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On June 29 2011 14:42 shadowboxer wrote:
This games not fun. If you want to have fun, Starcraft isn't for you. It's for people who want to live the dream of e-sports so if that's not your goal I personally don't know why you play it.
I have a ton of fun playing Starcraft, yes even 1v1.
No other game can give me the satisfaction I get from a well executed macro game.
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1. play monobattles (people there are terrible)
2. cheese in custom games
3. play with people you know, that's the best part
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OP you suffer from the same problem I have  . I got around it a few months by trying out the different races and different builds such as fast expands or spanishwa's build.
I gues try custom games but I've never done them (mainly due to the horrible interface)
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I highly doubt you are losing more than 50% of your games. The match making will keep you around 50% win/lose unless your in the bottom league and are simple bad at the game. Your MMR will constantly change depending on who your beating or who your losing to. Then you will face people with similar skill level. You face worse people the more you lose but it evens out fast.
Playing people with the same skill level can one the best ways to get better but you have to play a decent amount and not be scared to lose half the games you play.
I'm sure you know how to get better at the game. Watching VODs, streams and replays slowly adding things to your game it just takes time. Gain skill and you will find enjoyment and satisfaction in that unless strategy games aren't for you.
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On June 29 2011 14:42 shadowboxer wrote:
This games not fun. If you want to have fun, Starcraft isn't for you. It's for people who want to live the dream of e-sports so if that's not your goal I personally don't know why you play it.
To answer your question though, if you want to improve watch a replay of a pro doing a "solid" opening, note the timings he gets things and try to mirror it in an empty game with yourself(create a game without an opponent and just hit return to game after you win). You'll see how far your shit is off. Keep trying to mirror that pro until you have it down. Note what he does after he gets past the opener safely and mirror it. That's the only way to improve in SC2, massing games does nothing if you have no direction or goal with it.
Swing and a miss. Playing a game to enjoy it and because it entertains you is not a possibility?
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who said you couldn't ladder to practice macro?
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the system tried to make a statistical conclusion of your skill off only 5 placement matches. in statistics, at least 30 samples is usually required for a strong conclusion. basically, the system can't make very good predictions after only seeing you play for 5 games.
Since you lose mostly all of your recent games, you probably don't belong in platinum. yes you win the 6 minute games versus cheesy players, but your platinum opponents are probably beating you in anything past that.
i know you may be proud of a high starting rank, but dont let it give you a false ego where you fear getting demoted.
not all hope is lost, as the system knows its conclusion of platinum is a risky conclusion, and u will be properly re-categorized within enough games played. eventually, u and the ladder will get to a point where u win/lose 50/50.
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Learn some 2-base all ins or some other long build olders, they are not so easy to execute but quick to learn (if you know what i mean). Also when when you see you have too much money, just throw multiple extra buildings down and queue alot of units, its not that much worse than playing correctly, but doing that you stedily learn
That is the way i learned my macro.
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If it's not fun, don't play.
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Hey man,
If you really did get placed higher than your actual skill you should just keep playing ladder. Your MMR will drop rather quickly and you should get replaced in a more appropriate league.
With regards to having fun while playing, I believe it is all in the mind. You need to learn not to get angry at your loses and think of each of the as a learning experience. Next time you face that tactic you will be a little bit better.
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Its definitely hard for you to have fun in 1v1 if you aren't improving or striving to improve IMO. I would suggest playing customs or something else that is less stressful, then go back to 1v1s or get practice partners so you are above the skill for your league and have fun crushing the players in your league.
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You should try "multitasking observers" on sc2 custom game list. Its a custom game where you have to manage a bunch of different things at the same time like keeping money low, macro energy ect ect.
I found it fun because of how stupid hard it was when I started, maybe thats just my sense of humor haha.
You could also learn cheeses that are fun like cannon rush, inbase hatch, marine scv all-ins. And just badmanner once you know you won.
You could also look around for practice partners, they can make the game fun. Some channels with lots of people I know of are "tangstarcraft", "starcraft 2 armory", and the zerg or protoss strategy channels.
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Edit: zzzz wrong thread, sorry.
If what you want is fun, play some team games and customs.
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On June 29 2011 14:36 Xova wrote:
Its extremely difficult to play this game and actually have a good time, unless you're playing team games with friends. As for 1v1 I don't think there is much fun to be had while learning.
All I play is 1v1 and by the end of the day I feel like going into baby punching mode, but yet I do it again the next day...
The anger in losing vastly out weighs the fun of winning. When I win it's like, "cool, I played kind good that game" When I lose it's like "where's the razors"
Really reminds me of when I was a kid. I would get so pissed off, miss a jump in mario, die before a save point in FF, losing the playoffs in Blades of Steel (best hockey game ever) I would whip my controller at the wall, the tv, my sister. The console would come flying off the tv stand and land hard on the floor. Maybe that's why I had to blow in the cartridge or turn the power button on and off really fast till it worked again. Ya when I was a kid I had a temper when it came to video games.
I grew older, still playing video games, only the anger wasn't really there anymore.. if i died, whatevs, I would just hit continue from last save point and go my merry way, no throwing controllers anymore, consoles lasted longer, my sister wasn't afraid to come around the TV anymore.
I'm married now, have three kids.. still continue to play video games. Really only play SC2 now, anger has returned... controllers graduated to keyboards. consoles to usb ports, and my poor wife....
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These are the things I'm looking for! I'm making a list to remind myself in game. Allow me to clarify a few things:
1. I don't mind losing. I can't find my W/L ratio and I never intend to do so. However, being beaten into the ground over and over again is not fun. My games don't end with "oh darn, he got the drop on me with that strat," they usually end with "I cannot keep up with him at all." Sure, it'll happen occasionally, and I understand that. But I don't think it should happen every single time.
2. I don't want to just quit games over and over. That makes me a quitter. Word zealots can still attack.
3. I understand that normal people aren't in happy mode when they are in the thick of an intense game. I just want more games to end with me actually meaning gg when I say it.
4. I know that customs aren't ranked, but preserving my ranking isn't exactly my highest priority right now.
And, if you're willing, I have a few more in-depth questions regarding some suggestions:
-My concern about tournaments is that the whole "seeing how far or high you can get" part will end up with me getting knocked out instantly. Should I wait a bit, or jump right in?
-How good of an opponent should I play? Right now I'm playing great opponents, but they're owning the crap out of me in absolutely 1-sided games. Should I just go with a gold practice partner or stick with platinum?
-I've heard a ton about how team matches don't help you get better at all. Is that really true, or is it just angry people being angry?
These suggestions are awesome! Please keep it up! (Especially anything crazy)
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If you want to have fun, do some unorthodox builds and sneaky stuff. I find it quite fun to surprise your opponent and see him raging because you play cheesy 
You can also play some 2v2 and 3v3 with friends on skype, it's a ton of fun.
If you are a competitor, you should have fun to get better in 1v1, think on how to get better, on strategies, etc. and reach your goals (Master, top Master, GM, etc.)
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it may be difficult for you because one of the things i enjoy most about starcraft is getting better!
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1v1 can be fun too, just seems as your veiw is a bit wrong when it comes to 1v1. Losing may not be the most fun at all, but seeing the improvements happening over time and how you yourself get higher and higher in skill is always really fun. At least for me.
We all get pissed when we get cheesed or something, or lose in general. I tend to be really pissed for a couple of seconds after a loss. But sounds like you just need to work on those basic stuff, scouting and getting a really safe opening down and follow up. Dont sit with the computer and train macro, it can work for small parts of it. But if you dont really think it's that fun sit on the ladder and train. + when you're training vs a computer your never afraid of somethng and often tend to focus hard on macro. Rather vs a player where you actually can sit worried about an allin and mabey focus more on your army movement or micro and miss stuff in your base or macro slip ups.
Get a practice partner, play more 1v1, it's darkest before the sun rises  Or just watch casts/vods and just enjoy the game without playing it ^_____^
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You could try playing certain customs - such as team monobattles. These are very fun, yet will (hopefully) give you some basic macro skills so you can be better in the long run .
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If you find some friends to play 3v3 with, I think you will find your macro and mechanics end up improving a good deal after a while. There is much less pressure to win. Also, you will get to do the placement matches all over again, and if you are really concerned about being placed too high, just lose all your placement matches, and start with your friend(s) from the bronze. When my friends and I 3v3, I do dumb things like broodlord rush off one baes, or some other nonsense. Or sometimes I just practice my 1v1 build and don't care what the other team is doing. Either way, make sure you are on Skype or some sort of voice chat with your friends while playing, and don't take it too seriously. It will be lots of fun.
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