EPTRichman "NamchiR" Chembars is a Double Tagger - Page 9
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nEAnS
Canada161 Posts
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IronMonocle
Canada142 Posts
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outerspace02
United States136 Posts
dont really care about the OP tbh | ||
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auTo.ckc
67 Posts
EDIT: It actually took me a while to write all this and while I was, apparently all the right actions were taken. I'm really glad that the community and its players step up and know how to take appropiate actions in dealing with this situation. Feel free to ignore pretty much everything under this line if you don't want to read it. Though I feel it has some pretty important points that certain people should read. I.E. Lumi ___________________________________________________________________ On June 04 2011 04:53 Lumi wrote: What's with the self-important condemnation / judgement? I thought you were better than that. How does it feel? Ideally, this community would be considerate enough to stop and question whether they lead perfect lives themselves, and then stfu over someone helping out a friend in a low-tier clan war. You may have been taking that event really seriously but knowing rich personally, and his skill level - I wouldn't be surprised if he was eating a sandwich and laughing on vent or something, talking about something irrelevant to SC2. If I were him, I may very well feel that that level of play is a joke. The guy is good. Everybody here sees "caught" and then acts like this is MLG instead of a no-name clan war where people may not be spurred to incorporate and act on the highest ethical considerations possible. There are bronze clan wars. And so what if this one wasn't? I'm just illustrating that something being a "clan war" isn't an automatic BFD that should make everybody stop and have a gandhi moment. So, really. If you make mistakes, or sometimes do things without having considered every possible thing and other party involved - (and you do) - then I'd suggest you stfu rather than continuing to embarass yourselves with your desperation to throw out impersonalized judgement and condemnation from your likewise impersonal thrones across the great wide internet. It's hypocritical to boot. Disregarding the image-projecting moral soldiers of esports forums that would respond stubbornly to this; How would you be acting or thinking about this person if you actually knew him, or were even his friend? Maybe a little different. And maybe for better reasons than a mere bias of loyalty. Maybe a little different because you actually knew anything about the people you were talking about  Food for thought. Myself and many of my SC2 friends have known Rich since beta and we can all personally tell you that he's a really great guy. <3 you Rich! Please for the love of God tell me that you being "friends" with Rich and saying that he's a "great" guy is not your ONLY defense? The guy chose to jump in as someone else and played in a match. Now regardless of whether or not it was a large event or not, Rich ended up agreeing to jumping in to play when he wasn't registered to play. Its the same exact thing as if I were to play on the online mlg qualifiers, and then asking a friend like select to jump in to win it for me. And a no-namer event? You wouldn't be saying that if you were part of the event. Even if it WAS a small one, it was probably important to all those involved, and it was obviously important enough for the manager of OP's team to have to call in richman. Remember, Savior and the whole scandal in sc1 was not just in MAJOR gaming events, but various smaller events as well, anywhere that there was monetary gain involved. Now if there was some kind of prize involved in this clan war, then that's even worse for richman's case. You are possibly the dumbest person I've ever met and though you may have a really big heart in trying to defend Rich, in the end, the words: "He's a really great guy" is not going to make any change in the fact that he did what he did. So you're telling us that he was probably eating and laughing? Cool. So why was he doing it on an account he wasn't supposed to be on? Richman had a choice to say no. I was asked to jump in for players during the cevo and esea seasons as well as other tournaments such as the newegg tourny. I declined because it was unfair to the player who might have spent the time and energy to look up your name, and study your demos. I don't know you, and honestly I am going to try not to judge you anymore then I already have, but just because you add a smiley face to your post does not make it anymore hurtful. For example: You bring up terrrble points, attack Wolf because he's trying to defend the OP, and try to talk down to players who are trying to make e-sports a better community in general. You are an idiot. See what I mean? Its still hurtful and annoying. Finally, and this is probably the thing that pisses me off the most. You treat larger and smaller events differently and discriminate between the "better players" and "shitty" players? Are you fucking KIDDING me? I can almost guarantee you that you are not the best sc2 player in the world and will never be if you keep that idealogy. People play these "small" events in order to improve themselves, and I for one always try as hard in these events as I do in the other events. Come back to the forums after you've learn some respect for your fellow players. ALL of them, and not just people you've played with like richman. Getting back to the main idea on this forums. Yes, a player who was known in the community got caught. There should be some kind of punishment for this. I thought you were better than to stoop this low too Richman. OP went out of his way and risked getting kicked off his current clan/team/organization inroder to expose this. ~auTo a.k.a. Wingless. | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
On June 04 2011 08:19 FCGpanzer wrote: In response to this issue our team FCG has removed DTank as our manager and as member of our team. I'm not going to pretend that our team is big shit and that we actually matter in the starcraft scene as we are a very unknown team. But this kind of crap that DTank pulled isn't excusable when not only did he get caught red handed in cheating in a friendly clan war, but came on here and denied it after the manger of All4One gaming said Richman admitted he played for us and there was a god damn screen shot showing that he actually did it. So I would like to apologize for DTank's actions and assure everyone that people that are on our team are very upstanding decent players that don't pull stupid shit like this. But at this point the damage is done and I hope you guys don't think poorly of our players as they really don't deserve it and a few of us told DTank not to let Richman play for us in this clan war that doesn't matter outside of a friendly scrimmage. DTank has been on the edge for awhile now on our team and we thought you know, he could maybe stop screwing up and do things he promised. But at this point it's pretty apparent that it's not going to happen so we are going to have to let him go. Anyways, sorry for the trouble folks, I hope you guys don't hold this against our other players. The matter has been dealt with internally and you won't be hearing about dumb crap like this shitting up the TL boards again. I think this is pretty important, and people should not just skip to the last page after only reading the OP. | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On June 03 2011 15:34 Torte de Lini wrote: Most teams don't want overly reactionary people on their team that they can't trust for legitimate and/or illegitimate things. The guy didn't get to play, so he goes all over the forums. The guy didn't get to play because his team preferred to cheat. People are reading too much into this, there are several active SC2 pros who have had a history with cheating/exploiting/whatever in BW and are on top teams anyway. | ||
TUski
United States1258 Posts
On June 04 2011 11:47 FliedLice wrote: The guy didn't get to play because his team preferred to cheat. People are reading too much into this, there are several active SC2 pros who have had a history with cheating/exploiting/whatever in BW and are on top teams anyway. On June 04 2011 06:34 FCGCrazedRat wrote: There are a couple things you folks here should know. 1: This was a decision made by the manager (Dtank) to put Namchir in during a casual clanwar. The rest of us (all the members of the FCG team including myself) had zero input in this decision and I actually was openly against it from the beginning (as were others on the team). Infact I argued with Dtank not to do this. 2: Dragging the entire team FCG through the mud (or attempting to) is essentially punishing a full group of players for the misdeeds of 1 person (their manager) 3: There is alot of discontent within FCG for having Dtank as our manager. Myself and others want a change of management. Dtank has not been working out as manager. 4: In conclusion, yes this was an underhanded thing that happened but please don't assume this reflects the integrity of team FCG as a whole, its members, and its attitude towards the competitive scene. FCG has nothing to do with this. Read my quoted post for more information. | ||
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KaRath_
Australia245 Posts
Energie, you did the right thing by exposing the entire thing. Maybe not necessarily by naming NamchiR as a double tagger, but at that stage we had no idea whether Richman had any idea or not what was going on. NamchiR, you've apologised for your actions, and that's good enough. You've explained yourself to the opposition team's manager (if I did read it correctly?), and he's also accepted the apology, so I don't think much of the blame should be put on Richman. Dtank, you're a lying... you know, most insults are either racist or sexist, so I'm not going to even bother posting an insult. I don't know if you can change, but it's never acceptable to say "it was just practice". Therefore, is it alright for me to use aimbots and wallhacks in Counter-Strike Source in a friendly war? Of course not. Obviously aimbots and smurfing is a completely different thing, but same principle. Oh, and the FCG clan members. It may be hard to rebuild your reputation from here on in, but I hope you guys can do it, because your posts seem sincere... I just hope they weren't from the same IP as Dtank was. And that's all I really have to say in summarising this thread. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On June 04 2011 13:06 KaRath_ wrote: After just spending ten minutes of my life actually wading through nine pages with posts by people who clearly have no lives and just want to get an reaction out of an OP and posts by people who have a certain set of standards... Energie, you did the right thing by exposing the entire thing. Maybe not necessarily by naming NamchiR as a double tagger, but at that stage we had no idea whether Richman had any idea or not what was going on. NamchiR, you've apologised for your actions, and that's good enough. You've explained yourself to the opposition team's manager (if I did read it correctly?), and he's also accepted the apology, so I don't think much of the blame should be put on Richman. Dtank, you're a lying... you know, most insults are either racist or sexist, so I'm not going to even bother posting an insult. I don't know if you can change, but it's never acceptable to say "it was just practice". Therefore, is it alright for me to use aimbots and wallhacks in Counter-Strike Source in a friendly war? Of course not. Obviously aimbots and smurfing is a completely different thing, but same principle. Oh, and the FCG clan members. It may be hard to rebuild your reputation from here on in, but I hope you guys can do it, because your posts seem sincere... I just hope they weren't from the same IP as Dtank was. And that's all I really have to say in summarising this thread. You spent 10 minutes reading all of the posts only to say the same thing everyone else did??? | ||
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
and if it was for any kind of league then it is cheating. either way i say your justified in exposing this | ||
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Pro]ChoSen-
United States318 Posts
The argument of "it was just practice it wasn't serious" then why cheat lol... that just makes it make less sense cuz it didn't even matter, not worth risking reputation to gain nothing. Pretty bad to also lie about it and deny it afterward when it was so blatantly obvious... That pretty much shoots ur credibility. Usually once a cheater/liar, always a cheater/liar, cuz that's just how you are and it will come out again eventually, I hope that's not the case for you, but that's usually how it goes... | ||
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duk3
United States807 Posts
Oh wait, so did I. I feel like this isn't really a big deal, except for DTank's terrible judgement in claiming that NamchiR did not actually smurf for them when it was already proven with screenshots and admitted by NamchiR. I can't see any reason why DTank would want to use a better player in an unofficial series, with no potential benefit and only the chance of something like this happening. | ||
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Energie
Canada74 Posts
PM me. XoXo -Energie | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On June 03 2011 15:03 Torte de Lini wrote: I wonder how those sponsors feel about the terminology "Rape time" Edit: I wonder how those sponsors feel when the players of the team they're sponsoring is unsure who their sponsor is. 1. Never heard of FCG 2. I doubt the integrity of StarCraft and the competitive scene is immensely obliterated due to this. 3. Shaming and displaying someone publicly achieves nothing. Next time, contact the authorities if this isn't just a "for-fun" scrim and let them handle it. 4. All4OneGaming should be notified. 5. Good luck in your endeavors in the StarCraft II competitive scene. 6. Your stance is understandably bias. 7. Insert other key actions that should have been done instead of talking about this publicly. 8. "FCG apparently has a sponsorship with SteelSeries," You're on their team and you don't know their sponsors? See above for edit. 9. Well, as long as it is with good intentions and not due to clouded judgement and personal anger towards a small organization. Wait a second... Still, awesome site, looks really well-done! http://www.clanfcg.com/ P.S: just to clarify, I'm not trivializing this event with my enumerations, I just don't support the way he's approaching it Why on earth would you be against him publicly exposing somebody for cheating with proof, teamliquid is full of this; many big profile hackers were caught through this, including Testie (Sorry for mentioning it  ), haypro, dino, as well as abusers like Yosh, or scan.To say somebody shouldn't do the right thing is to support doing said wrong thing. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45055 Posts
On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote: At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now. Only if those teams felt like cheating too -.-' There's nothing actually wrong with the OP exposing a cheater, if he indeed did that. While the OP is clearly emotional, it's obviously important to expose cheaters. It's just a bit more professional if it's managed in a more objective and questioning manner, rather than in an accusatory fashion. There's nothing wrong with him gathering evidence on the claim that a player might cheat. Good for you, OP. Keep things honest. | ||
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ABPID
Netherlands293 Posts
But of course, lying isn't that big of an accusation for him | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On June 04 2011 06:23 starcraft911 wrote: Ringing in a scrim when you're not short on players and when you're not disclosing it to the other team and when you're going through the trouble of having someone else pose as one of your players is beyond shady and yet you defend it. Is it a clan war or a scrim? It seems like scrim is being thrown around too much and it deflects things because in CS, using ringers in scrims was completely fair. Granted, the formats are different, but that's why I can't understand why it'd be called a scrimmage if it's a clan war. | ||
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Jopz
United States262 Posts
On June 04 2011 22:18 ABPID wrote: Anyone noticed dTank protected his friend by saying Autumn was just out for revenge and lying? But of course, lying isn't that big of an accusation for him I think the best part of the whole thread was his post. There's something eternally amusing about watching someone dig himself into a hole; it was like watching Mr. Bean on an internet forum. | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
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FCGpanzer
United States5 Posts
On June 04 2011 23:23 Jopz wrote: I think the best part of the whole thread was his post. There's something eternally amusing about watching someone dig himself into a hole; it was like watching Mr. Bean on an internet forum. Yeah, DTank is exceptionally good at digging himself a hole. The only thing that's worse than this entire situation is how bad of a player he is. | ||
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