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On June 03 2011 15:11 TheGiftedApe wrote:
...he should have actually told the people involved in the situation about the issue instead of just posting here hoping it gets to the proper authorities. Problem is he might have gone through all this and the tournament organizers might never find out.
TL is bigger than you realize. I'm sure the proper people were notified because the grapevine travels fast. If you don't believe me then look back to RevSecret getting caught maphacking and removed from his team the next day.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=213149
Did Fayth go to their team and send them a PM? I'm guessing no, but who knows. All that matters is the next day he was off their roster which shows Revoki to be a respectable team.
http://www.revoki.com/
Oddly enough in the RevSecret thing the first page is nothing but people BMing Revoki rather than RevSecret when it was clearly misguided as they promptly removed him. I'm not sure what the deal is with people defending the side who's clearly in the wrong, but it's blowing my mind.
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If someone cheats, wouldn't you want everyone to know about it?
If your team's being shady and treats you unfairly, would you still want to be part of that team?
There is absolutely nothing wrong with what the OP did, I mean the actual post could have been a bit better but I'm astounded that people are actually telling him off. Good job OP.
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On June 03 2011 15:34 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:32 Maelstrom.cobhc wrote:On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now. I don't think any respectable team would mind him exposing cheaters. Most teams don't want overly reactionary people on their team that they can't trust for legitimate and/or illegitimate things. The guy didn't get to play, so he goes all over the forums.
Most players don't want to a join a team known for smurfing if you want to play in tournaments. It works both ways. So it's not really a big loss for him for leaving. If he's really good then I don't think any respectable team will give a crap about this OP and take him in.
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Richman got the first Grand marshal title on Arthas,hes a beast in d2 and wc3 and now he is making people cry in sc2... winning! I don't condone the cheating, but man this guy sure is busy playing blizzard games 
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Kinda shocked at all the posts bashing the OP and not seeing this as a problem. Thank you for making the thread Energie and well done letting people know.
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i don't get why anyone could even think about trashing the OP here. you've done the right thing man, and it's sad to see namhcir do shit like this.
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mhh...
I played this richman guy couple months ago in a tournament and i was pissed and raging after i lost 1-2 -.-
seems like he's pretty good though, makes my loss less embarrassing.
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yea seriously lol being angry at the OP?? what the hell? OP did the right thing. there are lots of teams that do not cheat and that would be willing to accept him as a player. and obviously, this one isn't interested in being in a team that does cheat. It's pretty sad actually how seemingly, the feeling of "loyalty" has more weight to some of you than the feeling of "doing the right thing".
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Honestly this puts a large dent in any teams reputation, but I love how people here are saying things like "u done namchir" like it really effects him at all. I'm sure many players, if asked to play, would; just for the hell of it. It speaks much more to the organization than to the player. It's a dirty thing for the team to do, if this is for something that is not even for money, just think what lengths the team will go too when there is a fat cheque on the line. I dont think this will even effect richman much if any at all. He's just the guy who wanted to play the games. So in this respect I feel your anger is a little misguided, the title suggests you dissaprove of richmanm but he's just the pawn playing the games. IMO the op should be more about the teams actions, not the hard worker. As the team, it's a dirty disgusting thing to do when people are trying to hard to bring e-sports to the dining room table. OP did the right thing. What a trashy team, this aint bw.
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SeleCT actually pulled this couple months ago on a small Korean American community tournament. First place prize was the Razer Maruader Keyboard and the Spectre Mouse. His friend got to round of 32 and suddenly the player went from 70 apm terran who uses no hotkeys to 260 apm terran machine who had exact same key prints as SeleCT. He was banned immediately from the tournament but I was surprised how a progamer would cheat on such a small tournament and annoyed by how he didn't think this was cheating and just shrugged off the incident.
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You did the right thing, guy. Kudos.
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i don't think richman is "done", but this hurts his reputation as well as that of FCG (most importantly, as it makes their accomplishments to date very suspect and illegitimate) and to a much lesser extent, ONE (who might force an apology from namchir and admit that one of their players has been caught cheating in a competition, but this isn't really necessary)
most likely we'll just see a "yeah that wont happen again, lolololoololol" followed by "here's some punishment as a gesture of brief disappointment and shame", richman will go under the radar for a bit and we'll shortly forget about this thereafter.
still, what a freaking shame. and yeah, the OP's post feels tinged with hastily expressed and not well thought out anger, but public exposure is the best way to make sure a well known player who plays for a respected team is held accountable. i think he would have gotten a very insignificant slap on the wrist if the OP had tried to take this through the "proper" channels
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Thanks for exposing such behavior.
It absolutely blows my mind that people have actually given you shit in this thread for exposing misconduct within the SC2 scene.
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You did the right thing, Energie. Regardless what anyone says.
gj <3
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He is right,
There used to be a lot of cheating like this even in Brood War. So many examples from WGTour alone, meh.
I think you should have contacted the manager for ONEGaming first though.
Anyway, it's highly frowned upon. This is why websites like WGTour had all those features to report players. The consequences would be strict and change the complexion of the divisions. Any wins the player had would be reversed and they would get banned for a set period. If they were repeat offenders they would be banned permanently from competition.
There have been many scenarios like this. Many players never change though.
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The title should be changed to focus more on the team, rather than Richman. He doesn't have anything to gain from helping FCG, and probably didn't think it was a big deal. I would hate to see a player as good as he is have his reputation ruined over something like this.
I am not at all defending FCG. Cheating like this delegitimizes their team, and rightly so. I am glad they were exposed.
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On June 03 2011 22:38 Kamedience wrote:
The title should be changed to focus more on the team, rather than Richman. He doesn't have anything to gain from helping FCG, and probably didn't think it was a big deal. I would hate to see a player as good as he is have his reputation ruined over something like this.
I am not at all defending FCG. Cheating like this delegitimizes their team, and rightly so. I am glad they were exposed.
It's on richman as much as it is the team. He is obviously way more known than FCG and could have easily just said no to avoid this.
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I don't see why the title should be changed.
I agree in FCG having the benefit, but still it is Namhcir as a player who does the deed. It is not like he has to do it or anything and he should be perfectly aware, that what he is doing is not right.
Nice catch by the OP, hope this gets resolved quickly.
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