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I'm cut but not for religious reasons.
So after doing some research I found out that based on the preponderance of the evidence both for and against, no esteemed health organization in the world suggests routine infant circumcision. Even in the socially conservative, mostly-circumcised US, the American Pediatric Association did not come out in favor of circumcision.
With that in mind I decided that I would let my kid decide for himself if and when he wanted what basically amounts to genital cosmetic surgery.
My girlfriend is appalled, however. She said she would not find my cock nearly as sexy uncircumcised (insult or flattery?), and that she would in fact have been very shocked and halfway disgusted to find an uncircumcised one. In short, she wants her kid to look 'normal' like me.
Now I have to re-evaluate my position: if the health pros/cons are even, can I make a cosmetic decision for my kid? I still lean to no.
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On September 09 2011 12:01 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 11:59 Torte de Lini wrote:
In the end, tough luck. It's my child and I get to decide if he gets a circumcised penis or not.
Selfish? You bet?
Bullshit? Uh-huh.
Completely repulsive? Ask his future girlfriend(s)
Unfair? Ha, maybe.
Bad parenting? Yes, let's define the entirety of my potential in parenting based on a decision I took away from a barely conscious child.
I'm sure every one of you hate seeing your penis have a head. ):
I gave my rationale, even from the outer perspective its irrational, but I don't care, neither will the child (very likely) and nor will the world because no one will see it (in some rare occasion, they will). You know those rednecks who give their baby's tattoos or piercings and everyone is disgusted by them? You're unabashedly one of those now. Congratulations, here's your complimentary Insane Clown Posse shirt and "Half-dicked baby on board" car sticker.
Thank you. I'm glad you're able to label someone based on one dimension of their decisions or views. You've done very well being equally as understanding as they very person you're bashing.
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On September 09 2011 12:00 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 11:57 Mindcrime wrote:On September 09 2011 11:39 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 11:38 matjlav wrote:On September 09 2011 11:36 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 11:31 BlueBird. wrote:On September 09 2011 11:25 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 11:23 matjlav wrote:On September 09 2011 11:03 Torte de Lini wrote:
Lastly, circumcision is for the honor for my father's Jewish. Something I respect and is a part of all of us in this family. ![[image loading]](http://teamfinlayson.co.uk/funnystuff/tradition.jpg) On September 09 2011 11:03 Torte de Lini wrote:
My parents didn't give me a choice to be circumcised. I don't have a problem with them and I take into the idea that they did it with good intentions. You guys are so bent on making sure an infant or future child will have all the decisions in their life, yet, whenever a child fucks up, we blame the parents.
Can't have both. Yes, there are some choices that we expect parents to make, and other choices that we expect their children to be allowed to make. Yes, we can have both. I'm sorry, are you saying that respecting my heritage and religion is stupid? That's very offensive, I don't like this tone and your explanation made in a meme-form. That's very disrespectful. You can have an infant make a decision about their genitalia about concepts and aspects in their life and understanding that play a heavy role in the decision. You can have both, but in this instance it's not possible. What's being implied here is an extreme of allowing the child to make a decision they can't consciously make a responsible decision over. No one is implying the child make the decision. Most people are saying the child should be left unaltered, then be informed of the decision when they reach a responsible age(Whatever that might be, personally I think it varies from person to person but I'm sure lawmaking bullshit will find that 16 or so is probably it). Sure you might still be Jewish and respect your parents, and believe that's great for you. But as far as I'm concerned I hate it when people call their children, a "insert religion here" child, and make decisions for them based on that. My step dad wanted my little sister and brother baptized at two years old, they don't even attend that church now at ten and thirteen, the thirteen your old is now an atheist.. ... I'm sure plenty of Jewish people have converted or decided that having their foreskin removed before they even had the concept of being Jewish was wrong for them. As for me I was raised as a Presbytarian and called a Christian by my family, nowadays after having attended different churches, reading different bibles, book of mormon, etc.. I don't believe in god, and personally don't find most religions do anything for me. I'm Catholic and Jewish, I don't celebrate either religions. I don't do Christmas, Hanukkah, Easter, etc. None of it. Not because I reject the religion, I just don't have an interest. I do, however, respect and acknowledge that religion played a moral curve to me. It taught me basic moral values that helped me live and fundamentally cooperate with society and the world (along with other factors). I'm baptized and circumcised and I'm fine with both. Their intentions aren't to force you into a religion or label you as XYZ religion, they're just using religion as a tool to guide you to grow up properly and with understanding of the rights and wrongs in life. I do love Passover though. Yes, thank God your parents cut off your foreskin, otherwise you never would have understood to love thy neighbor as thyself. Point being, I don't have an issue with it. That's wonderful. What if your son does have an issue with it? What if he does? Then what?
You're okay with that?
"Son I realise you dislike the fact I cut off part of your dick, but deal with it."
How can you possibly think you are right in a scenario like that?
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On September 09 2011 11:57 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 11:56 Cedstick wrote:
Oh, please. I've never heard anyone EVER speak in disgust of circumcision or not. Seriously, the only place I've seen true conflict over it is fucking 4CHAN where boys of both endowments argue who's better because they're insecure as fuck. Illegal under 18? Pfffff. Don't circumcise your child -- I'm cool with that. Doesn't mean I can't have mine if I don't see fit. I don't think that anyone in this thread has argued that circumcision as a whole should be illegalized. People are just arguing that parents should not be allowed to do it to their children without the children's informed consent.
Josealtron did. I didn't quote him because the post was making a general statement on the morality issue. In Canada (and the US, I'd guess, though I don't live there) there has never been any stigma with being cut. I think the option should exist; if a couple want to be safe regarding any health complications in their child's future, why should they not be allowed to have it happen? I honestly can't believe anyone would ever look at the only penis they've ever known and think, "this is the reason I'm demasculated" -- or whatever.
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On September 09 2011 12:03 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:01 RockIronrod wrote:On September 09 2011 11:59 Torte de Lini wrote:
In the end, tough luck. It's my child and I get to decide if he gets a circumcised penis or not.
Selfish? You bet?
Bullshit? Uh-huh.
Completely repulsive? Ask his future girlfriend(s)
Unfair? Ha, maybe.
Bad parenting? Yes, let's define the entirety of my potential in parenting based on a decision I took away from a barely conscious child.
I'm sure every one of you hate seeing your penis have a head. ):
I gave my rationale, even from the outer perspective its irrational, but I don't care, neither will the child (very likely) and nor will the world because no one will see it (in some rare occasion, they will). You know those rednecks who give their baby's tattoos or piercings and everyone is disgusted by them? You're unabashedly one of those now. Congratulations, here's your complimentary Insane Clown Posse shirt and "Half-dicked baby on board" car sticker. Thank you. I'm glad you're able to label someone based on one dimension of their decisions or views. You've done very well being equally as understanding as they very person you're bashing.
I'm pretty sure I can label a rapist an asshole by one dimension of their decisions or views.
I can label you an asshole for not caring about your childs wishes in regards to their genitals.
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On September 09 2011 12:00 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 11:57 Mindcrime wrote:On September 09 2011 11:39 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 11:38 matjlav wrote:On September 09 2011 11:36 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 11:31 BlueBird. wrote:On September 09 2011 11:25 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 11:23 matjlav wrote:On September 09 2011 11:03 Torte de Lini wrote:
Lastly, circumcision is for the honor for my father's Jewish. Something I respect and is a part of all of us in this family. On September 09 2011 11:03 Torte de Lini wrote:
My parents didn't give me a choice to be circumcised. I don't have a problem with them and I take into the idea that they did it with good intentions. You guys are so bent on making sure an infant or future child will have all the decisions in their life, yet, whenever a child fucks up, we blame the parents.
Can't have both. Yes, there are some choices that we expect parents to make, and other choices that we expect their children to be allowed to make. Yes, we can have both. I'm sorry, are you saying that respecting my heritage and religion is stupid? That's very offensive, I don't like this tone and your explanation made in a meme-form. That's very disrespectful. You can have an infant make a decision about their genitalia about concepts and aspects in their life and understanding that play a heavy role in the decision. You can have both, but in this instance it's not possible. What's being implied here is an extreme of allowing the child to make a decision they can't consciously make a responsible decision over. No one is implying the child make the decision. Most people are saying the child should be left unaltered, then be informed of the decision when they reach a responsible age(Whatever that might be, personally I think it varies from person to person but I'm sure lawmaking bullshit will find that 16 or so is probably it). Sure you might still be Jewish and respect your parents, and believe that's great for you. But as far as I'm concerned I hate it when people call their children, a "insert religion here" child, and make decisions for them based on that. My step dad wanted my little sister and brother baptized at two years old, they don't even attend that church now at ten and thirteen, the thirteen your old is now an atheist.. ... I'm sure plenty of Jewish people have converted or decided that having their foreskin removed before they even had the concept of being Jewish was wrong for them. As for me I was raised as a Presbytarian and called a Christian by my family, nowadays after having attended different churches, reading different bibles, book of mormon, etc.. I don't believe in god, and personally don't find most religions do anything for me. I'm Catholic and Jewish, I don't celebrate either religions. I don't do Christmas, Hanukkah, Easter, etc. None of it. Not because I reject the religion, I just don't have an interest. I do, however, respect and acknowledge that religion played a moral curve to me. It taught me basic moral values that helped me live and fundamentally cooperate with society and the world (along with other factors). I'm baptized and circumcised and I'm fine with both. Their intentions aren't to force you into a religion or label you as XYZ religion, they're just using religion as a tool to guide you to grow up properly and with understanding of the rights and wrongs in life. I do love Passover though. Yes, thank God your parents cut off your foreskin, otherwise you never would have understood to love thy neighbor as thyself. Point being, I don't have an issue with it. That's wonderful. What if your son does have an issue with it? What if he does? Then what?
You've potentially harmed the relationship with your son for an admittedly irrational reason?
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On September 09 2011 12:03 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:01 RockIronrod wrote:On September 09 2011 11:59 Torte de Lini wrote:
In the end, tough luck. It's my child and I get to decide if he gets a circumcised penis or not.
Selfish? You bet?
Bullshit? Uh-huh.
Completely repulsive? Ask his future girlfriend(s)
Unfair? Ha, maybe.
Bad parenting? Yes, let's define the entirety of my potential in parenting based on a decision I took away from a barely conscious child.
I'm sure every one of you hate seeing your penis have a head. ):
I gave my rationale, even from the outer perspective its irrational, but I don't care, neither will the child (very likely) and nor will the world because no one will see it (in some rare occasion, they will). You know those rednecks who give their baby's tattoos or piercings and everyone is disgusted by them? You're unabashedly one of those now. Congratulations, here's your complimentary Insane Clown Posse shirt and "Half-dicked baby on board" car sticker. Thank you. I'm glad you're able to label someone based on one dimension of their decisions or views. You've done very well being equally as understanding as they very person you're bashing.
Just because there is more than that one aspect to your parenting philosophy, that does not mean that this one given aspect is not incredibly stupid.
It's like how I think it's incredibly wrong and stupid to bring children up believing that there's a God who will send them to Hell if they don't believe in him. I still know plenty of people who do that and are otherwise great parents.
People have flaws. It's people who recognize these flaws and say "Yeah, I know it's a flaw, but fuck it" that I don't understand. Especially when that flaw is affecting other people around you.
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On September 09 2011 12:01 Kinetik_Inferno wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 11:59 Torte de Lini wrote:
In the end, tough luck. It's my child and I get to decide if he gets a circumcised penis or not.
Selfish? You bet?
Bullshit? Uh-huh.
Completely repulsive? Ask his future girlfriend(s)
Unfair? Ha, maybe.
Bad parenting? Yes, let's define the entirety of my potential in parenting based on a decision I took away from a barely conscious child.
I'm sure every one of you hate seeing your penis have a head. ):
I gave my rationale, even from the outer perspective its irrational, but I don't care, neither will the child (very likely) and nor will the world because no one will see it (in some rare occasion, they will). All the respect I have ever had for you is now void. I cannot believe that you acknowledge and comprehend what you're doing to a baby and then saying "Fuck you I'm doing this whether you like it or not."
Sorry. To be fair, I gave alternative views and possibilities, including consent and other likelihoods.
Be realistic, I'm 22. I don't think I'm having a child in the near future. You think all these talks are permanent, in stone and will not change at all?
I'm final saying that it's my decision with my family and, if convinced, the child's at a reasonable age (not when he's an adult unless it is truly painless).
Things change, not everything will be decided in this lulz topic.
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On September 09 2011 12:03 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:01 RockIronrod wrote:On September 09 2011 11:59 Torte de Lini wrote:
In the end, tough luck. It's my child and I get to decide if he gets a circumcised penis or not.
Selfish? You bet?
Bullshit? Uh-huh.
Completely repulsive? Ask his future girlfriend(s)
Unfair? Ha, maybe.
Bad parenting? Yes, let's define the entirety of my potential in parenting based on a decision I took away from a barely conscious child.
I'm sure every one of you hate seeing your penis have a head. ):
I gave my rationale, even from the outer perspective its irrational, but I don't care, neither will the child (very likely) and nor will the world because no one will see it (in some rare occasion, they will). You know those rednecks who give their baby's tattoos or piercings and everyone is disgusted by them? You're unabashedly one of those now. Congratulations, here's your complimentary Insane Clown Posse shirt and "Half-dicked baby on board" car sticker. Thank you. I'm glad you're able to label someone based on one dimension of their decisions or views. You've done very well being equally as understanding as they very person you're bashing.
You're hardly putting your best food forward. Try to come to a moral decision here like everyone else instead of shirking the responsibility and ignoring the rights of all involved
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On September 09 2011 12:03 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:00 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 11:57 Mindcrime wrote:On September 09 2011 11:39 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 11:38 matjlav wrote:On September 09 2011 11:36 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 11:31 BlueBird. wrote:On September 09 2011 11:25 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 11:23 matjlav wrote:On September 09 2011 11:03 Torte de Lini wrote:
Lastly, circumcision is for the honor for my father's Jewish. Something I respect and is a part of all of us in this family. On September 09 2011 11:03 Torte de Lini wrote:
My parents didn't give me a choice to be circumcised. I don't have a problem with them and I take into the idea that they did it with good intentions. You guys are so bent on making sure an infant or future child will have all the decisions in their life, yet, whenever a child fucks up, we blame the parents.
Can't have both. Yes, there are some choices that we expect parents to make, and other choices that we expect their children to be allowed to make. Yes, we can have both. I'm sorry, are you saying that respecting my heritage and religion is stupid? That's very offensive, I don't like this tone and your explanation made in a meme-form. That's very disrespectful. You can have an infant make a decision about their genitalia about concepts and aspects in their life and understanding that play a heavy role in the decision. You can have both, but in this instance it's not possible. What's being implied here is an extreme of allowing the child to make a decision they can't consciously make a responsible decision over. No one is implying the child make the decision. Most people are saying the child should be left unaltered, then be informed of the decision when they reach a responsible age(Whatever that might be, personally I think it varies from person to person but I'm sure lawmaking bullshit will find that 16 or so is probably it). Sure you might still be Jewish and respect your parents, and believe that's great for you. But as far as I'm concerned I hate it when people call their children, a "insert religion here" child, and make decisions for them based on that. My step dad wanted my little sister and brother baptized at two years old, they don't even attend that church now at ten and thirteen, the thirteen your old is now an atheist.. ... I'm sure plenty of Jewish people have converted or decided that having their foreskin removed before they even had the concept of being Jewish was wrong for them. As for me I was raised as a Presbytarian and called a Christian by my family, nowadays after having attended different churches, reading different bibles, book of mormon, etc.. I don't believe in god, and personally don't find most religions do anything for me. I'm Catholic and Jewish, I don't celebrate either religions. I don't do Christmas, Hanukkah, Easter, etc. None of it. Not because I reject the religion, I just don't have an interest. I do, however, respect and acknowledge that religion played a moral curve to me. It taught me basic moral values that helped me live and fundamentally cooperate with society and the world (along with other factors). I'm baptized and circumcised and I'm fine with both. Their intentions aren't to force you into a religion or label you as XYZ religion, they're just using religion as a tool to guide you to grow up properly and with understanding of the rights and wrongs in life. I do love Passover though. Yes, thank God your parents cut off your foreskin, otherwise you never would have understood to love thy neighbor as thyself. Point being, I don't have an issue with it. That's wonderful. What if your son does have an issue with it? What if he does? Then what? You're okay with that? "Son I realise you dislike the fact I cut off part of your dick, but deal with it." How can you possibly think you are right in a scenario like that?
Never said I was right? Where did I say that?
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People tend to forget that its still surgery and there are risks that the procedure can go wrong.
Anybody remember the story of David Reimer? He was the boy that lost his penis during circumcision and was then raised as a girl. Quite a sad story.
A complete loss of the penis is estimated at 1 in a million circumcision. You can say that's pretty low risks but I would still feel so incredibly guilty if my son was that 1 in a million.
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This is so much fun!
[QUOTE]On September 09 2011 12:05 gogogadgetflow wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 09 2011 12:03 Torte de Lini wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 09 2011 12:01 RockIronrod wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 09 2011 11:59 Torte de Lini wrote:
In the end, tough luck. It's my child and I get to decide if he gets a circumcised penis or not.
Selfish? You bet?
Bullshit? Uh-huh.
Completely repulsive? Ask his future girlfriend(s)
Unfair? Ha, maybe.
Bad parenting? Yes, let's define the entirety of my potential in parenting based on a decision I took away from a barely conscious child.
I'm sure every one of you hate seeing your penis have a head. ):
I gave my rationale, even from the outer perspective its irrational, but I don't care, neither will the child (very likely) and nor will the world because no one will see it (in some rare occasion, they will).[/QUOTE]
You know those rednecks who give their baby's tattoos or piercings and everyone is disgusted by them?
You're unabashedly one of those now. Congratulations, here's your complimentary Insane Clown Posse shirt and "Half-dicked baby on board" car sticker.[/QUOTE]
Thank you. I'm glad you're able to label someone based on one dimension of their decisions or views. You've done very well being equally as understanding as they very person you're bashing.[/QUOTE]
I hope that typo is hilariously on purpose!
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On September 09 2011 12:06 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:03 RockIronrod wrote:On September 09 2011 12:00 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 11:57 Mindcrime wrote:On September 09 2011 11:39 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 11:38 matjlav wrote:On September 09 2011 11:36 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 11:31 BlueBird. wrote:On September 09 2011 11:25 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 11:23 matjlav wrote:[quote] [quote] Yes, there are some choices that we expect parents to make, and other choices that we expect their children to be allowed to make. Yes, we can have both. I'm sorry, are you saying that respecting my heritage and religion is stupid? That's very offensive, I don't like this tone and your explanation made in a meme-form. That's very disrespectful. You can have an infant make a decision about their genitalia about concepts and aspects in their life and understanding that play a heavy role in the decision. You can have both, but in this instance it's not possible. What's being implied here is an extreme of allowing the child to make a decision they can't consciously make a responsible decision over. No one is implying the child make the decision. Most people are saying the child should be left unaltered, then be informed of the decision when they reach a responsible age(Whatever that might be, personally I think it varies from person to person but I'm sure lawmaking bullshit will find that 16 or so is probably it). Sure you might still be Jewish and respect your parents, and believe that's great for you. But as far as I'm concerned I hate it when people call their children, a "insert religion here" child, and make decisions for them based on that. My step dad wanted my little sister and brother baptized at two years old, they don't even attend that church now at ten and thirteen, the thirteen your old is now an atheist.. ... I'm sure plenty of Jewish people have converted or decided that having their foreskin removed before they even had the concept of being Jewish was wrong for them. As for me I was raised as a Presbytarian and called a Christian by my family, nowadays after having attended different churches, reading different bibles, book of mormon, etc.. I don't believe in god, and personally don't find most religions do anything for me. I'm Catholic and Jewish, I don't celebrate either religions. I don't do Christmas, Hanukkah, Easter, etc. None of it. Not because I reject the religion, I just don't have an interest. I do, however, respect and acknowledge that religion played a moral curve to me. It taught me basic moral values that helped me live and fundamentally cooperate with society and the world (along with other factors). I'm baptized and circumcised and I'm fine with both. Their intentions aren't to force you into a religion or label you as XYZ religion, they're just using religion as a tool to guide you to grow up properly and with understanding of the rights and wrongs in life. I do love Passover though. Yes, thank God your parents cut off your foreskin, otherwise you never would have understood to love thy neighbor as thyself. Point being, I don't have an issue with it. That's wonderful. What if your son does have an issue with it? What if he does? Then what? You're okay with that? "Son I realise you dislike the fact I cut off part of your dick, but deal with it." How can you possibly think you are right in a scenario like that? Never said I was right? Where did I say that?
So you're arguing despite knowing you're wrong. Okay then, discussion over, you're a terrible hypocritical person.
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I guess I'm what you'd call a skin head.
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On September 09 2011 12:02 gogogadgetflow wrote:
I'm cut but not for religious reasons.
So after doing some research I found out that based on the preponderance of the evidence both for and against, no esteemed health organization in the world suggests routine infant circumcision. Even in the socially conservative, mostly-circumcised US, the American Pediatric Association did not come out in favor of circumcision.
With that in mind I decided that I would let my kid decide for himself if and when he wanted what basically amounts to genital cosmetic surgery.
My girlfriend is appalled, however. She said she would not find my cock nearly as sexy uncircumcised (insult or flattery?), and that she would in fact have been very shocked and halfway disgusted to find an uncircumcised one. In short, she wants her kid to look 'normal' like me.
Now I have to re-evaluate my position: if the health pros/cons are even, can I make a cosmetic decision for my kid? I still lean to no.
I think what you do is slap your gf for being such a shallow idiot really haha! I mean halfway disgusted?? Jesus im never ever ever going near an american girl if they freak out over this kind of stuff.
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On September 09 2011 12:04 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:03 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:01 RockIronrod wrote:On September 09 2011 11:59 Torte de Lini wrote:
In the end, tough luck. It's my child and I get to decide if he gets a circumcised penis or not.
Selfish? You bet?
Bullshit? Uh-huh.
Completely repulsive? Ask his future girlfriend(s)
Unfair? Ha, maybe.
Bad parenting? Yes, let's define the entirety of my potential in parenting based on a decision I took away from a barely conscious child.
I'm sure every one of you hate seeing your penis have a head. ):
I gave my rationale, even from the outer perspective its irrational, but I don't care, neither will the child (very likely) and nor will the world because no one will see it (in some rare occasion, they will). You know those rednecks who give their baby's tattoos or piercings and everyone is disgusted by them? You're unabashedly one of those now. Congratulations, here's your complimentary Insane Clown Posse shirt and "Half-dicked baby on board" car sticker. Thank you. I'm glad you're able to label someone based on one dimension of their decisions or views. You've done very well being equally as understanding as they very person you're bashing. Just because there is more than that one aspect to your parenting philosophy, that does not mean that this one given aspect is not incredibly stupid. It's like how I think it's incredibly wrong and stupid to bring children up believing that there's a God who will send them to Hell if they don't believe in him. I still know plenty of people who do that and are otherwise great parents. People have flaws. It's people who recognize these flaws and say "Yeah, I know it's a flaw, but fuck it" that I don't understand. Especially when that flaw is affecting other people around you.
The flaw is minor in the grand scheme of things. You guys exaggerate and distort it heavily with general descriptions!
YOURE CUTTING OFF A PART OF HIS PENIS
Yeah, foreskin that plays no actual or significant role in the function of the body
YOURE SO SHALLOW FOR DOING IT FOR COSMETIC REASON
etc etc etc
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Did a girl go ewwy at your dick cause you aint circumsized and you inherited and inferiority complex because of it and decided you needed to post a very biased post about how its awesome?
User was warned for this post
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On September 09 2011 12:08 BigLighthouse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:02 gogogadgetflow wrote:
I'm cut but not for religious reasons.
So after doing some research I found out that based on the preponderance of the evidence both for and against, no esteemed health organization in the world suggests routine infant circumcision. Even in the socially conservative, mostly-circumcised US, the American Pediatric Association did not come out in favor of circumcision.
With that in mind I decided that I would let my kid decide for himself if and when he wanted what basically amounts to genital cosmetic surgery.
My girlfriend is appalled, however. She said she would not find my cock nearly as sexy uncircumcised (insult or flattery?), and that she would in fact have been very shocked and halfway disgusted to find an uncircumcised one. In short, she wants her kid to look 'normal' like me.
Now I have to re-evaluate my position: if the health pros/cons are even, can I make a cosmetic decision for my kid? I still lean to no. I think what you do is slap your gf for being such a shallow idiot really haha! I mean halfway disgusted?? Jesus im never ever ever going near an american girl if they freak out over this kind of stuff.
Seriously. Do you really want your son dating vapid bitches who will dump him because of his non-mutilation?
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On September 09 2011 12:07 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:06 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 12:03 RockIronrod wrote:On September 09 2011 12:00 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 11:57 Mindcrime wrote:On September 09 2011 11:39 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 11:38 matjlav wrote:On September 09 2011 11:36 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 09 2011 11:31 BlueBird. wrote:On September 09 2011 11:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
[quote]
I'm sorry, are you saying that respecting my heritage and religion is stupid?
That's very offensive, I don't like this tone and your explanation made in a meme-form. That's very disrespectful.
You can have an infant make a decision about their genitalia about concepts and aspects in their life and understanding that play a heavy role in the decision.
You can have both, but in this instance it's not possible. What's being implied here is an extreme of allowing the child to make a decision they can't consciously make a responsible decision over. No one is implying the child make the decision. Most people are saying the child should be left unaltered, then be informed of the decision when they reach a responsible age(Whatever that might be, personally I think it varies from person to person but I'm sure lawmaking bullshit will find that 16 or so is probably it). Sure you might still be Jewish and respect your parents, and believe that's great for you. But as far as I'm concerned I hate it when people call their children, a "insert religion here" child, and make decisions for them based on that. My step dad wanted my little sister and brother baptized at two years old, they don't even attend that church now at ten and thirteen, the thirteen your old is now an atheist.. ... I'm sure plenty of Jewish people have converted or decided that having their foreskin removed before they even had the concept of being Jewish was wrong for them. As for me I was raised as a Presbytarian and called a Christian by my family, nowadays after having attended different churches, reading different bibles, book of mormon, etc.. I don't believe in god, and personally don't find most religions do anything for me. I'm Catholic and Jewish, I don't celebrate either religions. I don't do Christmas, Hanukkah, Easter, etc. None of it. Not because I reject the religion, I just don't have an interest. I do, however, respect and acknowledge that religion played a moral curve to me. It taught me basic moral values that helped me live and fundamentally cooperate with society and the world (along with other factors). I'm baptized and circumcised and I'm fine with both. Their intentions aren't to force you into a religion or label you as XYZ religion, they're just using religion as a tool to guide you to grow up properly and with understanding of the rights and wrongs in life. I do love Passover though. Yes, thank God your parents cut off your foreskin, otherwise you never would have understood to love thy neighbor as thyself. Point being, I don't have an issue with it. That's wonderful. What if your son does have an issue with it? What if he does? Then what? You're okay with that? "Son I realise you dislike the fact I cut off part of your dick, but deal with it." How can you possibly think you are right in a scenario like that? Never said I was right? Where did I say that? So you're arguing despite knowing you're wrong. Okay then, discussion over, you're a terrible hypocritical person.
I never said I was wrong either o_O
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This post is more biased than Artosis/Idra - Balance
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