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On September 09 2011 12:32 gogogadgetflow wrote:
Torte that's 6 posts in 2 minutes, all inane 1-liners. I think you need to think about what you do in your spare time.
I'm waiting for a TL member to come back from visiting his friend. I'm also talking on skype about how we are going to advertise our StarCraft II uni. club at tomorrow's orientation while watching shitty Star Wars episode 3.
Is there an issue?
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On September 09 2011 12:28 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:26 RockIronrod wrote:On September 09 2011 12:23 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:20 RockIronrod wrote:On September 09 2011 12:19 Brutaxilos wrote:
why is this such a big deal, nobody cares what your penis looks like. /thread please. People are mutilating babies at birth. That is a problem. Since when? Is it a social problem? Or a minor personal one? It doesn't sound like a social one, so the personal issue should be decided on case by case basis by those involved. Since circumsision started. Yes. No it is not minor. No, the idea of cutting baby dick in an agonizing procedure should not be decided on a case by case basis. A blanket "I'm calling child services you sick fuck" would suffice better. Any bills or decisions made by the government to regulate this or offer an alternative? Show me how it is not a minor issue. I can't figure it out. How do you how agonizing it is? Do you recall? Can a baby describe it to you?
Thank god there's another sane person in this thread.
I have no idea where people are getting this ridiculous idea that circumcision is this most heinous terrible thing. Seriously. No one is agreeing on whether it's better or worse to have it. People are throwing around "mutilation" because it's sensationalist. This thread is ridiculous.
This is not like taking out the appendix (an invasive surgery ffs!). This is not like female genital mutilation. This is not fucking breast implants. Jesus.
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On September 09 2011 12:32 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:30 RockIronrod wrote:On September 09 2011 12:28 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:26 RockIronrod wrote:On September 09 2011 12:23 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:20 RockIronrod wrote:On September 09 2011 12:19 Brutaxilos wrote:
why is this such a big deal, nobody cares what your penis looks like. /thread please. People are mutilating babies at birth. That is a problem. Since when? Is it a social problem? Or a minor personal one? It doesn't sound like a social one, so the personal issue should be decided on case by case basis by those involved. Since circumsision started. Yes. No it is not minor. No, the idea of cutting baby dick in an agonizing procedure should not be decided on a case by case basis. A blanket "I'm calling child services you sick fuck" would suffice better. Any bills or decisions made by the government to regulate this or offer an alternative? Show me how it is not a minor issue. I can't figure it out. How do you how agonizing it is? Do you recall? Can a baby describe it to you? It's a major issue because it's wide spread. Do I need someone to tell me how getting my dick FUCKING CUT UP would hurt? Can a baby remember being raped? No, WELL I GUESS IT DOESN'T MATTER THEN A HURR HURR Yeah, show me how widespread everyone making it. Give me numbers, I'm genuinely interested because I have no idea how widespread or important this crucial issue is. Yes, you do. Because I doubt you recall at all. The intentions are different. Rape is not circumcision.
Do you not think circumcision is not widespread?
Okay then; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevalence_of_circumcision
Just because I wouldn't remember getting my dick hacked up doesn't mean it didn't hurt or it's okay.
Yes it's not rape, it's cutting the babies dick. Something that is also a terrible thing to do.
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On September 09 2011 12:29 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:28 Kinetik_Inferno wrote:On September 09 2011 12:26 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:24 adrenaLinG wrote:On September 09 2011 12:23 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:19 adrenaLinG wrote:On September 09 2011 12:16 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:15 Harrow wrote:On September 09 2011 12:11 Cedstick wrote:
I wouldn't consider it a flaw, I'd consider it a -- in my case -- medical decision. Quick, chop out the kid's appendix, doesn't serve any real purpose and could cause health complications down the road. Yeah, there are medical justifications for it. But when else do people perform permanent disfigurements as a pre-emptive medical procedure? If the foreskin is causing some problem, by all means, remove it. I still haven't seen any rational reason why it should happen otherwise in the developed world. Appendix has no religious significance. Has no aesthetic change if removed. Has no traditional sense established. Costs a lot, achieves nothing if removed. If you can prevent the foreskin causing problems, why not do it before-hand when the child cannot retain the memory or the potential (if any) pain. It's hypothetical, not my stance (or is it?) All surgery has risk. And removing foreskin is not exactly preventative medicine -- that's sort of like, removing boobs to prevent breast cancer. Except breasts have a bigger significant role than foreskin of a penis. Can you elaborate Breast-feeding Protection of the Glans and sexual pleasure. Penises function without the extra protection. Sexual pleasure is relative. This is so much fun ;D! I haven't done these back and forths since college!
Oh so they 'function' now then? I guess I cut off your eyelids because hey, the eye functions FINE without them and after all, you can get stuff stuck in your eye and that's annoying.
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On September 09 2011 12:30 adrenaLinG wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:28 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:26 RockIronrod wrote:On September 09 2011 12:23 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:20 RockIronrod wrote:On September 09 2011 12:19 Brutaxilos wrote:
why is this such a big deal, nobody cares what your penis looks like. /thread please. People are mutilating babies at birth. That is a problem. Since when? Is it a social problem? Or a minor personal one? It doesn't sound like a social one, so the personal issue should be decided on case by case basis by those involved. Since circumsision started. Yes. No it is not minor. No, the idea of cutting baby dick in an agonizing procedure should not be decided on a case by case basis. A blanket "I'm calling child services you sick fuck" would suffice better. Any bills or decisions made by the government to regulate this or offer an alternative? Show me how it is not a minor issue. I can't figure it out. How do you how agonizing it is? Do you recall? Can a baby describe it to you? Some countries have regulated on circumcision. But obviously there are huge political ramifications considering two of the three largest religions in the world practice it.
What's the other one besides Judaism?
If we enacted a similar regulation, I'd probably comply with it if it was reasonable.
I'm willing to consider it :3
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On September 09 2011 12:34 Kinetik_Inferno wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:29 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:28 Kinetik_Inferno wrote:On September 09 2011 12:26 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:24 adrenaLinG wrote:On September 09 2011 12:23 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:19 adrenaLinG wrote:On September 09 2011 12:16 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:15 Harrow wrote:On September 09 2011 12:11 Cedstick wrote:
I wouldn't consider it a flaw, I'd consider it a -- in my case -- medical decision. Quick, chop out the kid's appendix, doesn't serve any real purpose and could cause health complications down the road. Yeah, there are medical justifications for it. But when else do people perform permanent disfigurements as a pre-emptive medical procedure? If the foreskin is causing some problem, by all means, remove it. I still haven't seen any rational reason why it should happen otherwise in the developed world. Appendix has no religious significance. Has no aesthetic change if removed. Has no traditional sense established. Costs a lot, achieves nothing if removed. If you can prevent the foreskin causing problems, why not do it before-hand when the child cannot retain the memory or the potential (if any) pain. It's hypothetical, not my stance (or is it?) All surgery has risk. And removing foreskin is not exactly preventative medicine -- that's sort of like, removing boobs to prevent breast cancer. Except breasts have a bigger significant role than foreskin of a penis. Can you elaborate Breast-feeding Protection of the Glans and sexual pleasure. Penises function without the extra protection. Sexual pleasure is relative. This is so much fun ;D! I haven't done these back and forths since college! Oh so they 'function' now then? I guess I cut off your eyelids because hey, the eye functions FINE without them and after all, you can get stuff stuck in your eye and that's annoying.
any other valid or possible reasons besides that? You're hopping alot.
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On September 09 2011 12:33 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:32 gogogadgetflow wrote:
Torte that's 6 posts in 2 minutes, all inane 1-liners. I think you need to think about what you do in your spare time. I'm waiting for a TL member to come back from visiting his friend. I'm also talking on skype about how we are going to advertise our StarCraft II uni. club at tomorrow's orientation while watching shitty Star Wars episode 3. Is there an issue?
There is an issue. Thats a great movie
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On September 09 2011 12:33 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:28 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:26 RockIronrod wrote:On September 09 2011 12:23 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:20 RockIronrod wrote:On September 09 2011 12:19 Brutaxilos wrote:
why is this such a big deal, nobody cares what your penis looks like. /thread please. People are mutilating babies at birth. That is a problem. Since when? Is it a social problem? Or a minor personal one? It doesn't sound like a social one, so the personal issue should be decided on case by case basis by those involved. Since circumsision started. Yes. No it is not minor. No, the idea of cutting baby dick in an agonizing procedure should not be decided on a case by case basis. A blanket "I'm calling child services you sick fuck" would suffice better. Any bills or decisions made by the government to regulate this or offer an alternative? Show me how it is not a minor issue. I can't figure it out. How do you how agonizing it is? Do you recall? Can a baby describe it to you? Thank god there's another sane person in this thread. I have no idea where people are getting this ridiculous idea that circumcision is this most heinous terrible thing. Seriously. No one is agreeing on whether it's better or worse to have it. People are throwing around "mutilation" because it's sensationalist. This thread is ridiculous. This is not like taking out the appendix (an invasive surgery ffs!). This is not like female genital mutilation. This is not fucking breast implants. Jesus.
Except it is EXACTLY that.
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On September 09 2011 12:33 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:28 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:26 RockIronrod wrote:On September 09 2011 12:23 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:20 RockIronrod wrote:On September 09 2011 12:19 Brutaxilos wrote:
why is this such a big deal, nobody cares what your penis looks like. /thread please. People are mutilating babies at birth. That is a problem. Since when? Is it a social problem? Or a minor personal one? It doesn't sound like a social one, so the personal issue should be decided on case by case basis by those involved. Since circumsision started. Yes. No it is not minor. No, the idea of cutting baby dick in an agonizing procedure should not be decided on a case by case basis. A blanket "I'm calling child services you sick fuck" would suffice better. Any bills or decisions made by the government to regulate this or offer an alternative? Show me how it is not a minor issue. I can't figure it out. How do you how agonizing it is? Do you recall? Can a baby describe it to you? Thank god there's another sane person in this thread. I have no idea where people are getting this ridiculous idea that circumcision is this most heinous terrible thing. Seriously. No one is agreeing on whether it's better or worse to have it. People are throwing around "mutilation" because it's sensationalist. This thread is ridiculous. This is not like taking out the appendix (an invasive surgery ffs!). This is not like female genital mutilation. This is not fucking breast implants. Jesus.
Just have fun :3! They're just very passionate in their view! I am too, but I don't mind considering their point of views!
I get to seriously talk to 6 strong-minded individuals!
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On September 09 2011 12:31 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:29 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:28 Kinetik_Inferno wrote:On September 09 2011 12:26 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:24 adrenaLinG wrote:On September 09 2011 12:23 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:19 adrenaLinG wrote:On September 09 2011 12:16 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:15 Harrow wrote:On September 09 2011 12:11 Cedstick wrote:
I wouldn't consider it a flaw, I'd consider it a -- in my case -- medical decision. Quick, chop out the kid's appendix, doesn't serve any real purpose and could cause health complications down the road. Yeah, there are medical justifications for it. But when else do people perform permanent disfigurements as a pre-emptive medical procedure? If the foreskin is causing some problem, by all means, remove it. I still haven't seen any rational reason why it should happen otherwise in the developed world. Appendix has no religious significance. Has no aesthetic change if removed. Has no traditional sense established. Costs a lot, achieves nothing if removed. If you can prevent the foreskin causing problems, why not do it before-hand when the child cannot retain the memory or the potential (if any) pain. It's hypothetical, not my stance (or is it?) All surgery has risk. And removing foreskin is not exactly preventative medicine -- that's sort of like, removing boobs to prevent breast cancer. Except breasts have a bigger significant role than foreskin of a penis. Can you elaborate Breast-feeding Protection of the Glans and sexual pleasure. Penises function without the extra protection. Sexual pleasure is relative. This is so much fun ;D! I haven't done these back and forths since college! Removing extra protection because it can function without it is stupid. You don't need seatbelts, cars function without those after all. Circumcised sex is objectively less pleasurable.
How much protection does it really provide? People don't really walk around naked all the time, and foreskin isn't exactly a chainmail lol.
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On September 09 2011 12:35 gogogadgetflow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:33 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:32 gogogadgetflow wrote:
Torte that's 6 posts in 2 minutes, all inane 1-liners. I think you need to think about what you do in your spare time. I'm waiting for a TL member to come back from visiting his friend. I'm also talking on skype about how we are going to advertise our StarCraft II uni. club at tomorrow's orientation while watching shitty Star Wars episode 3. Is there an issue? There is an issue. Thats a great movie
THATS A TERRIBLE MOVIE, OMG. ANYTHING YOU SAY ABOUT CIRCUMCISION IS VOID BECAUSE OF THIS.
I tease, but seriously... what the fuck?
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On September 09 2011 12:33 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:28 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:26 RockIronrod wrote:On September 09 2011 12:23 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:20 RockIronrod wrote:On September 09 2011 12:19 Brutaxilos wrote:
why is this such a big deal, nobody cares what your penis looks like. /thread please. People are mutilating babies at birth. That is a problem. Since when? Is it a social problem? Or a minor personal one? It doesn't sound like a social one, so the personal issue should be decided on case by case basis by those involved. Since circumsision started. Yes. No it is not minor. No, the idea of cutting baby dick in an agonizing procedure should not be decided on a case by case basis. A blanket "I'm calling child services you sick fuck" would suffice better. Any bills or decisions made by the government to regulate this or offer an alternative? Show me how it is not a minor issue. I can't figure it out. How do you how agonizing it is? Do you recall? Can a baby describe it to you? Thank god there's another sane person in this thread. I have no idea where people are getting this ridiculous idea that circumcision is this most heinous terrible thing. Seriously. No one is agreeing on whether it's better or worse to have it. People are throwing around "mutilation" because it's sensationalist. This thread is ridiculous. This is not like taking out the appendix (an invasive surgery ffs!). This is not like female genital mutilation. This is not fucking breast implants. Jesus.
FGM is comparable to MGM because there are varying extremes for both. Extremes of male circumcision involve cutting of the entire dick and testicles. Extremes of FGM involve removing the clitoris and sewing the vagina shut. Lesser extremes involve pricking the clitoris/foreskin with a needle so that only a drop of blood falls.
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On September 09 2011 12:35 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:30 adrenaLinG wrote:On September 09 2011 12:28 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:26 RockIronrod wrote:On September 09 2011 12:23 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:20 RockIronrod wrote:On September 09 2011 12:19 Brutaxilos wrote:
why is this such a big deal, nobody cares what your penis looks like. /thread please. People are mutilating babies at birth. That is a problem. Since when? Is it a social problem? Or a minor personal one? It doesn't sound like a social one, so the personal issue should be decided on case by case basis by those involved. Since circumsision started. Yes. No it is not minor. No, the idea of cutting baby dick in an agonizing procedure should not be decided on a case by case basis. A blanket "I'm calling child services you sick fuck" would suffice better. Any bills or decisions made by the government to regulate this or offer an alternative? Show me how it is not a minor issue. I can't figure it out. How do you how agonizing it is? Do you recall? Can a baby describe it to you? Some countries have regulated on circumcision. But obviously there are huge political ramifications considering two of the three largest religions in the world practice it. What's the other one besides Judaism? If we enacted a similar regulation, I'd probably comply with it if it was reasonable. I'm willing to consider it :3
It's done routinely in Islam as well.
If it was law of course you'd comply with it, otherwise it'd be illegal not to! The debate here is whether it should be.
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On September 09 2011 12:39 adrenaLinG wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:35 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:30 adrenaLinG wrote:On September 09 2011 12:28 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:26 RockIronrod wrote:On September 09 2011 12:23 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:20 RockIronrod wrote:On September 09 2011 12:19 Brutaxilos wrote:
why is this such a big deal, nobody cares what your penis looks like. /thread please. People are mutilating babies at birth. That is a problem. Since when? Is it a social problem? Or a minor personal one? It doesn't sound like a social one, so the personal issue should be decided on case by case basis by those involved. Since circumsision started. Yes. No it is not minor. No, the idea of cutting baby dick in an agonizing procedure should not be decided on a case by case basis. A blanket "I'm calling child services you sick fuck" would suffice better. Any bills or decisions made by the government to regulate this or offer an alternative? Show me how it is not a minor issue. I can't figure it out. How do you how agonizing it is? Do you recall? Can a baby describe it to you? Some countries have regulated on circumcision. But obviously there are huge political ramifications considering two of the three largest religions in the world practice it. What's the other one besides Judaism? If we enacted a similar regulation, I'd probably comply with it if it was reasonable. I'm willing to consider it :3 It's done routinely in Islam as well. If it was law of course you'd comply with it, otherwise it'd be illegal not to! The debate here is whether it should be.
I meant that I'd vote for it if it was reasonable. My bad.
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On September 09 2011 12:35 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:34 Kinetik_Inferno wrote:On September 09 2011 12:29 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:28 Kinetik_Inferno wrote:On September 09 2011 12:26 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:24 adrenaLinG wrote:On September 09 2011 12:23 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:19 adrenaLinG wrote:On September 09 2011 12:16 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:15 Harrow wrote:
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Quick, chop out the kid's appendix, doesn't serve any real purpose and could cause health complications down the road.
Yeah, there are medical justifications for it. But when else do people perform permanent disfigurements as a pre-emptive medical procedure? If the foreskin is causing some problem, by all means, remove it. I still haven't seen any rational reason why it should happen otherwise in the developed world. Appendix has no religious significance. Has no aesthetic change if removed. Has no traditional sense established. Costs a lot, achieves nothing if removed. If you can prevent the foreskin causing problems, why not do it before-hand when the child cannot retain the memory or the potential (if any) pain. It's hypothetical, not my stance (or is it?) All surgery has risk. And removing foreskin is not exactly preventative medicine -- that's sort of like, removing boobs to prevent breast cancer. Except breasts have a bigger significant role than foreskin of a penis. Can you elaborate Breast-feeding Protection of the Glans and sexual pleasure. Penises function without the extra protection. Sexual pleasure is relative. This is so much fun ;D! I haven't done these back and forths since college! Oh so they 'function' now then? I guess I cut off your eyelids because hey, the eye functions FINE without them and after all, you can get stuff stuck in your eye and that's annoying. any other valid or possible reasons besides that? You're hopping alot.
Ok, there are painful scars after a circumcision.
It's here by evolution.
The jewish circumcision is a bloodletting ritual. All you need to do by jewish laws is prick the penis and let blood flow. Then you still fulfill the requirements.
The glans is supposed to be sensitive for a reason. Having a sensitive dick during sex is at least twice as good as having a tough skinned dick as testified by people I've talked to who have had sex in both ways.
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On September 09 2011 12:41 Kinetik_Inferno wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:35 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:34 Kinetik_Inferno wrote:On September 09 2011 12:29 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:28 Kinetik_Inferno wrote:On September 09 2011 12:26 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:24 adrenaLinG wrote:On September 09 2011 12:23 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:19 adrenaLinG wrote:On September 09 2011 12:16 Torte de Lini wrote:
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Appendix has no religious significance.
Has no aesthetic change if removed.
Has no traditional sense established.
Costs a lot, achieves nothing if removed.
If you can prevent the foreskin causing problems, why not do it before-hand when the child cannot retain the memory or the potential (if any) pain.
It's hypothetical, not my stance (or is it?) All surgery has risk. And removing foreskin is not exactly preventative medicine -- that's sort of like, removing boobs to prevent breast cancer. Except breasts have a bigger significant role than foreskin of a penis. Can you elaborate Breast-feeding Protection of the Glans and sexual pleasure. Penises function without the extra protection. Sexual pleasure is relative. This is so much fun ;D! I haven't done these back and forths since college! Oh so they 'function' now then? I guess I cut off your eyelids because hey, the eye functions FINE without them and after all, you can get stuff stuck in your eye and that's annoying. any other valid or possible reasons besides that? You're hopping alot. Ok, there are painful scars after a circumcision. It's here by evolution. The jewish circumcision is a bloodletting ritual. All you need to do by jewish laws is prick the penis and let blood flow. Then you still fulfill the requirements. The glans is supposed to be sensitive for a reason. Having a sensitive dick during sex is at least twice as good as having a tough skinned dick as testified by people I've talked to who have had sex in both ways.
Painful, how so?
My child won't get to compare, why would he be bothered? Keep this around the idea of the child and his point of view. Will he truly be bothered of a decision made about his penis that he can't recall, is used to seeing, cannot compare the sexual pleasures and the difference in protection is irrelevant if nothing happens to it.
The only issue I could see is that he rejects entirely the Jewish heritage of my father's side. But even then, if he disassociates the circumcision with the Jewish tangents, the sight of it being circumcised has an unlikely painful memory of any horrors from the religion I intend to raise him with to teach him good morals and values (to which he can establish his own values as he matures).
All what ifs.
A big shame you lose all respect of me ): I still respect you ~<3
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On September 09 2011 12:44 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:41 Kinetik_Inferno wrote:On September 09 2011 12:35 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:34 Kinetik_Inferno wrote:On September 09 2011 12:29 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:28 Kinetik_Inferno wrote:On September 09 2011 12:26 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:24 adrenaLinG wrote:On September 09 2011 12:23 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:19 adrenaLinG wrote:
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All surgery has risk. And removing foreskin is not exactly preventative medicine -- that's sort of like, removing boobs to prevent breast cancer. Except breasts have a bigger significant role than foreskin of a penis. Can you elaborate Breast-feeding Protection of the Glans and sexual pleasure. Penises function without the extra protection. Sexual pleasure is relative. This is so much fun ;D! I haven't done these back and forths since college! Oh so they 'function' now then? I guess I cut off your eyelids because hey, the eye functions FINE without them and after all, you can get stuff stuck in your eye and that's annoying. any other valid or possible reasons besides that? You're hopping alot. Ok, there are painful scars after a circumcision. It's here by evolution. The jewish circumcision is a bloodletting ritual. All you need to do by jewish laws is prick the penis and let blood flow. Then you still fulfill the requirements. The glans is supposed to be sensitive for a reason. Having a sensitive dick during sex is at least twice as good as having a tough skinned dick as testified by people I've talked to who have had sex in both ways. Painful, how so? My child won't get to compare, why would he be bothered? Keep this around the idea of the child and his point of view. Will he truly be bothered of a decision made about his penis that he can't recall, is used to seeing, cannot compare the sexual pleasures and the difference in protection is irrelevant if nothing happens to it. The only issue I could see is that he rejects entirely the Jewish heritage of my father's side. But even then, if he disassociates the circumcision with the Jewish tangents, the sight of it being circumcised has an unlikely painful memory of any horrors from the religion I intend to raise him with to teach him good morals and values (to which he can establish his own values as he matures). All what ifs. A big shame you lose all respect of me ): I still respect you ~<3
You forget that he will hear/read about some people who have experienced both and prefer the norm. He might not get to compare it himself but he'll still be upset because he'll never get to CHOOSE for himself.
Just don't do it, let him decide so he can't blame you. Like it or not he might do just that.
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Thanks for making this thread. I'm circumcised and the more I learn about it the more appalled I am. People hate to hear about it though and threads like this usually get shut down. People need to speak out because this is still being done to infants who can't speak for themselves. If an adult wants to have surgery on their healthy, fully formed penis then I have no problem... but it's a violation of human rights to cut a healthy body part from an individual without their knowledge and consent. Mods please don't shut down this thread; people need to be informed even if the truth hurts to hear.
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Personally, I am all for the government taking a more active role in legislating on the minutiae of parenting. What I would prefer is a big, fat, thoroughly researched handbook on how to raise, feed, clothe, and educate a child from conception to legal majority, a handbook from which it would be illegal to deviate. A nation's children ought to be more thoroughly protected from the ignorance and backwards practices of their mothers and fathers.
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