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+ Show Spoiler +On June 03 2011 15:03 Torte de Lini wrote:I wonder how those sponsors feel about the terminology "Rape time" Edit: I wonder how those sponsors feel when the players of the team they're sponsoring is unsure who their sponsor is. 1. Never heard of FCG 2. I doubt the integrity of StarCraft and the competitive scene is immensely obliterated due to this. 3. Shaming and displaying someone publicly achieves nothing. Next time, contact the authorities if this isn't just a "for-fun" scrim and let them handle it.4. All4OneGaming should be notified. 5. Good luck in your endeavors in the StarCraft II competitive scene. 6. Your stance is understandably bias. 7. Insert other key actions that should have been done instead of talking about this publicly. 8. " FCG apparently has a sponsorship with SteelSeries," You're on their team and you don't know their sponsors? See above for edit. 9. Show nested quote +Although I was pissed that I didn't get to play (it was 11:30, I had waited 1.5 hours and I was getting replaced by a double tagger), I was determined to expose FCG and NamchiR's unfair practices. Show nested quote +I'm doing this not only because I'm pissed off they guaranteed me play time and took back their word, but because cheating in Starcraft II damages the overall integrity of the game and community. Well, as long as it is with good intentions and not due to clouded judgement and personal anger towards a small organization. Wait a second... Still, awesome site, looks really well-done! http://www.clanfcg.com/P.S: just to clarify, I'm not trivializing this event with my enumerations, I just don't support the way he's approaching it
Wow... I don't really know what to say about this post. The OP should be handed a medal for boldness and reporting this cheating incident.
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On June 03 2011 15:34 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:32 Maelstrom.cobhc wrote:On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now. I don't think any respectable team would mind him exposing cheaters. Most teams don't want overly reactionary people on their team that they can't trust for legitimate and/or illegitimate things. The guy didn't get to play, so he goes all over the forums.
Except he went all over the forums exposing cheating... I'm getting this vibe that Torte wants to enthusiastically post "Snitches are bitches."
Discretion was/is an option for something like this, but it's better to get it out in the public. It's the end of no one's career most likely - so many of our beloved pro players in SC2 today are abusers/hackers from BW.
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On June 04 2011 00:15 leo23 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 03 2011 15:03 Torte de Lini wrote:I wonder how those sponsors feel about the terminology "Rape time" Edit: I wonder how those sponsors feel when the players of the team they're sponsoring is unsure who their sponsor is. 1. Never heard of FCG 2. I doubt the integrity of StarCraft and the competitive scene is immensely obliterated due to this. 3. Shaming and displaying someone publicly achieves nothing. Next time, contact the authorities if this isn't just a "for-fun" scrim and let them handle it.4. All4OneGaming should be notified. 5. Good luck in your endeavors in the StarCraft II competitive scene. 6. Your stance is understandably bias. 7. Insert other key actions that should have been done instead of talking about this publicly. 8. " FCG apparently has a sponsorship with SteelSeries," You're on their team and you don't know their sponsors? See above for edit. 9. Show nested quote +Although I was pissed that I didn't get to play (it was 11:30, I had waited 1.5 hours and I was getting replaced by a double tagger), I was determined to expose FCG and NamchiR's unfair practices. Show nested quote +I'm doing this not only because I'm pissed off they guaranteed me play time and took back their word, but because cheating in Starcraft II damages the overall integrity of the game and community. Well, as long as it is with good intentions and not due to clouded judgement and personal anger towards a small organization. Wait a second... Still, awesome site, looks really well-done! http://www.clanfcg.com/P.S: just to clarify, I'm not trivializing this event with my enumerations, I just don't support the way he's approaching it Wow... I don't really know what to say about this post. The OP should be handed a medal for boldness and reporting this cheating incident.
Say that I can count even late in the night.
I still think it would have been more professional to report it to the authorities (and if they take no action, then publicly display it).
Someone who creates an outburst like this is a bit... reactionary. Would have looked more noble of him if he didn't do this with a side-order of understandable anger.
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On June 04 2011 00:16 Mercadia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:34 Torte de Lini wrote:On June 03 2011 15:32 Maelstrom.cobhc wrote:On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now. I don't think any respectable team would mind him exposing cheaters. Most teams don't want overly reactionary people on their team that they can't trust for legitimate and/or illegitimate things. The guy didn't get to play, so he goes all over the forums. Except he went all over the forums exposing cheating... I'm getting this vibe that Torte wants to enthusiastically post "Snitches are bitches." Discretion was/is an option for something like this, but it's better to get it out in the public. It's the end of no one's career most likely - so many of our beloved pro players in SC2 today are abusers/hackers from BW.
No, I don't rhyme unless it's Dr. Dre's Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks, to which I'm soon follow with: "I actually respect women and "bitches" a lot".
Hey, it's his findings. I disagree, but I'm not going to paint red and tell him to go to Hell for acting this way, it's justified.
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On June 04 2011 00:16 Mercadia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:34 Torte de Lini wrote:On June 03 2011 15:32 Maelstrom.cobhc wrote:On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now. I don't think any respectable team would mind him exposing cheaters. Most teams don't want overly reactionary people on their team that they can't trust for legitimate and/or illegitimate things. The guy didn't get to play, so he goes all over the forums. Except he went all over the forums exposing cheating... I'm getting this vibe that Torte wants to enthusiastically post "Snitches are bitches." Discretion was/is an option for something like this, but it's better to get it out in the public. It's the end of no one's career most likely - so many of our beloved pro players in SC2 today are abusers/hackers from BW.
I think you give Torte way too much credit if you think he ever has a point to his ramblings
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On June 04 2011 00:21 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 00:16 Mercadia wrote:On June 03 2011 15:34 Torte de Lini wrote:On June 03 2011 15:32 Maelstrom.cobhc wrote:On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now. I don't think any respectable team would mind him exposing cheaters. Most teams don't want overly reactionary people on their team that they can't trust for legitimate and/or illegitimate things. The guy didn't get to play, so he goes all over the forums. Except he went all over the forums exposing cheating... I'm getting this vibe that Torte wants to enthusiastically post "Snitches are bitches." Discretion was/is an option for something like this, but it's better to get it out in the public. It's the end of no one's career most likely - so many of our beloved pro players in SC2 today are abusers/hackers from BW. I think you give Torte way too much credit if you think he ever has a point to his ramblings
Y'know, sometimes I do coherently blather about something.
Not my fault your literary skills aren't up to par to Dr. Seuss D:<
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On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now.
lol? What is wrong with you people. He was clearly in the right here.
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On June 04 2011 00:23 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 00:21 floor exercise wrote:On June 04 2011 00:16 Mercadia wrote:On June 03 2011 15:34 Torte de Lini wrote:On June 03 2011 15:32 Maelstrom.cobhc wrote:On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now. I don't think any respectable team would mind him exposing cheaters. Most teams don't want overly reactionary people on their team that they can't trust for legitimate and/or illegitimate things. The guy didn't get to play, so he goes all over the forums. Except he went all over the forums exposing cheating... I'm getting this vibe that Torte wants to enthusiastically post "Snitches are bitches." Discretion was/is an option for something like this, but it's better to get it out in the public. It's the end of no one's career most likely - so many of our beloved pro players in SC2 today are abusers/hackers from BW. I think you give Torte way too much credit if you think he ever has a point to his ramblings Y'know, sometimes I do coherently blather about something. Not my fault your literary skills aren't up to par to Dr. Seuss D:<
Torte, while I disagree with your opinions in this thread I must take this opportunity to back up the fact that you're cool.
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On June 03 2011 18:17 Gumbot wrote:Richman got the first Grand marshal title on Arthas,hes a beast in d2 and wc3 and now he is making people cry in sc2... winning! I don't condone the cheating, but man this guy sure is busy playing blizzard games 
:O I played on Arthas no way!!! What was his character name?
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Some men just want to watch the world burn.
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On June 04 2011 03:01 DivinO wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 00:23 Torte de Lini wrote:On June 04 2011 00:21 floor exercise wrote:On June 04 2011 00:16 Mercadia wrote:On June 03 2011 15:34 Torte de Lini wrote:On June 03 2011 15:32 Maelstrom.cobhc wrote:On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now. I don't think any respectable team would mind him exposing cheaters. Most teams don't want overly reactionary people on their team that they can't trust for legitimate and/or illegitimate things. The guy didn't get to play, so he goes all over the forums. Except he went all over the forums exposing cheating... I'm getting this vibe that Torte wants to enthusiastically post "Snitches are bitches." Discretion was/is an option for something like this, but it's better to get it out in the public. It's the end of no one's career most likely - so many of our beloved pro players in SC2 today are abusers/hackers from BW. I think you give Torte way too much credit if you think he ever has a point to his ramblings Y'know, sometimes I do coherently blather about something. Not my fault your literary skills aren't up to par to Dr. Seuss D:< Torte, while I disagree with your opinions in this thread I must take this opportunity to back up the fact that you're cool.
Aw, thanks.
and ah well, a few disagree and agree with me: a split, no different than my bowling~
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In the beginning of a thread, stupid people often just don't know which bandwagon to hop on, so they resort something that's usually safe on the internet: ridicule the OP for caring.
So yeah, good job OP. I hope you will be able to join a decent clan very soon. Screw cheaters, you did the right thing.
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On June 04 2011 03:27 -Frog- wrote:
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
I couldn't agree more.
Good job OP. You took a bullet for a better community, therefore I salute you.
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So... why does this matter?
If its just some pub clan / cw, big deal.
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teamliquid,
only place where the posters get angry at someone exposing a cheater, instead of getting angry at the cheater.
el oh el
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gj autumn, i commend you for your braveness and courage. putting your own ass on the line to exploit a cheater and double tagger. i dont care if he was playing in just a scrimmage or a multi-thousand dollar league, double tagging should be looked down upon.
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Hey,
One of my guys just informed me of this post. I'll start out saying that looking @ hotkeys, apm, whatnot does not say that that is namchir playing.
1. NamchiR did not play for us in that scrimmage.
2. Autumn is just a disgruntled former member who did not have the opportunity to play, because of the fact that he was picked up by our team on the day that the scrimmage was happening. We simply did not want to risk putting him in on the first day.
3. This scrimmage was for fun and not part of any league.
As for the comment regarding looking @ the hotkeys:
I think I speak for many people when I say that, often, players mimic pro players' hotkey settings. It is all about preference. Given the fact that you can only hotkey 1-0, there are not many variations, considering the amount of buildings that are available.
NamchiR in no way was ghosting for us.
DTank,
Manager
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As for the "cheating" part, if somehow namchir did ghost for us, it would not be cheating since it was a scrimmage for PRACTICE/FUN. not part of a league.
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Sorry for the triple post: To finalize it all, NamchiR did not ghost for us. Autumn is simply mad that we didn't let him participate on the very first day he was recruited, and in no way did i guarantee him a spot. I told him that it depends if our entire lineup shows up or not.
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On June 03 2011 16:18 Wolf wrote:
Exposing things like this is bold, and needs to happen in order for ESPORTS to grow in a proper manner. Sorry Namhcir, you've been caught. Thought you were better than this.
What's with the self-important condemnation / judgement? I thought you were better than that. How does it feel?
Ideally, this community would be considerate enough to stop and question whether they lead perfect lives themselves, and then stfu over someone helping out a friend in a low-tier clan war. You may have been taking that event really seriously but knowing rich personally, and his skill level - I wouldn't be surprised if he was eating a sandwich and laughing on vent or something, talking about something irrelevant to SC2. If I were him, I may very well feel that that level of play is a joke. The guy is good.
Everybody here sees "caught" and then acts like this is MLG instead of a no-name clan war where people may not be spurred to incorporate and act on the highest ethical considerations possible. There are bronze clan wars. And so what if this one wasn't? I'm just illustrating that something being a "clan war" isn't an automatic BFD that should make everybody stop and have a gandhi moment.
So, really. If you make mistakes, or sometimes do things without having considered every possible thing and other party involved - (and you do) - then I'd suggest you stfu rather than continuing to embarass yourselves with your desperation to throw out impersonalized judgement and condemnation from your likewise impersonal thrones across the great wide internet. It's hypocritical to boot.
Disregarding the image-projecting moral soldiers of esports forums that would respond stubbornly to this; How would you be acting or thinking about this person if you actually knew him, or were even his friend? Maybe a little different. And maybe for better reasons than a mere bias of loyalty. Maybe a little different because you actually knew anything about the people you were talking about
Food for thought. Myself and many of my SC2 friends have known Rich since beta and we can all personally tell you that he's a really great guy. <3 you Rich!
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