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RealQ
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Tommie
China658 Posts
On August 11 2011 20:47 RealQ wrote: Genius just held a 1/1/1 . The end of the world is near. I alreay said: dont quote that game since it is the worst executed 1-1-1 ever. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
It's not Infestors that solved ZvP anyway which was the source of most of the whining. | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
On August 11 2011 20:47 RealQ wrote: Genius just held a 1/1/1 . The end of the world is near. all it proves is if the Terran doesnt bunker and doesnt siege his tanks we can hold it haha | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On August 11 2011 20:47 Tommie wrote: I alreay said: dont quote that game since it is the worst executed 1-1-1 ever. Worst after Tarson's game where he just forgets the siege mode upgrade altogether :D | ||
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Mikami_
Estonia274 Posts
Its banshee into Raven into banshee not banshee into banshee into raven the reason for this is because Raven needs to get 100 energy for PDD" | ||
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Leyra
United States1222 Posts
On August 11 2011 20:47 RealQ wrote: Genius just held a 1/1/1 . The end of the world is near. I said it in the LR thread, I'll say it here. Thorzain definitely purposely fucked that build up just so Blizz wouldn't nerf 1/1/1 ;D | ||
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nemo14
United States425 Posts
On August 11 2011 20:53 Leyra wrote: I said it in the LR thread, I'll say it here. Thorzain definitely purposely fucked that build up just so Blizz wouldn't nerf 1/1/1 ;D Sounds about right to me. Thorzain isn't just playing against his opponents, he's playing against THE MAN. | ||
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
On August 11 2011 20:53 Leyra wrote: I said it in the LR thread, I'll say it here. Thorzain definitely purposely fucked that build up just so Blizz wouldn't nerf 1/1/1 ;D My guess is, he did it because he wanted to give Naniwa a chance to play. Either that, or nerves finally got to him. I mean, he did this build in multiple high-profile games successfuly. He's like 2-0 with it against MC, and he also beat Naniwa with it in TSL3 finals, so I'm pretty sure he knows how to do it properly. | ||
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hi im new
Germany150 Posts
of course nerves got to him. | ||
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Raine
Canada210 Posts
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Esper
United States87 Posts
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eourcs
United States459 Posts
On August 11 2011 23:46 jhsu98 wrote: To me it's not an issue of who's winning and who's losing more as the distribution of races in the GSL. It's overwhelmingly Terran and I think that speaks volumes about that race over the other two. Terran have the greatest diversity in harassment and builds while having the most minimal of repercussions when they fail compared to Protoss/Zerg. Part of that in my opinion is due to the effectiveness of medivacs but not a balance post right? Protoss' tech trees are pretty strongly defined meaning it's difficult to choose one path and then switch to another. I think that pros have been able to identify a Protoss' build early on and exploit that by knowing what he'll be doing 5 minutes down the line and countering that. I think people have to look more at the actual players in the GSL, and not the number before they make balance assumptions. When you look at it, there are the good protosses (MC, Puzzle, HuK), the cheesy/extremely risky (Hongun, Alicia, Tassadar), and the rest are quite frankly, not that good (sangho, genius, tester). However, when you look at terran, theres the established terrans (Mvp, bomber, nada, byun, mma, etc), and the upcoming terrans (Noblesse, SC, Happy, Nuclear, ganzi, rying, etc). All the terrans that have gotten here through allins/cheeses (the 1/1/1 allin is in only 1 matchup and few do it everygame) are out. There is simply a lot more better terrans than there is protoss. | ||
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Xahhk
Canada540 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:34 zeru wrote: It's not about suffering, its about figuring it out. All this protoss whine just reminds me of the zerg whine when they couldn't beat deathballs and said there was no solution and kept a-moving roach hydra into cols. Contrary to popular (zerg?) belief, zergs started winning a lot more, and the win rate was increasing steadily since january, when they learned to play better, the infestor buff didn't matter much at all vs deathballs as people think, of course win rates for zerg kept growing after infestor buff for a while too, however that wasn't. Race win rate shifts are extremely common. If it goes on for too long an there actually isnt anything that can be done about it, blizzard will fix it. Toss should just play better huh? What do you do against a Roach, Broodlord, Fungal composition besides doing timing pushes early on? Voidrays, stalkers, high templar, immortals, collossi are often used against such an army and it is often disastrous for the toss even when the zerg's only concern is to control infestors (which you don't need to do apparently if you make 40 like destiny and a move that as well). | ||
Poopi
France12911 Posts
On August 11 2011 23:03 Toadvine wrote: My guess is, he did it because he wanted to give Naniwa a chance to play. Either that, or nerves finally got to him. I mean, he did this build in multiple high-profile games successfuly. He's like 2-0 with it against MC, and he also beat Naniwa with it in TSL3 finals, so I'm pretty sure he knows how to do it properly. He did it because he didn't know a fuck about Belshir'Beach, as simple as that. But he probably didn't fuck up the build on purpose, it's just that if that build was that powerful and easy some of the best microers (MMA & ThorZain) would have won their games easy... | ||
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Not_That
287 Posts
I have no doubt that if MC was playing any other race he wouldn't be going to the up and down matches, and quite frankly I am worried for Huk as well. | ||
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
On August 11 2011 23:56 eourcs wrote: I think people have to look more at the actual players in the GSL, and not the number before they make balance assumptions. When you look at it, there are the good protosses (MC, Puzzle, HuK), the cheesy/extremely risky (Hongun, Alicia, Tassadar), and the rest are quite frankly, not that good (sangho, genius, tester). However, when you look at terran, theres the established terrans (Mvp, bomber, nada, byun, mma, etc), and the upcoming terrans (Noblesse, SC, Happy, Nuclear, ganzi, rying, etc). All the terrans that have gotten here through allins/cheeses (the 1/1/1 allin is in only 1 matchup and few do it everygame) are out. There is simply a lot more better terrans than there is protoss. Yeah man, I wish Protoss had truly good players like Byun, that would make the race much more successful for sure! The "upcoming Terran" situation is actually kind of funny. Since most of Code A and Code S are Terran, you can be a pretty successful player just by having a good TvT, and all-ining Protoss every game. That's practically how the July Up/Down matches went. To be more specific, the last time Noblesse tried to play straight up against Protoss, he got destroyed by Tassadar. He's had way more success since he started all-ining every game, even took out MC. Similarly, Happy got absolutely smashed 3-0 by Puzzle while trying to cheese and do weird builds in general. Ganzi qualified for Code A by doing the 1/1/1 every game vs Protoss. I'm expecting more well-rounded Terrans to fall out of Code S in favor of TvT specialists. It already happened to sC and MKP. I guess Nestea will be happy, more easy GSL wins for him. On August 12 2011 00:01 Poopi wrote: He did it because he didn't know a fuck about Belshir'Beach, as simple as that. But he probably didn't fuck up the build on purpose, it's just that if that build was that powerful and easy some of the best microers (MMA & ThorZain) would have won their games easy... I know he didn't do it on purpose, that was just a joke. He did fuck it up pretty badly though. He build the Raven too late and didn't have enough energy for PDD as he arrived at the Protoss base. He didn't Siege his Tanks, and let them shoot away at Genius' probes. And he also had Banshees floating directly over Stalkers. I mean, you can argue about "best microers" all you want, but just watch the games. MMA failed soo hard with this build, and almost won anyway. He was kind of playing bad in general that day, and went like 0-4 I believe, shit happens. | ||
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eourcs
United States459 Posts
On August 12 2011 00:04 Not_That wrote: The argument that Terran players are simply better than Protoss players has to stop. The reason it seems that way is because if the Terran players have more / better tools at their disposal, it will compliment the player well. In your own example you named Byun, who is a former Protoss player and as Protoss he didn't do well at all, then he switched to Terran and proceeded to produce results. The 3 Protoss players that you named (with emphasis on MC and Huk) are not merely 'good Protoss', but they are amazing players, and that is the biggest factor why they have been able to produce the results that they have so far. + Show Spoiler + I have no doubt that if MC was playing any other race he wouldn't be going to the up and down matches, and quite frankly I am worried for Huk as well. Byun played protoss as Bleach in season1, everybody was terrible back then. By now, Byun has played a lot more terran than he has protoss. All I'm saying is that there's really only 3 "amazing" protosses, while theres tons more for terrans. Are you really going to tell me that Alicia, Hongun, Tassadar, Inca, and Sangho are better skill-wise than all the other names that I mentioned. Protoss doesn't have any new blood, it has pretty much stagnated, while solid terrans with great mechanics are coming out every month it seems. | ||
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fARLEY
United States45 Posts
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
On August 11 2011 20:51 ZenithM wrote: Worst after Tarson's game where he just forgets the siege mode upgrade altogether :D Yeah i thumbs up that one. Tarsons was so funny. I wonder if he had been drinking just before the game  | ||
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