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On June 04 2011 05:11 DTank wrote:
Yes NamchiR did play for us, but once again, i'll leave it at the fact that this was a practice scrimmage, not part of any tournament, league, and had no prize pool involved.
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On June 04 2011 04:50 DTank wrote:
Sorry for the triple post: To finalize it all, NamchiR did not ghost for us. Autumn is simply mad that we didn't let him participate on the very first day he was recruited, and in no way did i guarantee him a spot. I told him that it depends if our entire lineup shows up or not.
LOL this is hilarious
and again, the fact that it had no prize pool and wasnt for anything does not MATTER. its still CHEATING.
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I said what I said because I don't think its right how everyone was discussing NamchiR playing with us as if we were doing this @ MLG.
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On June 04 2011 05:08 Lumi wrote:
Yeah this thread really should have been about the clan not Rich. It's clear that this kid is mad about his not getting to played and then sees someone who's pretty famous and gosu and went for it like a target, specifically to ruin someones reputation. If there had been a person without as big a reputation, we wouldn't be seeing all this fanfare. Hard to be considerate when you feel like a victim, though.
Cheating is cheating and in this sport where online play leaves many opportunities for it, when caught it should be a big deal so it deters people in the future. Most of the focus has been on the clan, particularly after dTank's comments, but Rich isn't entirely without fault either. He made the right decision to admit it when asked though, meanwhile dTank dug himself deep into a hole...
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On June 04 2011 05:11 DTank wrote:
Yes NamchiR did play for us, but once again, i'll leave it at the fact that this was a practice scrimmage, not part of any tournament, league, and had no prize pool involved.
You continue to try and iterate that this "practice scrimmage" was worth nothing, and yet at the time you thought you had to win it and so you brought in someone to smurf for a win. You lost all credibility with the lie at the start. Trying to make it seem like less than it is will now hurt you worse than just admitting to it fully.
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On June 04 2011 05:14 DTank wrote:
I said what I said because I don't think its right how everyone was discussing NamchiR playing with us as if we were doing this @ MLG.
how would you do this at mlg when players are there physically in person? its not the same
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On June 04 2011 05:07 DTank wrote:
And at first I did not want to disclose that namchir played for us, because I did not want to risk him getting in trouble. Someone who has respect for friends should be able to understand that. I did not know he admitted to it prior.
That was a fantastic bit of backpedaling. If you really "didn't want to disclose" it then you could have just said nothing. But for the sake of the thread, getting caught in a bold-faced lie makes for good entertainment. Bravo!
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On June 04 2011 05:14 DTank wrote:
I said what I said because I don't think its right how everyone was discussing NamchiR playing with us as if we were doing this @ MLG.
It doesnt matter. You pretty much made this situation even worse by lying to the community.
Dont try to justify your actions. -____-
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Seriously DTank, this is like the process you'd go through in middle school, but as a respectable team leader, you'd accept your error and move forward.
It's seriously like something out of middle school. Get caught cheating, lie about cheating, teacher calls you out on your lie because your friend already admitted you two cheated, say you lied to protect your friend to try and make yourself look better, then finally resort to trying to minimize the circumstances that you cheated under, "But, it was just a homework, I don't see the big deal, it wasn't an exam".
In the future, admit your mistake, move forward. Don't shoot yourself in the foot repeatedly and try to underplay the circumstances to make it look like it wasn't a big deal, it was clearly a big deal to you if you resorted to cheating.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 04 2011 04:47 DTank wrote:
Hey,
One of my guys just informed me of this post. I'll start out saying that looking @ hotkeys, apm, whatnot does not say that that is namchir playing.
1. NamchiR did not play for us in that scrimmage.
2. Autumn is just a disgruntled former member who did not have the opportunity to play, because of the fact that he was picked up by our team on the day that the scrimmage was happening. We simply did not want to risk putting him in on the first day.
3. This scrimmage was for fun and not part of any league.
As for the comment regarding looking @ the hotkeys:
I think I speak for many people when I say that, often, players mimic pro players' hotkey settings. It is all about preference. Given the fact that you can only hotkey 1-0, there are not many variations, considering the amount of buildings that are available.
NamchiR in no way was ghosting for us.
DTank,
Manager
hmmm...
+ Show Spoiler +On June 04 2011 04:54 Wesso wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 04:50 DTank wrote:
Sorry for the triple post: To finalize it all, NamchiR did not ghost for us. Autumn is simply mad that we didn't let him participate on the very first day he was recruited, and in no way did i guarantee him a spot. I told him that it depends if our entire lineup shows up or not. Namchir admitted he ghosted... edit: found the quote Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 23:27 RuMCaKe wrote:
Alright, I actually just woke Rich up to talk to him about this and see what the deal was.
First off, he admits he did it and that he was an idiot. According to Rich someone he gives lessons to, whom actually has spent over 600 bucks with Rich asked him to do it. Rich decided to play being that he was told it wasn't for any league / turny / any kind of prize as it was just a scrimmage. He screwed up and admits he was wrong.
As the owner of ONE this does frustrate me quite a bit, and I can assure everyone that nothing like this will happen again. Right now, were here at MLG focused on performing well. Thanks for making me aware of the situation. also the hotkeys have been used forever in finding ghosters and smurfs
Cheaters and liars : one and the same
lol the triple post and subsequent posts remind me of a Dave Chappelle quote about defending yourself too hard...
"See you could tell he was guilty by the way he answered the questions with unrelated facts. For instance, the judge would ask 'Do you remember seeing the victim that night?" and he would answer 'I TOLD YOU I WORK AT BURGER KING!!' "
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Dear god DTank you just owned yourself right in the face. What a joke.
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On June 04 2011 04:47 DTank wrote:
Hey,
One of my guys just informed me of this post. I'll start out saying that looking @ hotkeys, apm, whatnot does not say that that is namchir playing.
1. NamchiR did not play for us in that scrimmage.
2. Autumn is just a disgruntled former member who did not have the opportunity to play, because of the fact that he was picked up by our team on the day that the scrimmage was happening. We simply did not want to risk putting him in on the first day.
3. This scrimmage was for fun and not part of any league.
As for the comment regarding looking @ the hotkeys:
I think I speak for many people when I say that, often, players mimic pro players' hotkey settings. It is all about preference. Given the fact that you can only hotkey 1-0, there are not many variations, considering the amount of buildings that are available.
NamchiR in no way was ghosting for us.
DTank,
Manager
What's the risk in letting a new recruit play in a scrimmage "for fun". And if it's only a scrimmage, why the need to get Rich to play for your team?
P.S. You are such a liar and you were even caught. Shame on you Mr. Manager.
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Whoa, this thread got really out of hand when DTank made a post. If it was just a scrimmage why do you need to have someone from outside of your clan play for you? Other then pride theres nothing to gain by winning. Imo it would've been better to let someone else play and get the practice.
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 mmm so good. Sorry DTank, but unless you admit you lied and apoligize your credibility is permanently shot.
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Cheating in practice matches is hilariously pathetic.
People have been banned from this site just for maphacking in practice matches on iccup, don't see how this is much different. Prize pool or not, FCG is a scum clan.
Poor decision by Richman, but at the very least he's not stupid enough to claim it never happened like DTank. rofl.
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On June 04 2011 05:31 dudeman001 wrote: mmm so good. Sorry DTank, but unless you admit you lied and apoligize your credibility is permanently shot.
Share that popcorn, holy shit! I feel bad for DTank though, didn't read the whole topic before outright lying.
What I like the most is both parties are doing this for non-personal reasons (I am doing this because this sort of stuff destroys the E-Sports community and growth/I was lying to protect a friend and his reputation), plus personal ones!
Good for Richman, though I'm not proud of him.
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At least they have a professional web design team to fall back on.
http://www.clanfcg.com/
Pretty sure they aren't sponsored by SteelSeries...
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On June 04 2011 04:49 DTank wrote:
As for the "cheating" part, if somehow namchir did ghost for us, it would not be cheating since it was a scrimmage for PRACTICE/FUN. not part of a league.
"I'm cheating but it doesn't matter because there was no money on the line" is not really an acceptable defense. The stakes don't change whether or not actual cheating happened.
If some random guy said "I only maphack on the ladder because it's only for practice/fun and doesn't actually matter", would you find that acceptable? Personally, I think it's just as deplorable. The opponents came into this thing with the expectation of fair play.
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I think the real question here is whether or not CFG could have won the match having the OP cheese or if they needed namhcir's finesse to execute said cheese.
needless to say, the op reacted poorly. the clan leader of cfg is making himself look like a bigger baffoon denying it more. why is namhcir risking anything for a clanwar that is "for fun" the whole thing of "for fun" is for practice/fun, this seems so freaking retarded its not even funny.
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On June 03 2011 23:03 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 16:18 Wolf wrote:
Exposing things like this is bold, and needs to happen in order for ESPORTS to grow in a proper manner. Sorry Namhcir, you've been caught. Thought you were better than this. (look at Testie's stream where all he does is smash noobs in HoN all day and pretty much maintains 1k viewers)
Hey guy... bad example. Testie's team SK was given a loss for getting caught cheating (yes this is cheating). Of course everyone chimes in with the, "well... every team uses ringers!" Maybe they do, but they don't get caught. Link below if you care.
http://www.dotallyrad.com/2011/05/08/sk-caught-dirty-ringing-melonzz-to-blame-entirely/
On June 04 2011 05:11 DTank wrote:
Yes NamchiR did play for us, but once again, i'll leave it at the fact that this was a practice scrimmage, not part of any tournament, league, and had no prize pool involved.
So your defense is that the match diddn't matter. If it didn't matter then why were you using a ringer? I've always found the people who're worried about 'stats' rather than actually being good are the ones who often get caught bending the rules which is exactly what you're doing. It wasn't a sanctioned match so we will just bend it a little and lie to the other team even though we have nothing to gain. You sound very shady.
I'd also like to point out that the OP claims, "According to dTank, he "does it all the time" and "never loses". " so the other times were those just practice matches too or was he ringing in regular matches?
Ringing in a scrim when you're not short on players and when you're not disclosing it to the other team and when you're going through the trouble of having someone else pose as one of your players is beyond shady and yet you defend it.
You sir are not fit to run a lemonade stand.
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On June 04 2011 06:23 starcraft911 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 23:03 Risen wrote:On June 03 2011 16:18 Wolf wrote:
Exposing things like this is bold, and needs to happen in order for ESPORTS to grow in a proper manner. Sorry Namhcir, you've been caught. Thought you were better than this. (look at Testie's stream where all he does is smash noobs in HoN all day and pretty much maintains 1k viewers) Hey guy... bad example. Testie's team SK was given a loss for getting caught cheating (yes this is cheating). Of course everyone chimes in with the, "well... every team uses ringers!" Maybe they do, but they don't get caught. Link below if you care. http://www.dotallyrad.com/2011/05/08/sk-caught-dirty-ringing-melonzz-to-blame-entirely/
Someone made a blog about that and it got closed.
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