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On June 03 2011 15:03 Torte de Lini wrote:I wonder how those sponsors feel about the terminology "Rape time" Edit: I wonder how those sponsors feel when the players of the team they're sponsoring is unsure who their sponsor is. 1. Never heard of FCG 2. I doubt the integrity of StarCraft and the competitive scene is immensely obliterated due to this. 3. Shaming and displaying someone publicly achieves nothing. Next time, contact the authorities if this isn't just a "for-fun" scrim and let them handle it.4. All4OneGaming should be notified. 5. Good luck in your endeavors in the StarCraft II competitive scene. 6. Your stance is understandably bias. 7. Insert other key actions that should have been done instead of talking about this publicly. 8. " FCG apparently has a sponsorship with SteelSeries," You're on their team and you don't know their sponsors? See above for edit. 9. Show nested quote +Although I was pissed that I didn't get to play (it was 11:30, I had waited 1.5 hours and I was getting replaced by a double tagger), I was determined to expose FCG and NamchiR's unfair practices. Show nested quote +I'm doing this not only because I'm pissed off they guaranteed me play time and took back their word, but because cheating in Starcraft II damages the overall integrity of the game and community. Well, as long as it is with good intentions and not due to clouded judgement and personal anger towards a small organization. Wait a second... Still, awesome site, looks really well-done! http://www.clanfcg.com/P.S: just to clarify, I'm not trivializing this event with my enumerations, I just don't support the way he's approaching it
Just because you put "I'm not trivializing this event" at the bottom of your post does not mean you aren't trivializing this event, you know. I don't see why else you said that you've never heard of his team, or "I doubt the integrity of StarCraft and the competitive scene is immensely obliterated due to this." "Immensely obliterated", really?
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On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now.
Don't think anyone would put this into account when they choose whether to recruit him or not.
Even if it did, why do you care? It's not like he's worried.
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Exposing things like this is bold, and needs to happen in order for ESPORTS to grow in a proper manner. Sorry Namhcir, you've been caught. Thought you were better than this.
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On June 03 2011 16:18 Wolf wrote:
Exposing things like this is bold, and needs to happen in order for ESPORTS to grow in a proper manner. Sorry Namhcir, you've been caught. Thought you were better than this.
Wolf laying down the law.
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busted. well hey at least he won something right.
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still handling it like this is not the way. you;ll be the guy who snitch out his team and teamates publicly. do it privately.
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On June 03 2011 15:50 legato89 wrote:
Dude, there's even the possibility NamhciR didn't even know about this being a real tournament if it was, and or/ if it happend, this is really shady tbh
This should be investigated more, and i agree with other posters about this being brought up in a very bad manner.
You should have contacted the team manager, brought up the issues and your concerns before it ever happend if you were really concerned about this too.
Well he logged on to an account for the team and he apparently does it all the time, he obviously knew it was a clan war.
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On June 03 2011 16:42 Looky wrote:
still handling it like this is not the way. you;ll be the guy who snitch out his team and teamates publicly. do it privately.
How do you privately snitch someone? I think this entire thread/post is fine. Just contacting the league manager would not have put Namchir under the heat like this. It's important events of cheating are exposed and recognized, no matter how it is done. Many more people will know about it this way than they would have from a league manager.
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On June 03 2011 16:18 Wolf wrote:
Exposing things like this is bold, and needs to happen in order for ESPORTS to grow in a proper manner. Sorry Namhcir, you've been caught. Thought you were better than this.
haha wolf your awesome, your solo cast last night was hilarious, keep it up bud! :D
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Well this whole things a shame, I always liked to see it when Richman's stream was on, seemed like a cool guy. The op was in a tough spot since it was his own team leader/coach that was bringing Richman in, I don't see many other ways for him to get this out there without someone more credible than him saying "no that's nonsense we never do things like that". Sad stuff regardless.
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On June 03 2011 16:42 Looky wrote:
you;ll be the guy who snitch out his team and teamates publicly.
not to me and others. he'll be the guy with big enough balls to tell everyone that a person, regardless of who that person is, is doing something wrong.
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Sweden33719 Posts
How about focusing some of all this anger the people who actually, you know, CHEATED rather than on the OP?
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It doesn't matter whether the OP ratted on his team. The important thing is shedding light on the cheating that is going on. Cheating only hinders the legitimacy of this sport.
Namchir, you've always had a bad reputation from the past but didn't know you're on this level. Pathetic.
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On June 03 2011 15:11 TheGiftedApe wrote:
is this an actual sanctioned blizzard tournament or just a for-fun clan scrimmage? Also man, this makes you look really bad to other clans wanting to pick up players, you join a clan and within a few hours are trashing them on tl.net.
You're making yourself look pretty bad with your schoolyard mentality pouring out. Having a moral backbone is a pretty good quality to have. This guy exposed his team for cheating and in doing so has put himself in a situation where he's likely no longer got a team. This isn't some shit head who's team hopping for fun. This is a guy who felt like what his team was doing was against the rules and did what scumbags like you couldn't do because you lack the conception of right and wrong.
Assuming this player is good enough to win games I'd think a team would be stupid (assuming they don't cheat themselves) to ignore someone like this guy simply because he did what he thought was right.
You shouldn't trash your team but you should maintain integrity and it's obvious that what they did was wrong and their team should be notified and penalized.
The guy didn't trash his team. The teams management and the players who were involved in it including richman trashed it. Some of you guys have the most absurd skewed sense of misguided loyalty.
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If the rest of the teams don't have anything to hide, he put himself in no bad position. Now if all teams have shady businesses, count me out.
Good job on exposing this, even though I'm tempted to ask this question (reply to yourself with no lie - it's just about the reasons, were they noble or not?):
- Had you played and someone else didn't, would you have snitched NahmciR?
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On June 03 2011 17:26 starcraft911 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:11 TheGiftedApe wrote:
is this an actual sanctioned blizzard tournament or just a for-fun clan scrimmage? Also man, this makes you look really bad to other clans wanting to pick up players, you join a clan and within a few hours are trashing them on tl.net. You're making yourself look pretty bad with your schoolyard mentality pouring out. Having a moral backbone is a pretty good quality to have. This guy exposed his team for cheating and in doing so has put himself in a situation where he's likely no longer got a team. This isn't some shit head who's team hopping for fun. This is a guy who felt like what his team was doing was against the rules and did what scumbags like you couldn't do because you lack the conception of right and wrong. Assuming this player is good enough to win games I'd think a team would be stupid (assuming they don't cheat themselves) to ignore someone like this guy simply because he did what he thought was right. Show nested quote +You shouldn't trash your team but you should maintain integrity and it's obvious that what they did was wrong and their team should be notified and penalized. The guy didn't trash his team. The teams management and the players who were involved in it including richman trashed it. Some of you guys have the most absurd skewed sense of misguided loyalty.
I couldnt have said it better myself. It took some guts from the OP to come forward with this information, knowing he risked losing his spot on the team.
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Can't believe some of you people are getting more mad at the OP, lol. Get some perspective, clowns.
Thanks for exposing these frauds.
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On June 03 2011 17:32 Rayzorblade wrote:
Can't believe some of you people are getting more mad at the OP, lol. Get some perspective, clowns.
Thanks for exposing these frauds.
yea, i was like "wtf is wrong with these westerners getting mad at OP?" if it was in asia this will less likely happens
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On June 03 2011 17:26 starcraft911 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:11 TheGiftedApe wrote:
is this an actual sanctioned blizzard tournament or just a for-fun clan scrimmage? Also man, this makes you look really bad to other clans wanting to pick up players, you join a clan and within a few hours are trashing them on tl.net. You're making yourself look pretty bad with your schoolyard mentality pouring out. Having a moral backbone is a pretty good quality to have. This guy exposed his team for cheating and in doing so has put himself in a situation where he's likely no longer got a team. This isn't some shit head who's team hopping for fun. This is a guy who felt like what his team was doing was against the rules and did what scumbags like you couldn't do because you lack the conception of right and wrong. Assuming this player is good enough to win games I'd think a team would be stupid (assuming they don't cheat themselves) to ignore someone like this guy simply because he did what he thought was right. Show nested quote +You shouldn't trash your team but you should maintain integrity and it's obvious that what they did was wrong and their team should be notified and penalized. The guy didn't trash his team. The teams management and the players who were involved in it including richman trashed it. Some of you guys have the most absurd skewed sense of misguided loyalty.
first of all the OP looked a little differently with spotty details when he first posted it. I never said he should cover for his team, simply stating that actually informing the people hosting the tournament, and the opposing team first would be the best course of action, instead of just coming right out and posting on TL.net. Especially since the real "scumbag" in this scenario is the clan leader who is inviting ringers and 1 day members to his clan wars. However NamchiR obviously should know something is up when he is being asked to join a game under a different account name, and i doubt he is innocent. I'd still like to find out what tournament this was for and who the opponents were to find out if they were actually informed they got cheated. I don't think anyone would say what OP did was wrong, just that he should have actually told the people involved in the situation about the issue instead of just posting here hoping it gets to the proper authorities. Problem is he might have gone through all this and the tournament organizers might never find out.
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I wonder what ONE is gonna do about it, I think that's namhciR's other team right?
Takes courage to expose a team and player that does this, I remember seeing it a lot in Wc3, but thank you 
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