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SoulTakerz
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada353 Posts
June 29 2011 06:07 GMT
#41
Everyone have difference taste in fun, I don't think you are competitive enough to enjoy Starcraft. I take loses as fun, because it show that I have much to learn so it keep me wanting to play more to get better.

But to answer your question, ya just keep playing and eventually you will be put with people your skill level and have fun winning and losing.
Lee Jae fucking Dong Bitches
wonderwall
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
New Zealand695 Posts
June 29 2011 06:09 GMT
#42
Well it seems for you that winning is fun but you don't want to take the steps required to win. Perhaps have fun by just messing around with friends in customs and obs maps? It seems a bit perplexing that you want to stop losing but you don't want to do what is required to stop losing.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
June 29 2011 06:10 GMT
#43
you are in platinum, so you probably don't have enough game sense to make "reliable" creative strategies to play around with and have fun with

A great way to have fun is to play with friends and practice with them. It's infinitely more fun than playing on the ladder, which can be stressful and tiring
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densha
Profile Joined December 2010
United States797 Posts
June 29 2011 06:13 GMT
#44
Here's a mistake a lot of new players make: just because your league says "Platinum" that doesn't necessarily mean you're in Platinum. If you keep losing games, the system will adjust (and since you presumably have so few games at this point, it will adjust rapidly). You need to give the system a good 30 to 50 games to figure out where your skill level lies.

Remember that a part of SC is also losing streaks. I have about 1000 games behind me and my MMR (hidden skill rating) is firmly established, but I regularly still hit 5+ game losing streaks. It happens and always will, just don't get discouraged by it.
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 29 2011 06:21 GMT
#45
Play FFA and don't care if you win/lose. FFA is pretty awesome and you can get to the midgame pretty easy.
I had a good night of sleep.
Irrelevant
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2364 Posts
June 29 2011 06:22 GMT
#46
If you want fun go back and play BW it has alot more to offer
SoulSever
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada779 Posts
June 29 2011 06:22 GMT
#47
I would suggest either get into streaming because it can help alot or play some fun games like monobattles or whatnot to devellop mechanics while not being too serious
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DesertedPanda
Profile Joined March 2011
United States10 Posts
June 29 2011 06:24 GMT
#48
Further clarification:
-My friends are just plain scared of starcraft. It's not like they bought it, tried it and then became scared, they just caught on the the whole "Koreans play it, 400APM, massive battles" aspect of it and decided that it wasn't worth the effort to play a single game. At one point I handed one of them the computer with the game running and invited them to try it. In other words I have no Starcraft friends. Me adding every gold random on the US practice buddy thread that has "will use skype" in their description will hopefully remedy the situation.

-I'm not proud of my platinum rank. The reason I say that is because I know that I'm not platinum material just because 4 people cheesed me and I used my eyes to see it. This is not me being concerned because I'm not going to be in platinum much longer, its me being concerned because I might be stuck in platinum too long.

-I am not afraid to lose. The act of losing does not upset me because it is impossible for me to always win. An upset loss does not upset me because upsets happen. A loss in general does not upset me because I am not good at this game. What I am upset about is the potential for me to just lose a ton of games until I'm at my proper rank. What upsets me even more is that I can lose 4 games in a row and go down 11 rank, but then win one game and go up 30 rank, because surely this prolongs the arduous journey to my proper rank. Also, I am aware used the word upset far too many times in this paragraph.

-Throwing away tons of games just to get to silver will cost me the following: a ton of valuable replays that I could watch, a ton of people that I could possibly add to my friends list and learn from, and a ton of opportunities for me to practice against an opponent who exposes my greatest flaws so that I can hopefully learn how to fix them. It is, however, possibly the most tempting proposition I have ever had to consider in a video game.


densha
Profile Joined December 2010
United States797 Posts
June 29 2011 06:29 GMT
#49
On June 29 2011 15:24 DesertedPanda wrote:
Further clarification:
-I'm not proud of my platinum rank. The reason I say that is because I know that I'm not platinum material just because 4 people cheesed me and I used my eyes to see it. This is not me being concerned because I'm not going to be in platinum much longer, its me being concerned because I might be stuck in platinum too long.

-Throwing away tons of games just to get to silver will cost me the following: a ton of valuable replays that I could watch, a ton of people that I could possibly add to my friends list and learn from, and a ton of opportunities for me to practice against an opponent who exposes my greatest flaws so that I can hopefully learn how to fix them. It is, however, possibly the most tempting proposition I have ever had to consider in a video game.




1. Again, just because you have the Plat icon doesn't mean you're playing Plat players. Each league has a wide range of skills and from what I remember of Platinum there was a clear distinction between low/mid/high plat just as there is a huge distinction among low/mid/high diamond and masters. SInce you have so few games played, it will not take the system long to figure out where you should actually be. The placement matches don't lock you in at all and it's really the next 30-50 matches that will have you placed correctly.

2. I don't understand why reiterate that you're concerned about being "stuck" in Platinum (even though, as I explained before, your League icon is meaningless) but then come up with a list of reasons why you like to be in Platinum. What are you really trying to get from posting here?
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.
OSM.OneManArmy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States509 Posts
June 29 2011 06:34 GMT
#50
I don't really understand how nobody here does not feel satisfaction and joy in winning haha, StarCraft, and tons of other games, are fun when you WIN. Start getting better and improving, do some customs, and when you dominate people, you'll smile and grin like a chessycat when you win matches.
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sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 06:35:35
June 29 2011 06:35 GMT
#51
Pick one underused cool unit and try to make a strategy around it. you will lose a whole bunch and that will accomplish the task of getting you out of platinum.

When I started that unit was templar (back when nobody realized KA was broken and tosses only ever built colossus). I would only go templar tech in both non pvp matchups and try to figure out how it worked because warping in storms was the most fun I've ever had in starcraft. Then you will be unexpectedly ahead of the metagame, which is another bonus :D.

edit: as people have said, though, part of what makes starcraft the game it is is that it is REALLY REALLY hard.
shikata ga nai
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
June 29 2011 06:39 GMT
#52
You are taking the game too seriously. I personally think the game is more fun when I'm playing with my friends, regardless of the game type (1v1, 2v2, FFA) Do I really improve? I don't play nearly enough to improve but I have tons of fun doing things like mass queen nydus play and blink stalker builds. If you're not having fun just stop playing.
DesertedPanda
Profile Joined March 2011
United States10 Posts
June 29 2011 06:43 GMT
#53
On June 29 2011 15:29 densha wrote:

1. Again, just because you have the Plat icon doesn't mean you're playing Plat players. Each league has a wide range of skills and from what I remember of Platinum there was a clear distinction between low/mid/high plat just as there is a huge distinction among low/mid/high diamond and masters. SInce you have so few games played, it will not take the system long to figure out where you should actually be. The placement matches don't lock you in at all and it's really the next 30-50 matches that will have you placed correctly.

2. I don't understand why reiterate that you're concerned about being "stuck" in Platinum (even though, as I explained before, your League icon is meaningless) but then come up with a list of reasons why you like to be in Platinum. What are you really trying to get from posting here?


I was addressing people suggesting that I should just join and quit games until I'm a silver leaguer. That is not a reason why I like to be in platinum. That is me trying to say that I want to at least learn from my mistakes (if possible) and learn how other people play as I gradually descend to whatever rank I end up at. My starting and ending points are irrelevant, its how I handle the next 30-50 games that I am concerned about.

My concern about being 'stuck' in platinum is not me failing to consider the difficulty of opponents that I face. It was me saying that I notice how a win seems to shift the balance of things quite drastically. The ideal path to my true rank would be me losing every single game until I reach my true rank and proceed to establish a W/L ratio of 1. That isn't likely to happen, obviously. It appeared to me that a win against someone who is the same rank (ish) as the four people I just lost to seems to sway things rather substantially in the opposite direction. Clearly, as many people have pointed out both before and after I brought it up, this is not the case. I apologize for being an idiot and not understanding what people were saying. As you can probably tell, the gameplay isn't the only thing that I'm unfamiliar with.
Bao
Profile Joined February 2011
United States89 Posts
June 29 2011 06:44 GMT
#54
play with friends. losing to friends is a lot less painful than losing ladder games

when you're sick of playing your current race, offrace for a while. a new outlook on the game is really refreshing
Joseph123
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria1144 Posts
June 29 2011 06:46 GMT
#55
Pick a build for every matchup and every map and start doing them until you learn them flawlessly
warcralft
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore609 Posts
June 29 2011 06:46 GMT
#56
Play play play. BM RAGE. Cheese till u get demoted to bronze. You'll notice a huge amount of BM/Rage that makes it fun.
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
June 29 2011 06:47 GMT
#57
everygame you feel yourself get better.

losing is ripening the fruit

winning is eating it

eventually you'll be able to get a better tasting product after many times. there are 2 kinds of motivation in sc2, short and long. long is watching yourself get better and getting promoted etc. short term is winning. you need to satisfy those to have fun
Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
June 29 2011 06:48 GMT
#58
If you want to improve, you need to embrace the fact that you suck. This mindset made me recover from horrible loss streaks. Without accepting this, you will continue to blame the game, the people who cheese or anything else. The people who cheese win because we failed to defend it.

Get on ladder 1v1 and start playing. Your rank, position, league does not matter to anyone but you. Watch tourneys, streams and other shows that talk about the game in a useful way. Try to understand what pros do and why they do it. Check for threads in the strategy forum.
"I am a beacon of knowledge blazing out across a black sea of ignorance. "
Spaceninja
Profile Joined April 2010
United States211 Posts
June 29 2011 06:49 GMT
#59
On June 29 2011 15:47 shawster wrote:
everygame you feel yourself get better.

losing is ripening the fruit

winning is eating it

eventually you'll be able to get a better tasting product after many times. there are 2 kinds of motivation in sc2, short and long. long is watching yourself get better and getting promoted etc. short term is winning. you need to satisfy those to have fun


I'm hungry now...
Haters Gonna Hate.
AngryFarmer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States560 Posts
June 29 2011 06:59 GMT
#60
i would suggest you play team games rather than just 1v1 games. A teammate can often buffer your mistakes and it's also less lonely. You can eventually develop some mechanics that can be used in 1v1. I also love playing against sucky opponents so if i was placed into a lower league with a noob friend, i would still be having a lot of fun because I can do crazy shit that normally wouldn't work.
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