18, parents consent should be requested. The issue with this would be that some parents would likely coerce a child into the procedure due to their selfishness. Perhaps a blanket 18yo age limit would function best. I see no reason why it must be done at birth. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:02 Kinetik_Inferno wrote: Because according to the Torah we only need to perform bloodletting. We don't need to amputate anything.. Show me? What of Bris? | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:00 Torte de Lini wrote: Not sure how Jewish tradition and religious significance should be considered an ignorant reasoning. Because arguments from tradition are a common form of the genetic fallacy | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Oh derp, no wonder you're strong on your stance haha! I never read the OP's name, I like to focus on his arguments and views. | ||
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Doomwish
438 Posts
Female circumcision is much too intrusive and very disturbing to me. Who actually practices this? | ||
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No_Roo
United States905 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:03 Romantic wrote: Because arguments from tradition are a common form of the genetic fallacy Sure is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:03 Romantic wrote: Because arguments from tradition are a common form of the genetic fallacy I don't understand, what do you mean exactly in reference to this context? | ||
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BloodNinja
United States2791 Posts
I reported the post where you requested a close already for you. I guess a mod will get here when they get here. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:04 Doomwish wrote: Male circumcision is fine imo. Female circumcision is much too intrusive and very disturbing to me. Who actually practices this? Many cultures. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:05 Torte de Lini wrote: I don't understand, what do you mean exactly in reference to this context? You don't know what genetic fallacies\appeals to tradition are and why they are logical fallacies? | ||
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adrenaLinG
Canada676 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:00 Torte de Lini wrote: Not sure how Jewish tradition and religious significance should be considered an ignorant reasoning. Because separation of church and state  The way it is currently though, is that the state considers circumcision to be 'minor' enough to be left up to religions and parents to decide, because its not in the state's interests to regulate on that. People in this thread, though, are arguing it is, and there is a pretty good case for it, even if it is unpopular (particularly in America where most males are circumcised and Americans are very pro-religion). | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:06 Romantic wrote: You don't know what genetic fallacies\appeals to tradition are and why they are logical fallacies? I don't know how they apply to this context, please explain. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:02 Pangpootata wrote: Same reasons as to why myriad tribal traditions and religious significance for female circumcision are considered ignorant reasoning. Because tradition for the sake of tradition is ridiculously stupid. You should do things for good reasons, not because you've always done it that way. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:06 adrenaLinG wrote: Because separation of church and state The way it is currently though, is that the state considers circumcision to be 'minor' enough to be left up to religions and parents to decide, because its not in the state's interests to regulate on that. People in this thread, though, are arguing it is, and there is a pretty good case for it, even if it is unpopular (particularly in America where most males are circumcised and Americans are very pro-religion). Ah, that makes sense. I guess I'm on the government's side. It seems more of a finnicky issue that I originally thought. I'm surprised and glad I know. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:07 Whitewing wrote: Because tradition for the sake of tradition is ridiculously stupid. You should do things for good reasons, not because you've always done it that way. What if the tradition has a beneficial founding that supports their way of life or morality in their lives? | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
The reason you can't feel anything is that your glans, which is naturally covered by the inner foreskin (a mucosa membrane), is exposed to the elements and like it or not, you've developed a callus on it and now you can't feel the pleasure of sex before you reach orgasm. What? Sex feels absolutely amazing from start to finish. Not sure where you're getting these "facts" about the pleasure of circumcised sex. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:06 adrenaLinG wrote: Because separation of church and state The way it is currently though, is that the state considers circumcision to be 'minor' enough to be left up to religions and parents to decide, because its not in the state's interests to regulate on that. People in this thread, though, are arguing it is, and there is a pretty good case for it, even if it is unpopular (particularly in America where most males are circumcised and Americans are very pro-religion). It's freedom of religion though. It's the other way around. The state shouldn't be telling you how to practice your religion under reasonable circumstances. So it's an argument on whether or not it's reasonable. | ||
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