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I'm making this post with the intention of proving that Richman "ONENamhciR" Chembars has double tagged in a clan war for team Full Contact Gaming (FCG).
I joined FCG and was 'guaranteed' a spot to play in their clan war at 10PM. Once we started losing though, the manager FCGdTank told me to get on Ventrilo with him. He told me that we "couldn't lose to these randoms" and that he would call his friend to get on an FCG account for him. According to dTank, he "does it all the time" and "never loses".
After further questioning, I got the name of his 'friend' - NamhciR - top 10 Grand Master's and a pretty well known player. Although I was pissed that I didn't get to play (it was 11:30, I had waited 1.5 hours and I was getting replaced by a double tagger), I was determined to expose FCG and NamhciR's unfair practices.
Here is a screenshot of FCG manager dTank reassuring me NamhciR would 'rape' his opponent in the clan war.
http://tinypic.com/r/33nfcj5/7
Here is the replay of NamchiR played under the name FCGSokar.
![[image loading]](http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/repimgs/repimg-33-212615.jpg)
Notice the hotkeys, APM, and strategy.
-Starting 2 SCVs hotkeyed at "1" and "2"
-Command Center hotkeyed at "4"
-Barracks hotkeyed at "9"
Now here is a replay of NamhciR vs EGMachine (sorry, different patch)
-Same strategy
-Same Hotkeys - SCVs on "1&2", CC on "4", Barracks on "9"
http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/replays/42463
I'm doing this not only because I'm pissed off they guaranteed me play time and took back their word, but because cheating in Starcraft II damages the overall integrity of the game and community.
FCG apparently has a sponsorship with SteelSeries, and NamhciR is a well known player. Although I don't have any Ventrilo recordings (forgot to record), I think the evidence speaks for itself.
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I wonder how those sponsors feel about the terminology "Rape time"
Edit: I wonder how those sponsors feel when the players of the team they're sponsoring is unsure who their sponsor is.
1. Never heard of FCG
2. I doubt the integrity of StarCraft and the competitive scene is immensely obliterated due to this.
3. Shaming and displaying someone publicly achieves nothing. Next time, contact the authorities if this isn't just a "for-fun" scrim and let them handle it.
4. All4OneGaming should be notified.
5. Good luck in your endeavors in the StarCraft II competitive scene.
6. Your stance is understandably bias.
7. Insert other key actions that should have been done instead of talking about this publicly.
8. "FCG apparently has a sponsorship with SteelSeries," You're on their team and you don't know their sponsors? See above for edit.
9. Although I was pissed that I didn't get to play (it was 11:30, I had waited 1.5 hours and I was getting replaced by a double tagger), I was determined to expose FCG and NamchiR's unfair practices.
I'm doing this not only because I'm pissed off they guaranteed me play time and took back their word, but because cheating in Starcraft II damages the overall integrity of the game and community.
Well, as long as it is with good intentions and not due to clouded judgement and personal anger towards a small organization.
Wait a second...
Still, awesome site, looks really well-done! http://www.clanfcg.com/
P.S: just to clarify, I'm not trivializing this event with my enumerations, I just don't support the way he's approaching it
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is this an actual sanctioned blizzard tournament or just a for-fun clan scrimmage? Also man, this makes you look really bad to other clans wanting to pick up players, you join a clan and within a few hours are trashing them on tl.net.
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i dont even know what to think when reading this lol
on one hand I want to laugh, on the other hand cheating is cheating.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I think it's a bit of a hard situation. You shouldn't trash your team but you should maintain integrity and it's obvious that what they did was wrong and their team should be notified and penalized. I don't think there is really anyway for FCG/namchir to defend themselves but I don't think the situation itself is very huge.
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gu9pR.png)
Nice find, I'd look at a few more reps to make sure but I think you're right.
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Although this kind of cheating is quite a harsh offense, you handled this situation very poorly. Next time wait until your anger has faded before making rash decisions.
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Regardless of whether or not I'm pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action.
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well, in CSL this happen multiple times and the most recently is mcmaster with 1 of the complexity member. He was banned from CSL for life as well as his team was disqualified from the playoff. :-/
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Cheating is cheating. Judge Judy anyone? :D
In all seriousness, this is quite a bummer and a bit lame.
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On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action.
At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now.
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On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now.
I don't think any respectable team would mind him exposing cheaters.
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i dunno whats wrong with exposing the cheating even if its his team ? should he just left and let it be ? is that really the right thing to do ?
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On June 03 2011 15:32 Maelstrom.cobhc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now. I don't think any respectable team would mind him exposing cheaters.
Most teams don't want overly reactionary people on their team that they can't trust for legitimate and/or illegitimate things.
The guy didn't get to play, so he goes all over the forums.
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Maybe you went about it the wrong way, maybe you didn't. It may have been better to just inform the guys in charge of the tournament rather then publicly humiliate NamchiR. But then again I hate cheaters, hopefully punishment is swift and unforgiving!
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At the same time, shouldnt knowledge of things like this be made public? Although there may have been a better way to go about it, I don't see why the post is unjustified.
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The thing is, you are informing the wrong people. If you really believed this was a break in the violations first figure out what tournament your actually playing in(if this is just a for fun clan scrimmage with no prizes.......just tell your leader you don't want to be a part of a team like this and leave).
Then tell the host's of the tournament what happened, tell the leader/captain of the other team your sorry for your teams actions and what took place. Provide proof to the organization running the tournament. The way your going about this just looks like a scorned lover who caught their significant other with another lover and is lashing out. You don't even know what tournament this happened in, you don't even have the teams they were playing against. So more than likely the people who actually need to know what happened aren't being informed, and have no clue what took place, as they probably don't read every-single post on tl.net.
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Dude, there's even the possibility NamhciR didn't even know about this being a real tournament if it was, and or/ if it happend, this is really shady tbh
This should be investigated more, and i agree with other posters about this being brought up in a very bad manner.
You should have contacted the team manager, brought up the issues and your concerns before it ever happend if you were really concerned about this too.
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how did this effect his sc2 career. He could simply use his name change (if he hasn't already) and wahla, new person
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On June 03 2011 15:03 Torte de Lini wrote:I wonder how those sponsors feel about the terminology "Rape time" Edit: I wonder how those sponsors feel when the players of the team they're sponsoring is unsure who their sponsor is. 1. Never heard of FCG 2. I doubt the integrity of StarCraft and the competitive scene is immensely obliterated due to this. 3. Shaming and displaying someone publicly achieves nothing. Next time, contact the authorities if this isn't just a "for-fun" scrim and let them handle it.4. All4OneGaming should be notified. 5. Good luck in your endeavors in the StarCraft II competitive scene. 6. Your stance is understandably bias. 7. Insert other key actions that should have been done instead of talking about this publicly. 8. " FCG apparently has a sponsorship with SteelSeries," You're on their team and you don't know their sponsors? See above for edit. 9. Show nested quote +Although I was pissed that I didn't get to play (it was 11:30, I had waited 1.5 hours and I was getting replaced by a double tagger), I was determined to expose FCG and NamchiR's unfair practices. Show nested quote +I'm doing this not only because I'm pissed off they guaranteed me play time and took back their word, but because cheating in Starcraft II damages the overall integrity of the game and community. Well, as long as it is with good intentions and not due to clouded judgement and personal anger towards a small organization. Wait a second... Still, awesome site, looks really well-done! http://www.clanfcg.com/P.S: just to clarify, I'm not trivializing this event with my enumerations, I just don't support the way he's approaching it
Just because you put "I'm not trivializing this event" at the bottom of your post does not mean you aren't trivializing this event, you know. I don't see why else you said that you've never heard of his team, or "I doubt the integrity of StarCraft and the competitive scene is immensely obliterated due to this." "Immensely obliterated", really?
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On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now.
Don't think anyone would put this into account when they choose whether to recruit him or not.
Even if it did, why do you care? It's not like he's worried.
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Exposing things like this is bold, and needs to happen in order for ESPORTS to grow in a proper manner. Sorry Namhcir, you've been caught. Thought you were better than this.
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On June 03 2011 16:18 Wolf wrote:
Exposing things like this is bold, and needs to happen in order for ESPORTS to grow in a proper manner. Sorry Namhcir, you've been caught. Thought you were better than this.
Wolf laying down the law.
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busted. well hey at least he won something right.
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still handling it like this is not the way. you;ll be the guy who snitch out his team and teamates publicly. do it privately.
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On June 03 2011 15:50 legato89 wrote:
Dude, there's even the possibility NamhciR didn't even know about this being a real tournament if it was, and or/ if it happend, this is really shady tbh
This should be investigated more, and i agree with other posters about this being brought up in a very bad manner.
You should have contacted the team manager, brought up the issues and your concerns before it ever happend if you were really concerned about this too.
Well he logged on to an account for the team and he apparently does it all the time, he obviously knew it was a clan war.
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On June 03 2011 16:42 Looky wrote:
still handling it like this is not the way. you;ll be the guy who snitch out his team and teamates publicly. do it privately.
How do you privately snitch someone? I think this entire thread/post is fine. Just contacting the league manager would not have put Namchir under the heat like this. It's important events of cheating are exposed and recognized, no matter how it is done. Many more people will know about it this way than they would have from a league manager.
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On June 03 2011 16:18 Wolf wrote:
Exposing things like this is bold, and needs to happen in order for ESPORTS to grow in a proper manner. Sorry Namhcir, you've been caught. Thought you were better than this.
haha wolf your awesome, your solo cast last night was hilarious, keep it up bud! :D
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Well this whole things a shame, I always liked to see it when Richman's stream was on, seemed like a cool guy. The op was in a tough spot since it was his own team leader/coach that was bringing Richman in, I don't see many other ways for him to get this out there without someone more credible than him saying "no that's nonsense we never do things like that". Sad stuff regardless.
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On June 03 2011 16:42 Looky wrote:
you;ll be the guy who snitch out his team and teamates publicly.
not to me and others. he'll be the guy with big enough balls to tell everyone that a person, regardless of who that person is, is doing something wrong.
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Sweden33719 Posts
How about focusing some of all this anger the people who actually, you know, CHEATED rather than on the OP?
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It doesn't matter whether the OP ratted on his team. The important thing is shedding light on the cheating that is going on. Cheating only hinders the legitimacy of this sport.
Namchir, you've always had a bad reputation from the past but didn't know you're on this level. Pathetic.
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On June 03 2011 15:11 TheGiftedApe wrote:
is this an actual sanctioned blizzard tournament or just a for-fun clan scrimmage? Also man, this makes you look really bad to other clans wanting to pick up players, you join a clan and within a few hours are trashing them on tl.net.
You're making yourself look pretty bad with your schoolyard mentality pouring out. Having a moral backbone is a pretty good quality to have. This guy exposed his team for cheating and in doing so has put himself in a situation where he's likely no longer got a team. This isn't some shit head who's team hopping for fun. This is a guy who felt like what his team was doing was against the rules and did what scumbags like you couldn't do because you lack the conception of right and wrong.
Assuming this player is good enough to win games I'd think a team would be stupid (assuming they don't cheat themselves) to ignore someone like this guy simply because he did what he thought was right.
You shouldn't trash your team but you should maintain integrity and it's obvious that what they did was wrong and their team should be notified and penalized.
The guy didn't trash his team. The teams management and the players who were involved in it including richman trashed it. Some of you guys have the most absurd skewed sense of misguided loyalty.
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If the rest of the teams don't have anything to hide, he put himself in no bad position. Now if all teams have shady businesses, count me out.
Good job on exposing this, even though I'm tempted to ask this question (reply to yourself with no lie - it's just about the reasons, were they noble or not?):
- Had you played and someone else didn't, would you have snitched NahmciR?
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On June 03 2011 17:26 starcraft911 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:11 TheGiftedApe wrote:
is this an actual sanctioned blizzard tournament or just a for-fun clan scrimmage? Also man, this makes you look really bad to other clans wanting to pick up players, you join a clan and within a few hours are trashing them on tl.net. You're making yourself look pretty bad with your schoolyard mentality pouring out. Having a moral backbone is a pretty good quality to have. This guy exposed his team for cheating and in doing so has put himself in a situation where he's likely no longer got a team. This isn't some shit head who's team hopping for fun. This is a guy who felt like what his team was doing was against the rules and did what scumbags like you couldn't do because you lack the conception of right and wrong. Assuming this player is good enough to win games I'd think a team would be stupid (assuming they don't cheat themselves) to ignore someone like this guy simply because he did what he thought was right. Show nested quote +You shouldn't trash your team but you should maintain integrity and it's obvious that what they did was wrong and their team should be notified and penalized. The guy didn't trash his team. The teams management and the players who were involved in it including richman trashed it. Some of you guys have the most absurd skewed sense of misguided loyalty.
I couldnt have said it better myself. It took some guts from the OP to come forward with this information, knowing he risked losing his spot on the team.
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Can't believe some of you people are getting more mad at the OP, lol. Get some perspective, clowns.
Thanks for exposing these frauds.
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On June 03 2011 17:32 Rayzorblade wrote:
Can't believe some of you people are getting more mad at the OP, lol. Get some perspective, clowns.
Thanks for exposing these frauds.
yea, i was like "wtf is wrong with these westerners getting mad at OP?" if it was in asia this will less likely happens
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On June 03 2011 17:26 starcraft911 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:11 TheGiftedApe wrote:
is this an actual sanctioned blizzard tournament or just a for-fun clan scrimmage? Also man, this makes you look really bad to other clans wanting to pick up players, you join a clan and within a few hours are trashing them on tl.net. You're making yourself look pretty bad with your schoolyard mentality pouring out. Having a moral backbone is a pretty good quality to have. This guy exposed his team for cheating and in doing so has put himself in a situation where he's likely no longer got a team. This isn't some shit head who's team hopping for fun. This is a guy who felt like what his team was doing was against the rules and did what scumbags like you couldn't do because you lack the conception of right and wrong. Assuming this player is good enough to win games I'd think a team would be stupid (assuming they don't cheat themselves) to ignore someone like this guy simply because he did what he thought was right. Show nested quote +You shouldn't trash your team but you should maintain integrity and it's obvious that what they did was wrong and their team should be notified and penalized. The guy didn't trash his team. The teams management and the players who were involved in it including richman trashed it. Some of you guys have the most absurd skewed sense of misguided loyalty.
first of all the OP looked a little differently with spotty details when he first posted it. I never said he should cover for his team, simply stating that actually informing the people hosting the tournament, and the opposing team first would be the best course of action, instead of just coming right out and posting on TL.net. Especially since the real "scumbag" in this scenario is the clan leader who is inviting ringers and 1 day members to his clan wars. However NamchiR obviously should know something is up when he is being asked to join a game under a different account name, and i doubt he is innocent. I'd still like to find out what tournament this was for and who the opponents were to find out if they were actually informed they got cheated. I don't think anyone would say what OP did was wrong, just that he should have actually told the people involved in the situation about the issue instead of just posting here hoping it gets to the proper authorities. Problem is he might have gone through all this and the tournament organizers might never find out.
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I wonder what ONE is gonna do about it, I think that's namhciR's other team right?
Takes courage to expose a team and player that does this, I remember seeing it a lot in Wc3, but thank you 
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On June 03 2011 15:11 TheGiftedApe wrote:
...he should have actually told the people involved in the situation about the issue instead of just posting here hoping it gets to the proper authorities. Problem is he might have gone through all this and the tournament organizers might never find out.
TL is bigger than you realize. I'm sure the proper people were notified because the grapevine travels fast. If you don't believe me then look back to RevSecret getting caught maphacking and removed from his team the next day.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=213149
Did Fayth go to their team and send them a PM? I'm guessing no, but who knows. All that matters is the next day he was off their roster which shows Revoki to be a respectable team.
http://www.revoki.com/
Oddly enough in the RevSecret thing the first page is nothing but people BMing Revoki rather than RevSecret when it was clearly misguided as they promptly removed him. I'm not sure what the deal is with people defending the side who's clearly in the wrong, but it's blowing my mind.
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If someone cheats, wouldn't you want everyone to know about it?
If your team's being shady and treats you unfairly, would you still want to be part of that team?
There is absolutely nothing wrong with what the OP did, I mean the actual post could have been a bit better but I'm astounded that people are actually telling him off. Good job OP.
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On June 03 2011 15:34 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:32 Maelstrom.cobhc wrote:On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now. I don't think any respectable team would mind him exposing cheaters. Most teams don't want overly reactionary people on their team that they can't trust for legitimate and/or illegitimate things. The guy didn't get to play, so he goes all over the forums.
Most players don't want to a join a team known for smurfing if you want to play in tournaments. It works both ways. So it's not really a big loss for him for leaving. If he's really good then I don't think any respectable team will give a crap about this OP and take him in.
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Richman got the first Grand marshal title on Arthas,hes a beast in d2 and wc3 and now he is making people cry in sc2... winning! I don't condone the cheating, but man this guy sure is busy playing blizzard games
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Kinda shocked at all the posts bashing the OP and not seeing this as a problem. Thank you for making the thread Energie and well done letting people know.
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i don't get why anyone could even think about trashing the OP here. you've done the right thing man, and it's sad to see namhcir do shit like this.
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mhh...
I played this richman guy couple months ago in a tournament and i was pissed and raging after i lost 1-2 -.-
seems like he's pretty good though, makes my loss less embarrassing.
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Norway28669 Posts
yea seriously lol being angry at the OP?? what the hell? OP did the right thing. there are lots of teams that do not cheat and that would be willing to accept him as a player. and obviously, this one isn't interested in being in a team that does cheat. It's pretty sad actually how seemingly, the feeling of "loyalty" has more weight to some of you than the feeling of "doing the right thing".
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Honestly this puts a large dent in any teams reputation, but I love how people here are saying things like "u done namchir" like it really effects him at all. I'm sure many players, if asked to play, would; just for the hell of it. It speaks much more to the organization than to the player. It's a dirty thing for the team to do, if this is for something that is not even for money, just think what lengths the team will go too when there is a fat cheque on the line. I dont think this will even effect richman much if any at all. He's just the guy who wanted to play the games. So in this respect I feel your anger is a little misguided, the title suggests you dissaprove of richmanm but he's just the pawn playing the games. IMO the op should be more about the teams actions, not the hard worker. As the team, it's a dirty disgusting thing to do when people are trying to hard to bring e-sports to the dining room table. OP did the right thing. What a trashy team, this aint bw.
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SeleCT actually pulled this couple months ago on a small Korean American community tournament. First place prize was the Razer Maruader Keyboard and the Spectre Mouse. His friend got to round of 32 and suddenly the player went from 70 apm terran who uses no hotkeys to 260 apm terran machine who had exact same key prints as SeleCT. He was banned immediately from the tournament but I was surprised how a progamer would cheat on such a small tournament and annoyed by how he didn't think this was cheating and just shrugged off the incident.
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You did the right thing, guy. Kudos.
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i don't think richman is "done", but this hurts his reputation as well as that of FCG (most importantly, as it makes their accomplishments to date very suspect and illegitimate) and to a much lesser extent, ONE (who might force an apology from namchir and admit that one of their players has been caught cheating in a competition, but this isn't really necessary)
most likely we'll just see a "yeah that wont happen again, lolololoololol" followed by "here's some punishment as a gesture of brief disappointment and shame", richman will go under the radar for a bit and we'll shortly forget about this thereafter.
still, what a freaking shame. and yeah, the OP's post feels tinged with hastily expressed and not well thought out anger, but public exposure is the best way to make sure a well known player who plays for a respected team is held accountable. i think he would have gotten a very insignificant slap on the wrist if the OP had tried to take this through the "proper" channels
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Thanks for exposing such behavior.
It absolutely blows my mind that people have actually given you shit in this thread for exposing misconduct within the SC2 scene.
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You did the right thing, Energie. Regardless what anyone says.
gj <3
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He is right,
There used to be a lot of cheating like this even in Brood War. So many examples from WGTour alone, meh.
I think you should have contacted the manager for ONEGaming first though.
Anyway, it's highly frowned upon. This is why websites like WGTour had all those features to report players. The consequences would be strict and change the complexion of the divisions. Any wins the player had would be reversed and they would get banned for a set period. If they were repeat offenders they would be banned permanently from competition.
There have been many scenarios like this. Many players never change though.
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The title should be changed to focus more on the team, rather than Richman. He doesn't have anything to gain from helping FCG, and probably didn't think it was a big deal. I would hate to see a player as good as he is have his reputation ruined over something like this.
I am not at all defending FCG. Cheating like this delegitimizes their team, and rightly so. I am glad they were exposed.
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On June 03 2011 22:38 Kamedience wrote:
The title should be changed to focus more on the team, rather than Richman. He doesn't have anything to gain from helping FCG, and probably didn't think it was a big deal. I would hate to see a player as good as he is have his reputation ruined over something like this.
I am not at all defending FCG. Cheating like this delegitimizes their team, and rightly so. I am glad they were exposed.
It's on richman as much as it is the team. He is obviously way more known than FCG and could have easily just said no to avoid this.
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I don't see why the title should be changed.
I agree in FCG having the benefit, but still it is Namhcir as a player who does the deed. It is not like he has to do it or anything and he should be perfectly aware, that what he is doing is not right.
Nice catch by the OP, hope this gets resolved quickly.
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On June 03 2011 22:45 RaFeStaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 22:38 Kamedience wrote:
The title should be changed to focus more on the team, rather than Richman. He doesn't have anything to gain from helping FCG, and probably didn't think it was a big deal. I would hate to see a player as good as he is have his reputation ruined over something like this.
I am not at all defending FCG. Cheating like this delegitimizes their team, and rightly so. I am glad they were exposed. It's on richman as much as it is the team. He is obviously way more known than FCG and could have easily just said no to avoid this.
"with great power comes great responsibility"
-Uncle Ben
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namhcir shouold be booted from clan wars in the future
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On June 03 2011 16:18 Wolf wrote:
Exposing things like this is bold, and needs to happen in order for ESPORTS to grow in a proper manner. Sorry Namhcir, you've been caught. Thought you were better than this.
Meh, he may not have known what he was doing. Maybe he thought he was just smurfing some random (leader said we cant lose to some randoms so why not smurf them in Namchir's mind)
Bad look regardless, but smurfing happens all the time. Sometimes people laugh and love it (look at Testie's stream where all he does is smash noobs in HoN all day and pretty much maintains 1k viewers), rarely people get really mad about it and post on the forums. Suddenly smurfing like this is hated and omg no one should do it. Somewhat of a double standard, yeah?
Then again, smurfing vs random pubs is not the same as smurfing in a clan war, we all know that. What I'm saying is maybe he was just in it for the fun of smashing some random noob, we don't know.
As for the people mad at the OP, I don't get it. At least the OP took the time to do his homework and make a case. These aren't accusations backed by little evidence.
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On June 03 2011 22:45 RaFeStaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 22:38 Kamedience wrote:
The title should be changed to focus more on the team, rather than Richman. He doesn't have anything to gain from helping FCG, and probably didn't think it was a big deal. I would hate to see a player as good as he is have his reputation ruined over something like this.
I am not at all defending FCG. Cheating like this delegitimizes their team, and rightly so. I am glad they were exposed. It's on richman as much as it is the team. He is obviously way more known than FCG and could have easily just said no to avoid this.
Of course it is on Richman to say no. I just see this thread going in a direction where he gets more flack/hate than is deserved.
"ur done richman"
Give me a break.
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On June 03 2011 23:03 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 16:18 Wolf wrote:
Exposing things like this is bold, and needs to happen in order for ESPORTS to grow in a proper manner. Sorry Namhcir, you've been caught. Thought you were better than this. Meh, he may not have known what he was doing. Maybe he thought he was just smurfing some random (leader said we cant lose to some randoms so why not smurf them in Namchir's mind) Bad look regardless, but smurfing happens all the time. Sometimes people laugh and love it (look at Testie's stream where all he does is smash noobs in HoN all day and pretty much maintains 1k viewers), rarely people get really mad about it and post on the forums. Suddenly smurfing like this is hated and omg no one should do it. Somewhat of a double standard, yeah? Then again, smurfing vs random pubs is not the same as smurfing in a clan war, we all know that. What I'm saying is maybe he was just in it for the fun of smashing some random noob, we don't know. As for the people mad at the OP, I don't get it. At least the OP took the time to do his homework and make a case. These aren't accusations backed by little evidence.
we are talking about a Clan BORROWING a member of a RESPECTABLE team in NA sever to play their CW for them and you call it not serious?
Its like high school soccer borrowing Rolando to play for them in a local cup. And the worst part is: THEY LIE ABOUT IT!
Both the player and the team who borrow the player should reflect this on themself and ONEgaming should make an official statement on this situation.
Like wolf said, we cant treat this situation lightly in order for #ESPORT to grow. CombatEX has been banned for life in CSL just because of his bm, somebody better make a move on this :-/
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dunno why people cheat in situations like this. Not that I condone cheating, but really? cheating over a clan war?
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On June 03 2011 23:06 Kamedience wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 22:45 RaFeStaR wrote:On June 03 2011 22:38 Kamedience wrote:
The title should be changed to focus more on the team, rather than Richman. He doesn't have anything to gain from helping FCG, and probably didn't think it was a big deal. I would hate to see a player as good as he is have his reputation ruined over something like this.
I am not at all defending FCG. Cheating like this delegitimizes their team, and rightly so. I am glad they were exposed. It's on richman as much as it is the team. He is obviously way more known than FCG and could have easily just said no to avoid this. Of course it is on Richman to say no. I just see this thread going in a direction where he gets more flack/hate than is deserved. "ur done richman" Give me a break.
He should get the majority of the flack. He is on a pretty good team and he's relatively known. I've never even heard of FCG before this thread, so yeah, he deserves as much as he's getting.
As far as being "done" I agree with you. People have done far worse and are still around, but as far as this particular topic goes, he is getting the criticism he deserves.
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Is that the best example you can come up with? Nick smashing newbs on HoN during and a player competing for two different teams in a clan league (mind you ONE isn't competing in it) are two different beasts. You are undermining the league and guess what happens, more teams have to recruit mercenaries. Why do you think many clan leagues have divisions? ._.
If you are under contract with a sponsored team there should be a term against something like this.
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I can understand why the clan in question would do this... but it is shady and should not have been done. Good looks for making it public, maybe could have been done a little more tastefully... but the important thing is exposure. Hope things work out for you in the future on a little more honest club ^^
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On June 03 2011 23:11 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 23:03 Risen wrote:On June 03 2011 16:18 Wolf wrote:
Exposing things like this is bold, and needs to happen in order for ESPORTS to grow in a proper manner. Sorry Namhcir, you've been caught. Thought you were better than this. Meh, he may not have known what he was doing. Maybe he thought he was just smurfing some random (leader said we cant lose to some randoms so why not smurf them in Namchir's mind) Bad look regardless, but smurfing happens all the time. Sometimes people laugh and love it (look at Testie's stream where all he does is smash noobs in HoN all day and pretty much maintains 1k viewers), rarely people get really mad about it and post on the forums. Suddenly smurfing like this is hated and omg no one should do it. Somewhat of a double standard, yeah? Then again, smurfing vs random pubs is not the same as smurfing in a clan war, we all know that. What I'm saying is maybe he was just in it for the fun of smashing some random noob, we don't know. As for the people mad at the OP, I don't get it. At least the OP took the time to do his homework and make a case. These aren't accusations backed by little evidence. we are talking about a Clan BORROWING a member of a RESPECTABLE team in NA sever to play their CW for them and you call it not serious? Its like high school soccer borrowing Rolando to play for them in a local cup. And the worst part is: THEY LIE ABOUT IT! Both the player and the team who borrow the player should reflect this on themself and ONEgaming should make an official statement on this situation. Like wolf said, we cant treat this situation lightly in order for #ESPORT to grow. CombatEX has been banned for life in CSL just because of his bm, somebody better make a move on this :-/
And I'm saying we don't know the whole story SO LET'S TALK IN CAPS.
We don't know his motivation, we don't even know if he knew it was a clan war. How do you know? Were you there? It doesn't sound like the OP was ever a part of any conversation that included him. All we can prove is that he smurfed against some random. Oh my, how damning!
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On June 03 2011 23:16 StarStruck wrote:
Is that the best example you can come up with? Nick smashing newbs on HoN during and a player competing for two different teams in a clan league (mind you ONE isn't competing in it) are two different beasts. ._.
If you are under contract with a sponsored team there should be a term against something like this.
My whole point with that was to say, "Oh maybe he didn't know it was for a clan war, maybe he thought it was vs some random shit talking"
Guess what Nick does in HoN (smash noobs)
Guess what Namchir might have thought he was doing (smashing noobs)
We don't know that he knew it was for a clan war.
In the end it might come out that he did know, and if it's proven then I'll jump on the wagon with everyone and agree that this is horrible. But until we know that all this is useless speculation.
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Is that the best reasoning you can come up with? Really now. He didn't know? o-O You expect me to believe that crock. Don't piss in my cereal.
I'm pretty certain the manager of FCG knew exactly what he was doing. Considering this isn't the first time he called upon NamchiR and leagues commence in channels and custom games. I'm almost certain Richman knew exactly what was going on too.
Regardless of the prize amount of the league, there is still a lot to be gained for doing such a petty thing. For one, winning a division let alone climbing the ranks of a league is more than enough to attract more sponsors let alone earn your team more opportunities.
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Alright, I actually just woke Rich up to talk to him about this and see what the deal was.
First off, he admits he did it and that he was an idiot. According to Rich someone he gives lessons to, whom actually has spent over 600 bucks with Rich asked him to do it. Rich decided to play being that he was told it wasn't for any league / turny / any kind of prize as it was just a scrimmage. He screwed up and admits he was wrong.
As the owner of ONE this does frustrate me quite a bit, and I can assure everyone that nothing like this will happen again. Right now, were here at MLG focused on performing well. Thanks for making me aware of the situation.
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Ok good. That settles this fiasco.
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Boom. Guess that's what I get for granting benefit of the doubt :/
((Now to watch the LastShadow thread))
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After $600 of lessons you'd think the guy could win games on his own lololol
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On June 03 2011 23:31 Risen wrote:
Boom. Guess that's what I get for granting benefit of the doubt :/
((Now to watch the LastShadow thread))
Not anymore  more evidence required in that thread. This one on other hand...its pretty obvious what's going on.
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Namhzhir - The CheZZer GoT CheeZe :S
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So...
was this clan war actually about anything or was it just a scrim?
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On June 03 2011 23:53 Looms wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 23:31 Risen wrote:
Boom. Guess that's what I get for granting benefit of the doubt :/
((Now to watch the LastShadow thread)) Not anymore more evidence required in that thread. This one on other hand...its pretty obvious what's going on.
Good thing I'm the one who reported the other thread for lack of evidence. I'd more go with a
These things never help the community, even though it's better to hear about them than not.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 03 2011 15:03 Torte de Lini wrote:I wonder how those sponsors feel about the terminology "Rape time" Edit: I wonder how those sponsors feel when the players of the team they're sponsoring is unsure who their sponsor is. 1. Never heard of FCG 2. I doubt the integrity of StarCraft and the competitive scene is immensely obliterated due to this. 3. Shaming and displaying someone publicly achieves nothing. Next time, contact the authorities if this isn't just a "for-fun" scrim and let them handle it.4. All4OneGaming should be notified. 5. Good luck in your endeavors in the StarCraft II competitive scene. 6. Your stance is understandably bias. 7. Insert other key actions that should have been done instead of talking about this publicly. 8. " FCG apparently has a sponsorship with SteelSeries," You're on their team and you don't know their sponsors? See above for edit. 9. Show nested quote +Although I was pissed that I didn't get to play (it was 11:30, I had waited 1.5 hours and I was getting replaced by a double tagger), I was determined to expose FCG and NamchiR's unfair practices. Show nested quote +I'm doing this not only because I'm pissed off they guaranteed me play time and took back their word, but because cheating in Starcraft II damages the overall integrity of the game and community. Well, as long as it is with good intentions and not due to clouded judgement and personal anger towards a small organization. Wait a second... Still, awesome site, looks really well-done! http://www.clanfcg.com/P.S: just to clarify, I'm not trivializing this event with my enumerations, I just don't support the way he's approaching it
Wow... I don't really know what to say about this post. The OP should be handed a medal for boldness and reporting this cheating incident.
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On June 03 2011 15:34 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:32 Maelstrom.cobhc wrote:On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now. I don't think any respectable team would mind him exposing cheaters. Most teams don't want overly reactionary people on their team that they can't trust for legitimate and/or illegitimate things. The guy didn't get to play, so he goes all over the forums.
Except he went all over the forums exposing cheating... I'm getting this vibe that Torte wants to enthusiastically post "Snitches are bitches."
Discretion was/is an option for something like this, but it's better to get it out in the public. It's the end of no one's career most likely - so many of our beloved pro players in SC2 today are abusers/hackers from BW.
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On June 04 2011 00:15 leo23 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 03 2011 15:03 Torte de Lini wrote:I wonder how those sponsors feel about the terminology "Rape time" Edit: I wonder how those sponsors feel when the players of the team they're sponsoring is unsure who their sponsor is. 1. Never heard of FCG 2. I doubt the integrity of StarCraft and the competitive scene is immensely obliterated due to this. 3. Shaming and displaying someone publicly achieves nothing. Next time, contact the authorities if this isn't just a "for-fun" scrim and let them handle it.4. All4OneGaming should be notified. 5. Good luck in your endeavors in the StarCraft II competitive scene. 6. Your stance is understandably bias. 7. Insert other key actions that should have been done instead of talking about this publicly. 8. " FCG apparently has a sponsorship with SteelSeries," You're on their team and you don't know their sponsors? See above for edit. 9. Show nested quote +Although I was pissed that I didn't get to play (it was 11:30, I had waited 1.5 hours and I was getting replaced by a double tagger), I was determined to expose FCG and NamchiR's unfair practices. Show nested quote +I'm doing this not only because I'm pissed off they guaranteed me play time and took back their word, but because cheating in Starcraft II damages the overall integrity of the game and community. Well, as long as it is with good intentions and not due to clouded judgement and personal anger towards a small organization. Wait a second... Still, awesome site, looks really well-done! http://www.clanfcg.com/P.S: just to clarify, I'm not trivializing this event with my enumerations, I just don't support the way he's approaching it Wow... I don't really know what to say about this post. The OP should be handed a medal for boldness and reporting this cheating incident.
Say that I can count even late in the night.
I still think it would have been more professional to report it to the authorities (and if they take no action, then publicly display it).
Someone who creates an outburst like this is a bit... reactionary. Would have looked more noble of him if he didn't do this with a side-order of understandable anger.
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On June 04 2011 00:16 Mercadia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:34 Torte de Lini wrote:On June 03 2011 15:32 Maelstrom.cobhc wrote:On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now. I don't think any respectable team would mind him exposing cheaters. Most teams don't want overly reactionary people on their team that they can't trust for legitimate and/or illegitimate things. The guy didn't get to play, so he goes all over the forums. Except he went all over the forums exposing cheating... I'm getting this vibe that Torte wants to enthusiastically post "Snitches are bitches." Discretion was/is an option for something like this, but it's better to get it out in the public. It's the end of no one's career most likely - so many of our beloved pro players in SC2 today are abusers/hackers from BW.
No, I don't rhyme unless it's Dr. Dre's Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks, to which I'm soon follow with: "I actually respect women and "bitches" a lot".
Hey, it's his findings. I disagree, but I'm not going to paint red and tell him to go to Hell for acting this way, it's justified.
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On June 04 2011 00:16 Mercadia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:34 Torte de Lini wrote:On June 03 2011 15:32 Maelstrom.cobhc wrote:On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now. I don't think any respectable team would mind him exposing cheaters. Most teams don't want overly reactionary people on their team that they can't trust for legitimate and/or illegitimate things. The guy didn't get to play, so he goes all over the forums. Except he went all over the forums exposing cheating... I'm getting this vibe that Torte wants to enthusiastically post "Snitches are bitches." Discretion was/is an option for something like this, but it's better to get it out in the public. It's the end of no one's career most likely - so many of our beloved pro players in SC2 today are abusers/hackers from BW.
I think you give Torte way too much credit if you think he ever has a point to his ramblings
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On June 04 2011 00:21 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 00:16 Mercadia wrote:On June 03 2011 15:34 Torte de Lini wrote:On June 03 2011 15:32 Maelstrom.cobhc wrote:On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now. I don't think any respectable team would mind him exposing cheaters. Most teams don't want overly reactionary people on their team that they can't trust for legitimate and/or illegitimate things. The guy didn't get to play, so he goes all over the forums. Except he went all over the forums exposing cheating... I'm getting this vibe that Torte wants to enthusiastically post "Snitches are bitches." Discretion was/is an option for something like this, but it's better to get it out in the public. It's the end of no one's career most likely - so many of our beloved pro players in SC2 today are abusers/hackers from BW. I think you give Torte way too much credit if you think he ever has a point to his ramblings
Y'know, sometimes I do coherently blather about something.
Not my fault your literary skills aren't up to par to Dr. Seuss D:<
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On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now.
lol? What is wrong with you people. He was clearly in the right here.
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On June 04 2011 00:23 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 00:21 floor exercise wrote:On June 04 2011 00:16 Mercadia wrote:On June 03 2011 15:34 Torte de Lini wrote:On June 03 2011 15:32 Maelstrom.cobhc wrote:On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now. I don't think any respectable team would mind him exposing cheaters. Most teams don't want overly reactionary people on their team that they can't trust for legitimate and/or illegitimate things. The guy didn't get to play, so he goes all over the forums. Except he went all over the forums exposing cheating... I'm getting this vibe that Torte wants to enthusiastically post "Snitches are bitches." Discretion was/is an option for something like this, but it's better to get it out in the public. It's the end of no one's career most likely - so many of our beloved pro players in SC2 today are abusers/hackers from BW. I think you give Torte way too much credit if you think he ever has a point to his ramblings Y'know, sometimes I do coherently blather about something. Not my fault your literary skills aren't up to par to Dr. Seuss D:<
Torte, while I disagree with your opinions in this thread I must take this opportunity to back up the fact that you're cool.
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On June 03 2011 18:17 Gumbot wrote:Richman got the first Grand marshal title on Arthas,hes a beast in d2 and wc3 and now he is making people cry in sc2... winning! I don't condone the cheating, but man this guy sure is busy playing blizzard games
:O I played on Arthas no way!!! What was his character name?
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Some men just want to watch the world burn.
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On June 04 2011 03:01 DivinO wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 00:23 Torte de Lini wrote:On June 04 2011 00:21 floor exercise wrote:On June 04 2011 00:16 Mercadia wrote:On June 03 2011 15:34 Torte de Lini wrote:On June 03 2011 15:32 Maelstrom.cobhc wrote:On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now. I don't think any respectable team would mind him exposing cheaters. Most teams don't want overly reactionary people on their team that they can't trust for legitimate and/or illegitimate things. The guy didn't get to play, so he goes all over the forums. Except he went all over the forums exposing cheating... I'm getting this vibe that Torte wants to enthusiastically post "Snitches are bitches." Discretion was/is an option for something like this, but it's better to get it out in the public. It's the end of no one's career most likely - so many of our beloved pro players in SC2 today are abusers/hackers from BW. I think you give Torte way too much credit if you think he ever has a point to his ramblings Y'know, sometimes I do coherently blather about something. Not my fault your literary skills aren't up to par to Dr. Seuss D:< Torte, while I disagree with your opinions in this thread I must take this opportunity to back up the fact that you're cool.
Aw, thanks.
and ah well, a few disagree and agree with me: a split, no different than my bowling~
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In the beginning of a thread, stupid people often just don't know which bandwagon to hop on, so they resort something that's usually safe on the internet: ridicule the OP for caring.
So yeah, good job OP. I hope you will be able to join a decent clan very soon. Screw cheaters, you did the right thing.
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On June 04 2011 03:27 -Frog- wrote:
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
I couldn't agree more.
Good job OP. You took a bullet for a better community, therefore I salute you.
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So... why does this matter?
If its just some pub clan / cw, big deal.
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teamliquid,
only place where the posters get angry at someone exposing a cheater, instead of getting angry at the cheater.
el oh el
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gj autumn, i commend you for your braveness and courage. putting your own ass on the line to exploit a cheater and double tagger. i dont care if he was playing in just a scrimmage or a multi-thousand dollar league, double tagging should be looked down upon.
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Hey,
One of my guys just informed me of this post. I'll start out saying that looking @ hotkeys, apm, whatnot does not say that that is namchir playing.
1. NamchiR did not play for us in that scrimmage.
2. Autumn is just a disgruntled former member who did not have the opportunity to play, because of the fact that he was picked up by our team on the day that the scrimmage was happening. We simply did not want to risk putting him in on the first day.
3. This scrimmage was for fun and not part of any league.
As for the comment regarding looking @ the hotkeys:
I think I speak for many people when I say that, often, players mimic pro players' hotkey settings. It is all about preference. Given the fact that you can only hotkey 1-0, there are not many variations, considering the amount of buildings that are available.
NamchiR in no way was ghosting for us.
DTank,
Manager
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As for the "cheating" part, if somehow namchir did ghost for us, it would not be cheating since it was a scrimmage for PRACTICE/FUN. not part of a league.
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Sorry for the triple post: To finalize it all, NamchiR did not ghost for us. Autumn is simply mad that we didn't let him participate on the very first day he was recruited, and in no way did i guarantee him a spot. I told him that it depends if our entire lineup shows up or not.
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On June 03 2011 16:18 Wolf wrote:
Exposing things like this is bold, and needs to happen in order for ESPORTS to grow in a proper manner. Sorry Namhcir, you've been caught. Thought you were better than this.
What's with the self-important condemnation / judgement? I thought you were better than that. How does it feel?
Ideally, this community would be considerate enough to stop and question whether they lead perfect lives themselves, and then stfu over someone helping out a friend in a low-tier clan war. You may have been taking that event really seriously but knowing rich personally, and his skill level - I wouldn't be surprised if he was eating a sandwich and laughing on vent or something, talking about something irrelevant to SC2. If I were him, I may very well feel that that level of play is a joke. The guy is good.
Everybody here sees "caught" and then acts like this is MLG instead of a no-name clan war where people may not be spurred to incorporate and act on the highest ethical considerations possible. There are bronze clan wars. And so what if this one wasn't? I'm just illustrating that something being a "clan war" isn't an automatic BFD that should make everybody stop and have a gandhi moment.
So, really. If you make mistakes, or sometimes do things without having considered every possible thing and other party involved - (and you do) - then I'd suggest you stfu rather than continuing to embarass yourselves with your desperation to throw out impersonalized judgement and condemnation from your likewise impersonal thrones across the great wide internet. It's hypocritical to boot.
Disregarding the image-projecting moral soldiers of esports forums that would respond stubbornly to this; How would you be acting or thinking about this person if you actually knew him, or were even his friend? Maybe a little different. And maybe for better reasons than a mere bias of loyalty. Maybe a little different because you actually knew anything about the people you were talking about
Food for thought. Myself and many of my SC2 friends have known Rich since beta and we can all personally tell you that he's a really great guy. <3 you Rich!
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lol scrimmage or not, it's still double tagging. whos to say he won't do it when it counts because he did it in scrimmages before? he got on someone elses account and played as if he was them. dumb argument.
secondly u dont even address the screenshot. how do you explain that?
what a bad cover up rofl not to mention he admits doing it
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On June 04 2011 04:50 DTank wrote:
Sorry for the triple post: To finalize it all, NamchiR did not ghost for us. Autumn is simply mad that we didn't let him participate on the very first day he was recruited, and in no way did i guarantee him a spot. I told him that it depends if our entire lineup shows up or not.
Namchir admitted he ghosted...
edit: found the quote
On June 03 2011 23:27 RuMCaKe wrote:
Alright, I actually just woke Rich up to talk to him about this and see what the deal was.
First off, he admits he did it and that he was an idiot. According to Rich someone he gives lessons to, whom actually has spent over 600 bucks with Rich asked him to do it. Rich decided to play being that he was told it wasn't for any league / turny / any kind of prize as it was just a scrimmage. He screwed up and admits he was wrong.
As the owner of ONE this does frustrate me quite a bit, and I can assure everyone that nothing like this will happen again. Right now, were here at MLG focused on performing well. Thanks for making me aware of the situation.
also the hotkeys have been used forever in finding ghosters and smurfs
and there was a screenshot of you saying that Namhcir played for you
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On June 04 2011 04:53 Lumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 16:18 Wolf wrote:
Exposing things like this is bold, and needs to happen in order for ESPORTS to grow in a proper manner. Sorry Namhcir, you've been caught. Thought you were better than this. What's with the self-important condemnation / judgement? I thought you were better than that. How does it feel? Ideally, this community would be considerate enough to stop and question whether they lead perfect lives themselves, and then stfu over someone helping out a friend in a low-tier clan war. You may have been taking that event really seriously but knowing rich personally, and his skill level - I wouldn't be surprised if he was eating a sandwich and laughing on vent or something, talking about something irrelevant to SC2. If I were him, I may very well feel that that level of play is a joke. The guy is good. Everybody here sees "caught" and then acts like this is MLG instead of a no-name clan war where people may not be spurred to incorporate and act on the highest ethical considerations possible. There are bronze clan wars. And so what if this one wasn't? I'm just illustrating that something being a "clan war" isn't an automatic BFD that should make everybody stop and have a gandhi moment. So, really. If you make mistakes, or sometimes do things without having considered every possible thing and other party involved - (and you do) - then I'd suggest you stfu rather than continuing to embarass yourselves with your desperation to throw out judgement and condemnation from your completely impersonal thrones across the great wide internet. It's hypocritical to boot. Disregarding the image-projecting moral soldiers that would respond stubbornly to this; How would you be acting or thinking about this person if you actually knew him, or were even his friend? Maybe a little different. And maybe for better reasons than a mere bias of loyalty. Maybe a little different because you actually knew anything about the people you were talking about Food for thought. I <3 namhcir, personally.
+ Show Spoiler +
there are plenty of other cheesy all in terrans to love, would it really be hard to pick another? lol
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On June 04 2011 04:47 DTank wrote:
Hey,
One of my guys just informed me of this post. I'll start out saying that looking @ hotkeys, apm, whatnot does not say that that is namchir playing.
1. NamchiR did not play for us in that scrimmage.
2. Autumn is just a disgruntled former member who did not have the opportunity to play, because of the fact that he was picked up by our team on the day that the scrimmage was happening. We simply did not want to risk putting him in on the first day.
3. This scrimmage was for fun and not part of any league.
As for the comment regarding looking @ the hotkeys:
I think I speak for many people when I say that, often, players mimic pro players' hotkey settings. It is all about preference. Given the fact that you can only hotkey 1-0, there are not many variations, considering the amount of buildings that are available.
NamchiR in no way was ghosting for us.
DTank,
Manager
Explain the image that directly points out that you said "Namchir is playing now"
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On June 04 2011 04:47 DTank wrote:
Hey,
One of my guys just informed me of this post. I'll start out saying that looking @ hotkeys, apm, whatnot does not say that that is namchir playing.
1. NamchiR did not play for us in that scrimmage.
2. Autumn is just a disgruntled former member who did not have the opportunity to play, because of the fact that he was picked up by our team on the day that the scrimmage was happening. We simply did not want to risk putting him in on the first day.
3. This scrimmage was for fun and not part of any league.
As for the comment regarding looking @ the hotkeys:
I think I speak for many people when I say that, often, players mimic pro players' hotkey settings. It is all about preference. Given the fact that you can only hotkey 1-0, there are not many variations, considering the amount of buildings that are available.
NamchiR in no way was ghosting for us.
DTank,
Manager
Lol, the screenshot strongly suggests otherwise... Explain that one mate. And no, with 1-0 the number of possible permutations of combinations of hotkeys pressed even in a short space of time is an incredibly large number. The spam looked identical.
Just my take on it, your argument seemed kinda underwhelming compared to the evidence to suggest that Namchir did play for you.
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On June 04 2011 04:47 DTank wrote:
Hey,
One of my guys just informed me of this post. I'll start out saying that looking @ hotkeys, apm, whatnot does not say that that is namchir playing.
1. NamchiR did not play for us in that scrimmage.
2. Autumn is just a disgruntled former member who did not have the opportunity to play, because of the fact that he was picked up by our team on the day that the scrimmage was happening. We simply did not want to risk putting him in on the first day.
3. This scrimmage was for fun and not part of any league.
As for the comment regarding looking @ the hotkeys:
I think I speak for many people when I say that, often, players mimic pro players' hotkey settings. It is all about preference. Given the fact that you can only hotkey 1-0, there are not many variations, considering the amount of buildings that are available.
NamchiR in no way was ghosting for us.
DTank,
Manager
rofl, way to nuke the credibility of your clan forever
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On June 04 2011 04:47 DTank wrote:
Hey,
One of my guys just informed me of this post. I'll start out saying that looking @ hotkeys, apm, whatnot does not say that that is namchir playing.
1. NamchiR did not play for us in that scrimmage.
2. Autumn is just a disgruntled former member who did not have the opportunity to play, because of the fact that he was picked up by our team on the day that the scrimmage was happening. We simply did not want to risk putting him in on the first day.
3. This scrimmage was for fun and not part of any league.
As for the comment regarding looking @ the hotkeys:
I think I speak for many people when I say that, often, players mimic pro players' hotkey settings. It is all about preference. Given the fact that you can only hotkey 1-0, there are not many variations, considering the amount of buildings that are available.
NamchiR in no way was ghosting for us.
DTank,
Manager
Should've taken the time to read the thread before you spout lies. The ONE team manager said that NamchiR himself played in that for you. Here you are saying that he didn't. If NamchiR himself said that he played, and you are saying that he did not, what are people to think? Now you're caught in a lie, it seems.
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On June 04 2011 04:50 DTank wrote:
Sorry for the triple post: To finalize it all, NamchiR did not ghost for us. Autumn is simply mad that we didn't let him participate on the very first day he was recruited, and in no way did i guarantee him a spot. I told him that it depends if our entire lineup shows up or not.
Well, this is problematic...
On June 03 2011 23:27 RuMCaKe wrote:
Alright, I actually just woke Rich up to talk to him about this and see what the deal was.
First off, he admits he did it and that he was an idiot. According to Rich someone he gives lessons to, whom actually has spent over 600 bucks with Rich asked him to do it. Rich decided to play being that he was told it wasn't for any league / turny / any kind of prize as it was just a scrimmage. He screwed up and admits he was wrong.
As the owner of ONE this does frustrate me quite a bit, and I can assure everyone that nothing like this will happen again. Right now, were here at MLG focused on performing well. Thanks for making me aware of the situation.
So are Autumn and Namhcir both just out to get you?
I can understand Richman's decision making, but it was still wrong. He thought it was no big deal considering it wasn't for any league and apparently there was the pride of one his students on the line. That said, he apparently admitted to it and acknowledged his mistake and while it was a pretty stupid and wrong thing to do, considering it wasn't for any kind of league I'm not to upset by it.
On the other hand, the team that asked him to play... I mean really, sure your pride may be on the line in losing but it's really stupid to cheat like that and then come out and try to play cover-up.
This looks pretty cut and clear at the moment.
Also, I do actually think the OP handled this a little bit poorly but that's not what any of us should focus on considering there aren't exactly proper procedures for this situation(at least none that I know of). Then again, since it wasn't a league it's not like he could alert the people running the league, so overall he made a pretty adequate decision in outing those involved on TL...
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On June 04 2011 05:02 Kraznaya wrote:
rofl, way to nuke the credibility of your clan forever
This was in no official league, tournie, nor had it any prize pool. My teams' credibility in events has nothing to do with a practice scrimmage.
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And at first I did not want to disclose that namchir played for us, because I did not want to risk him getting in trouble. Someone who has respect for friends should be able to understand that. I did not know he admitted to it prior.
User was banned for this post.
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dtank is in the dunk tank
Edit: ^ LOL U SRS BRO?
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Yeah this thread really should have been about the clan not Rich. It's clear that this kid is mad about his not getting to played and then sees someone who's pretty famous and gosu and went for it like a target, specifically to ruin someones reputation. If there had been a person without as big a reputation, we wouldn't be seeing all this fanfare. Hard to be considerate when you feel like a victim, though.
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The fact that you're attempting to cover up what is already clearly obvious takes away any and all credibility that I, and I'm sure many others, had or may have had in the future for your clan.
It's better to apologize and come off as addressing the issue rather than dodging and making excuses. (And that touch of arrogance doesn't help either.)
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On June 04 2011 05:07 DTank wrote:
And at first I did not want to disclose that namchir played for us, because I did not want to risk him getting in trouble. Someone who has respect for friends should be able to understand that. I did not know he admitted to it prior.
You're such a good friend to have!
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On June 04 2011 05:06 DTank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 05:02 Kraznaya wrote:
rofl, way to nuke the credibility of your clan forever
This was in no official league, tournie, nor had it any prize pool. My teams' credibility in events has nothing to do with a practice scrimmage.
You just proved you're a liar, and that your word is worthless because you'll cover up any questionable behavior by your clan. The fact that the scrimmage was not in an official capacity is immaterial. If your clan maphacked and you lied to cover it up, would that make the maphacking or the lying any worse if it wasn't in an "official" tournament?
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On June 04 2011 05:06 DTank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 05:02 Kraznaya wrote:
rofl, way to nuke the credibility of your clan forever
This was in no official league, tournie, nor had it any prize pool. My teams' credibility in events has nothing to do with a practice scrimmage.
your team's credibility has to do with you lying trying to cover it up after loads of evidence have been against your lies. you are untrustworthy and dont play by the rules bro
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I really... really don't know what to say at this point DTank...
You cheat, you lie and then you say you didn't want to get your friend in trouble. This is like some middle school level bogus...
And yes, you did really hurt the credibility of your clan and yourself and it being a practice scrimmage just makes it all the more stupid, you did this all over a practice scrimmage...
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Yes NamchiR did play for us, but once again, i'll leave it at the fact that this was a practice scrimmage, not part of any tournament, league, and had no prize pool involved.
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Watch how the manager of ONE handles it; learn from that.
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On June 04 2011 05:11 DTank wrote:
Yes NamchiR did play for us, but once again, i'll leave it at the fact that this was a practice scrimmage, not part of any tournament, league, and had no prize pool involved.
and?
You tried to lie to the community.
If it wasnt so "serious" then you wouldnt have even lied in the first place.
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On June 04 2011 05:11 DTank wrote:
Yes NamchiR did play for us, but once again, i'll leave it at the fact that this was a practice scrimmage, not part of any tournament, league, and had no prize pool involved.
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On June 04 2011 04:50 DTank wrote:
Sorry for the triple post: To finalize it all, NamchiR did not ghost for us. Autumn is simply mad that we didn't let him participate on the very first day he was recruited, and in no way did i guarantee him a spot. I told him that it depends if our entire lineup shows up or not.
LOL this is hilarious
and again, the fact that it had no prize pool and wasnt for anything does not MATTER. its still CHEATING.
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I said what I said because I don't think its right how everyone was discussing NamchiR playing with us as if we were doing this @ MLG.
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On June 04 2011 05:08 Lumi wrote:
Yeah this thread really should have been about the clan not Rich. It's clear that this kid is mad about his not getting to played and then sees someone who's pretty famous and gosu and went for it like a target, specifically to ruin someones reputation. If there had been a person without as big a reputation, we wouldn't be seeing all this fanfare. Hard to be considerate when you feel like a victim, though.
Cheating is cheating and in this sport where online play leaves many opportunities for it, when caught it should be a big deal so it deters people in the future. Most of the focus has been on the clan, particularly after dTank's comments, but Rich isn't entirely without fault either. He made the right decision to admit it when asked though, meanwhile dTank dug himself deep into a hole...
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On June 04 2011 05:11 DTank wrote:
Yes NamchiR did play for us, but once again, i'll leave it at the fact that this was a practice scrimmage, not part of any tournament, league, and had no prize pool involved.
You continue to try and iterate that this "practice scrimmage" was worth nothing, and yet at the time you thought you had to win it and so you brought in someone to smurf for a win. You lost all credibility with the lie at the start. Trying to make it seem like less than it is will now hurt you worse than just admitting to it fully.
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On June 04 2011 05:14 DTank wrote:
I said what I said because I don't think its right how everyone was discussing NamchiR playing with us as if we were doing this @ MLG.
how would you do this at mlg when players are there physically in person? its not the same
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On June 04 2011 05:07 DTank wrote:
And at first I did not want to disclose that namchir played for us, because I did not want to risk him getting in trouble. Someone who has respect for friends should be able to understand that. I did not know he admitted to it prior.
That was a fantastic bit of backpedaling. If you really "didn't want to disclose" it then you could have just said nothing. But for the sake of the thread, getting caught in a bold-faced lie makes for good entertainment. Bravo!
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On June 04 2011 05:14 DTank wrote:
I said what I said because I don't think its right how everyone was discussing NamchiR playing with us as if we were doing this @ MLG.
It doesnt matter. You pretty much made this situation even worse by lying to the community.
Dont try to justify your actions. -____-
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Seriously DTank, this is like the process you'd go through in middle school, but as a respectable team leader, you'd accept your error and move forward.
It's seriously like something out of middle school. Get caught cheating, lie about cheating, teacher calls you out on your lie because your friend already admitted you two cheated, say you lied to protect your friend to try and make yourself look better, then finally resort to trying to minimize the circumstances that you cheated under, "But, it was just a homework, I don't see the big deal, it wasn't an exam".
In the future, admit your mistake, move forward. Don't shoot yourself in the foot repeatedly and try to underplay the circumstances to make it look like it wasn't a big deal, it was clearly a big deal to you if you resorted to cheating.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 04 2011 04:47 DTank wrote:
Hey,
One of my guys just informed me of this post. I'll start out saying that looking @ hotkeys, apm, whatnot does not say that that is namchir playing.
1. NamchiR did not play for us in that scrimmage.
2. Autumn is just a disgruntled former member who did not have the opportunity to play, because of the fact that he was picked up by our team on the day that the scrimmage was happening. We simply did not want to risk putting him in on the first day.
3. This scrimmage was for fun and not part of any league.
As for the comment regarding looking @ the hotkeys:
I think I speak for many people when I say that, often, players mimic pro players' hotkey settings. It is all about preference. Given the fact that you can only hotkey 1-0, there are not many variations, considering the amount of buildings that are available.
NamchiR in no way was ghosting for us.
DTank,
Manager
hmmm...
+ Show Spoiler +On June 04 2011 04:54 Wesso wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 04:50 DTank wrote:
Sorry for the triple post: To finalize it all, NamchiR did not ghost for us. Autumn is simply mad that we didn't let him participate on the very first day he was recruited, and in no way did i guarantee him a spot. I told him that it depends if our entire lineup shows up or not. Namchir admitted he ghosted... edit: found the quote Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 23:27 RuMCaKe wrote:
Alright, I actually just woke Rich up to talk to him about this and see what the deal was.
First off, he admits he did it and that he was an idiot. According to Rich someone he gives lessons to, whom actually has spent over 600 bucks with Rich asked him to do it. Rich decided to play being that he was told it wasn't for any league / turny / any kind of prize as it was just a scrimmage. He screwed up and admits he was wrong.
As the owner of ONE this does frustrate me quite a bit, and I can assure everyone that nothing like this will happen again. Right now, were here at MLG focused on performing well. Thanks for making me aware of the situation. also the hotkeys have been used forever in finding ghosters and smurfs
Cheaters and liars : one and the same
lol the triple post and subsequent posts remind me of a Dave Chappelle quote about defending yourself too hard...
"See you could tell he was guilty by the way he answered the questions with unrelated facts. For instance, the judge would ask 'Do you remember seeing the victim that night?" and he would answer 'I TOLD YOU I WORK AT BURGER KING!!' "
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Dear god DTank you just owned yourself right in the face. What a joke.
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On June 04 2011 04:47 DTank wrote:
Hey,
One of my guys just informed me of this post. I'll start out saying that looking @ hotkeys, apm, whatnot does not say that that is namchir playing.
1. NamchiR did not play for us in that scrimmage.
2. Autumn is just a disgruntled former member who did not have the opportunity to play, because of the fact that he was picked up by our team on the day that the scrimmage was happening. We simply did not want to risk putting him in on the first day.
3. This scrimmage was for fun and not part of any league.
As for the comment regarding looking @ the hotkeys:
I think I speak for many people when I say that, often, players mimic pro players' hotkey settings. It is all about preference. Given the fact that you can only hotkey 1-0, there are not many variations, considering the amount of buildings that are available.
NamchiR in no way was ghosting for us.
DTank,
Manager
What's the risk in letting a new recruit play in a scrimmage "for fun". And if it's only a scrimmage, why the need to get Rich to play for your team?
P.S. You are such a liar and you were even caught. Shame on you Mr. Manager.
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Whoa, this thread got really out of hand when DTank made a post. If it was just a scrimmage why do you need to have someone from outside of your clan play for you? Other then pride theres nothing to gain by winning. Imo it would've been better to let someone else play and get the practice.
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 mmm so good. Sorry DTank, but unless you admit you lied and apoligize your credibility is permanently shot.
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Cheating in practice matches is hilariously pathetic.
People have been banned from this site just for maphacking in practice matches on iccup, don't see how this is much different. Prize pool or not, FCG is a scum clan.
Poor decision by Richman, but at the very least he's not stupid enough to claim it never happened like DTank. rofl.
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On June 04 2011 05:31 dudeman001 wrote: mmm so good. Sorry DTank, but unless you admit you lied and apoligize your credibility is permanently shot.
Share that popcorn, holy shit! I feel bad for DTank though, didn't read the whole topic before outright lying.
What I like the most is both parties are doing this for non-personal reasons (I am doing this because this sort of stuff destroys the E-Sports community and growth/I was lying to protect a friend and his reputation), plus personal ones!
Good for Richman, though I'm not proud of him.
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At least they have a professional web design team to fall back on.
http://www.clanfcg.com/
Pretty sure they aren't sponsored by SteelSeries...
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On June 04 2011 04:49 DTank wrote:
As for the "cheating" part, if somehow namchir did ghost for us, it would not be cheating since it was a scrimmage for PRACTICE/FUN. not part of a league.
"I'm cheating but it doesn't matter because there was no money on the line" is not really an acceptable defense. The stakes don't change whether or not actual cheating happened.
If some random guy said "I only maphack on the ladder because it's only for practice/fun and doesn't actually matter", would you find that acceptable? Personally, I think it's just as deplorable. The opponents came into this thing with the expectation of fair play.
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I think the real question here is whether or not CFG could have won the match having the OP cheese or if they needed namhcir's finesse to execute said cheese.
needless to say, the op reacted poorly. the clan leader of cfg is making himself look like a bigger baffoon denying it more. why is namhcir risking anything for a clanwar that is "for fun" the whole thing of "for fun" is for practice/fun, this seems so freaking retarded its not even funny.
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On June 03 2011 23:03 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 16:18 Wolf wrote:
Exposing things like this is bold, and needs to happen in order for ESPORTS to grow in a proper manner. Sorry Namhcir, you've been caught. Thought you were better than this. (look at Testie's stream where all he does is smash noobs in HoN all day and pretty much maintains 1k viewers)
Hey guy... bad example. Testie's team SK was given a loss for getting caught cheating (yes this is cheating). Of course everyone chimes in with the, "well... every team uses ringers!" Maybe they do, but they don't get caught. Link below if you care.
http://www.dotallyrad.com/2011/05/08/sk-caught-dirty-ringing-melonzz-to-blame-entirely/
On June 04 2011 05:11 DTank wrote:
Yes NamchiR did play for us, but once again, i'll leave it at the fact that this was a practice scrimmage, not part of any tournament, league, and had no prize pool involved.
So your defense is that the match diddn't matter. If it didn't matter then why were you using a ringer? I've always found the people who're worried about 'stats' rather than actually being good are the ones who often get caught bending the rules which is exactly what you're doing. It wasn't a sanctioned match so we will just bend it a little and lie to the other team even though we have nothing to gain. You sound very shady.
I'd also like to point out that the OP claims, "According to dTank, he "does it all the time" and "never loses". " so the other times were those just practice matches too or was he ringing in regular matches?
Ringing in a scrim when you're not short on players and when you're not disclosing it to the other team and when you're going through the trouble of having someone else pose as one of your players is beyond shady and yet you defend it.
You sir are not fit to run a lemonade stand.
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On June 04 2011 06:23 starcraft911 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 23:03 Risen wrote:On June 03 2011 16:18 Wolf wrote:
Exposing things like this is bold, and needs to happen in order for ESPORTS to grow in a proper manner. Sorry Namhcir, you've been caught. Thought you were better than this. (look at Testie's stream where all he does is smash noobs in HoN all day and pretty much maintains 1k viewers) Hey guy... bad example. Testie's team SK was given a loss for getting caught cheating (yes this is cheating). Of course everyone chimes in with the, "well... every team uses ringers!" Maybe they do, but they don't get caught. Link below if you care. http://www.dotallyrad.com/2011/05/08/sk-caught-dirty-ringing-melonzz-to-blame-entirely/
Someone made a blog about that and it got closed.
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There are a couple things you folks here should know.
1: This was a decision made by the manager (Dtank) to put Namchir in during a casual clanwar. The rest of us (all the members of the FCG team including myself) had zero input in this decision and I actually was openly against it from the beginning (as were others on the team). Infact I argued with Dtank not to do this.
2: Dragging the entire team FCG through the mud (or attempting to) is essentially punishing a full group of players for the misdeeds of 1 person (their manager)
3: There is alot of discontent within FCG for having Dtank as our manager. Myself and others want a change of management. Dtank has not been working out as manager.
4: In conclusion, yes this was an underhanded thing that happened but please don't assume this reflects the integrity of team FCG as a whole, its members, and its attitude towards the competitive scene.
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rofl this is hilarious, rarely are people caught this red handed. DTank, your posts here damaged your own and your team's reputation far more than what the OP did. and richman won't really be affected - while it's a slightly amoral action on his hand, it's also very understandable that he'd make this small favour in what was a seemingly unimportant practice match to maintain good relations with a customer who has paid him $600.
but your posts are just riddled with lies and inconsistencies and it's gonna be biting you in the ass for a good while - hopefully you're pretty young and capable of learning from this whole experience.. as a future "tip"; don't argue that you cheated because it wasn't important. it's a logical fallacy of the worst kind; you cheated because it was important. (at the very least, it was important to you)
what you need to do now, is just live with the fact that your team has been damaged, possibly resign from leadership, and wait some months. apologizing doesn't really work now, because your word has already lost credibility.
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So Dtank what your saying is its ok to map hack as long as its just a scrimage? Cheating is cheating, and most of the time cheaters will always try to cheat. Doesn't matter what kind you do from my experience. I still don't like many players because they cheated to get good and then went legit you are no different. Richman was told it was a scrimage game, if it was anything different then he would be in the wrong as well. I say hire a new manager and dont destroy the players in the team.
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lol dtank, your just making it worse
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This is almost as good as the thread where the guy posted replays and asked if it was a progamer, but it was himself on LT.
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On June 04 2011 05:06 DTank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 05:02 Kraznaya wrote:
rofl, way to nuke the credibility of your clan forever
This was in no official league, tournie, nor had it any prize pool. My teams' credibility in events has nothing to do with a practice scrimmage.
Sort of just lied after your player in question admitted to it
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On June 04 2011 05:06 DTank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 05:02 Kraznaya wrote:
rofl, way to nuke the credibility of your clan forever
This was in no official league, tournie, nor had it any prize pool. My teams' credibility in events has nothing to do with a practice scrimmage.
Did you not read this whole thread? Because what you did in that scrimmage already has had an affect on your teams credibility and especially yours.
First you say NamhciR didnt play, then you admit he did. Man, not only are you a terrible manager it seems, but you are also a horrible liar.
Playing someone not from your team over a team member (even if he was only recruited that day) is some disrespect to your own team. Shows how much confidence you have in your players.
So in summary, you care more about wins in scrimmage matches than giving your team members a chance to play and improve, you are willing to lie despite stated facts, you also deface the people who talk out against like the op. Even if it was only a scrimmage, and even if it wasnt "cheating", with your behavior to the whole situation, I can't but label you a joke.
Your team deserves better.
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I came here to read some NamhciR bashing, but dTank is much more hilarious. Thanks for the good laugh dTank, you're the best.
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1) autumn for president - gj exploiting the cheating clan FCG and richman
2) dtank to Guantanamo Bay for lying and covering up something that was already exposed
3) solid posts azide, i dig your style
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On June 04 2011 07:29 Caliber wrote:
1) autumn for president - gj exploiting the cheating clan FCG and richman
2) dtank to Guantanamo Bay for lying and covering up something that was already exposed
3) solid posts azide, i dig your style
thanks caliber u too <3
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In response to this issue our team FCG has removed DTank as our manager and as member of our team. I'm not going to pretend that our team is big shit and that we actually matter in the starcraft scene as we are a very unknown team. But this kind of crap that DTank pulled isn't excusable when not only did he get caught red handed in cheating in a friendly clan war, but came on here and denied it after the manger of All4One gaming said Richman admitted he played for us and there was a god damn screen shot showing that he actually did it.
So I would like to apologize for DTank's actions and assure everyone that people that are on our team are very upstanding decent players that don't pull stupid shit like this. But at this point the damage is done and I hope you guys don't think poorly of our players as they really don't deserve it and a few of us told DTank not to let Richman play for us in this clan war that doesn't matter outside of a friendly scrimmage.
DTank has been on the edge for awhile now on our team and we thought you know, he could maybe stop screwing up and do things he promised. But at this point it's pretty apparent that it's not going to happen so we are going to have to let him go.
Anyways, sorry for the trouble folks, I hope you guys don't hold this against our other players. The matter has been dealt with internally and you won't be hearing about dumb crap like this shitting up the TL boards again.
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Snitches get Stitches SON 
No but seriously this is a joke any manager who puts their teams reputation on the line by doing sketchy stuff deserves to be laughed at and disparaged by the community. But, I think the onus is on the whole team to take action and make a statement not some guy acting out over his own anger. Just makes sense to talk to the guys you decided to make your teammates before making a decision that is no doubt going to effect them unfavorably.
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There are a couple things you folks here should know.
1: This was a decision made by the manager (Dtank) to put Namchir in during a casual clanwar. The rest of us (all the members of the FCG team including myself) had zero input in this decision and I actually was openly against it from the beginning (as were others on the team). Infact I argued with Dtank not to do this.
2: Dragging the entire team FCG through the mud (or attempting to) is essentially punishing a full group of players for the misdeeds of 1 person (their manager)
3: There is alot of discontent within FCG for having Dtank as our manager. Myself and others want a change of management. Dtank has not been working out as manager.
4: In conclusion, yes this was an underhanded thing that happened but please don't assume this reflects the integrity of team FCG as a whole, its members, and its attitude towards the competitive scene
I'm sorry to say that your manager's actions have seriously damaged your team's reputation. That being said, leaving and starting a new clan or just having a change in management will both bring your team back out of this crapfest.
Edit: hmm, called it
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On June 04 2011 08:19 FCGpanzer wrote:
In response to this issue our team FCG has removed DTank as our manager and as member of our team. I'm not going to pretend that our team is big shit and that we actually matter in the starcraft scene as we are a very unknown team. But this kind of crap that DTank pulled isn't excusable when not only did he get caught red handed in cheating in a friendly clan war, but came on here and denied it after the manger of All4One gaming said Richman admitted he played for us and there was a god damn screen shot showing that he actually did it.
So I would like to apologize for DTank's actions and assure everyone that people that are on our team are very upstanding decent players that don't pull stupid shit like this. But at this point the damage is done and I hope you guys don't think poorly of our players as they really don't deserve it and a few of us told DTank not to let Richman play for us in this clan war that doesn't matter outside of a friendly scrimmage.
DTank has been on the edge for awhile now on our team and we thought you know, he could maybe stop screwing up and do things he promised. But at this point it's pretty apparent that it's not going to happen so we are going to have to let him go.
Anyways, sorry for the trouble folks, I hope you guys don't hold this against our other players. The matter has been dealt with internally and you won't be hearing about dumb crap like this shitting up the TL boards again.
Thank you for the mature and appropriate response. I realize that the rest of your team had no control over it and will not hold it against them.
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As a team we decided to remove Dtank from management and the team altogether. The team does not need someone who creates a bad reputation. We are looking to create a fun and friendly community to practice at masters level.
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Although I was pissed should say BECAUSE i am pissed 
but yeah its good stuff like this comes out
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ROFL this just made my day.
really brings new meaning to the phrase "read the whole thread before you post" ^_^
at least it was handled properly by all parties involved.
i get the feeling that namchir didn't realize the gravity of someone of his status smurfing for another team, given that he was told that it was some random scrimmage he was playing in on behalf of a regular student. easily forgivable offense, especially in comparison to the stupidity that is dtank.
this totally belongs in the next issue of pony tales
you're really good at lying, a very useful talent toi have
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I'm glad this went from people bitching about energie letting us know, to a scum manager getting fired.
Shame on Dtank, and shame on people giving energie shit.
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On June 03 2011 15:34 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:32 Maelstrom.cobhc wrote:On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now. I don't think any respectable team would mind him exposing cheaters. Most teams don't want overly reactionary people on their team that they can't trust for legitimate and/or illegitimate things. The guy didn't get to play, so he goes all over the forums.
and the whole wikileaks thing would have been much better if they gave the info to the apropriate authorities? ..
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On June 04 2011 08:35 Tusk wrote:
I'm glad this went from people bitching about energie letting us know, to a scum manager getting fired.
Shame on Dtank, and shame on people giving energie shit.
<3
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Oh richman you silly goose
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Whistle blowers are always in the right, good call here to expose this unfair play.
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richman is a boss
dont really care about the OP tbh
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EDIT: It actually took me a while to write all this and while I was, apparently all the right actions were taken. I'm really glad that the community and its players step up and know how to take appropiate actions in dealing with this situation. Feel free to ignore pretty much everything under this line if you don't want to read it. Though I feel it has some pretty important points that certain people should read. I.E. Lumi
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On June 04 2011 04:53 Lumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 16:18 Wolf wrote:
Exposing things like this is bold, and needs to happen in order for ESPORTS to grow in a proper manner. Sorry Namhcir, you've been caught. Thought you were better than this. What's with the self-important condemnation / judgement? I thought you were better than that. How does it feel? Ideally, this community would be considerate enough to stop and question whether they lead perfect lives themselves, and then stfu over someone helping out a friend in a low-tier clan war. You may have been taking that event really seriously but knowing rich personally, and his skill level - I wouldn't be surprised if he was eating a sandwich and laughing on vent or something, talking about something irrelevant to SC2. If I were him, I may very well feel that that level of play is a joke. The guy is good. Everybody here sees "caught" and then acts like this is MLG instead of a no-name clan war where people may not be spurred to incorporate and act on the highest ethical considerations possible. There are bronze clan wars. And so what if this one wasn't? I'm just illustrating that something being a "clan war" isn't an automatic BFD that should make everybody stop and have a gandhi moment. So, really. If you make mistakes, or sometimes do things without having considered every possible thing and other party involved - (and you do) - then I'd suggest you stfu rather than continuing to embarass yourselves with your desperation to throw out impersonalized judgement and condemnation from your likewise impersonal thrones across the great wide internet. It's hypocritical to boot. Disregarding the image-projecting moral soldiers of esports forums that would respond stubbornly to this; How would you be acting or thinking about this person if you actually knew him, or were even his friend? Maybe a little different. And maybe for better reasons than a mere bias of loyalty. Maybe a little different because you actually knew anything about the people you were talking about Food for thought. Myself and many of my SC2 friends have known Rich since beta and we can all personally tell you that he's a really great guy. <3 you Rich!
Please for the love of God tell me that you being "friends" with Rich and saying that he's a "great" guy is not your ONLY defense? The guy chose to jump in as someone else and played in a match. Now regardless of whether or not it was a large event or not, Rich ended up agreeing to jumping in to play when he wasn't registered to play. Its the same exact thing as if I were to play on the online mlg qualifiers, and then asking a friend like select to jump in to win it for me.
And a no-namer event? You wouldn't be saying that if you were part of the event. Even if it WAS a small one, it was probably important to all those involved, and it was obviously important enough for the manager of OP's team to have to call in richman.
Remember, Savior and the whole scandal in sc1 was not just in MAJOR gaming events, but various smaller events as well, anywhere that there was monetary gain involved. Now if there was some kind of prize involved in this clan war, then that's even worse for richman's case.
You are possibly the dumbest person I've ever met and though you may have a really big heart in trying to defend Rich, in the end, the words: "He's a really great guy" is not going to make any change in the fact that he did what he did. So you're telling us that he was probably eating and laughing? Cool. So why was he doing it on an account he wasn't supposed to be on?
Richman had a choice to say no. I was asked to jump in for players during the cevo and esea seasons as well as other tournaments such as the newegg tourny. I declined because it was unfair to the player who might have spent the time and energy to look up your name, and study your demos.
I don't know you, and honestly I am going to try not to judge you anymore then I already have, but just because you add a smiley face to your post does not make it anymore hurtful. For example: You bring up terrrble points, attack Wolf because he's trying to defend the OP, and try to talk down to players who are trying to make e-sports a better community in general. You are an idiot.
See what I mean? Its still hurtful and annoying.
Finally, and this is probably the thing that pisses me off the most. You treat larger and smaller events differently and discriminate between the "better players" and "shitty" players? Are you fucking KIDDING me? I can almost guarantee you that you are not the best sc2 player in the world and will never be if you keep that idealogy. People play these "small" events in order to improve themselves, and I for one always try as hard in these events as I do in the other events. Come back to the forums after you've learn some respect for your fellow players. ALL of them, and not just people you've played with like richman.
Getting back to the main idea on this forums. Yes, a player who was known in the community got caught. There should be some kind of punishment for this. I thought you were better than to stoop this low too Richman. OP went out of his way and risked getting kicked off his current clan/team/organization inroder to expose this.
~auTo a.k.a. Wingless.
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On June 04 2011 08:19 FCGpanzer wrote:
In response to this issue our team FCG has removed DTank as our manager and as member of our team. I'm not going to pretend that our team is big shit and that we actually matter in the starcraft scene as we are a very unknown team. But this kind of crap that DTank pulled isn't excusable when not only did he get caught red handed in cheating in a friendly clan war, but came on here and denied it after the manger of All4One gaming said Richman admitted he played for us and there was a god damn screen shot showing that he actually did it.
So I would like to apologize for DTank's actions and assure everyone that people that are on our team are very upstanding decent players that don't pull stupid shit like this. But at this point the damage is done and I hope you guys don't think poorly of our players as they really don't deserve it and a few of us told DTank not to let Richman play for us in this clan war that doesn't matter outside of a friendly scrimmage.
DTank has been on the edge for awhile now on our team and we thought you know, he could maybe stop screwing up and do things he promised. But at this point it's pretty apparent that it's not going to happen so we are going to have to let him go.
Anyways, sorry for the trouble folks, I hope you guys don't hold this against our other players. The matter has been dealt with internally and you won't be hearing about dumb crap like this shitting up the TL boards again.
I think this is pretty important, and people should not just skip to the last page after only reading the OP.
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On June 03 2011 15:34 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:32 Maelstrom.cobhc wrote:On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now. I don't think any respectable team would mind him exposing cheaters. Most teams don't want overly reactionary people on their team that they can't trust for legitimate and/or illegitimate things. The guy didn't get to play, so he goes all over the forums.
The guy didn't get to play because his team preferred to cheat.
People are reading too much into this, there are several active SC2 pros who have had a history with cheating/exploiting/whatever in BW and are on top teams anyway.
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On June 04 2011 11:47 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:34 Torte de Lini wrote:On June 03 2011 15:32 Maelstrom.cobhc wrote:On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now. I don't think any respectable team would mind him exposing cheaters. Most teams don't want overly reactionary people on their team that they can't trust for legitimate and/or illegitimate things. The guy didn't get to play, so he goes all over the forums. The guy didn't get to play because his team preferred to cheat. People are reading too much into this, there are several active SC2 pros who have had a history with cheating/exploiting/whatever in BW and are on top teams anyway.
On June 04 2011 06:34 FCGCrazedRat wrote:
There are a couple things you folks here should know.
1: This was a decision made by the manager (Dtank) to put Namchir in during a casual clanwar. The rest of us (all the members of the FCG team including myself) had zero input in this decision and I actually was openly against it from the beginning (as were others on the team). Infact I argued with Dtank not to do this.
2: Dragging the entire team FCG through the mud (or attempting to) is essentially punishing a full group of players for the misdeeds of 1 person (their manager)
3: There is alot of discontent within FCG for having Dtank as our manager. Myself and others want a change of management. Dtank has not been working out as manager.
4: In conclusion, yes this was an underhanded thing that happened but please don't assume this reflects the integrity of team FCG as a whole, its members, and its attitude towards the competitive scene.
FCG has nothing to do with this. Read my quoted post for more information.
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After just spending ten minutes of my life actually wading through nine pages with posts by people who clearly have no lives and just want to get an reaction out of an OP and posts by people who have a certain set of standards...
Energie, you did the right thing by exposing the entire thing. Maybe not necessarily by naming NamchiR as a double tagger, but at that stage we had no idea whether Richman had any idea or not what was going on.
NamchiR, you've apologised for your actions, and that's good enough. You've explained yourself to the opposition team's manager (if I did read it correctly?), and he's also accepted the apology, so I don't think much of the blame should be put on Richman.
Dtank, you're a lying... you know, most insults are either racist or sexist, so I'm not going to even bother posting an insult. I don't know if you can change, but it's never acceptable to say "it was just practice". Therefore, is it alright for me to use aimbots and wallhacks in Counter-Strike Source in a friendly war? Of course not. Obviously aimbots and smurfing is a completely different thing, but same principle.
Oh, and the FCG clan members. It may be hard to rebuild your reputation from here on in, but I hope you guys can do it, because your posts seem sincere... I just hope they weren't from the same IP as Dtank was.
And that's all I really have to say in summarising this thread.
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On June 04 2011 13:06 KaRath_ wrote:
After just spending ten minutes of my life actually wading through nine pages with posts by people who clearly have no lives and just want to get an reaction out of an OP and posts by people who have a certain set of standards...
Energie, you did the right thing by exposing the entire thing. Maybe not necessarily by naming NamchiR as a double tagger, but at that stage we had no idea whether Richman had any idea or not what was going on.
NamchiR, you've apologised for your actions, and that's good enough. You've explained yourself to the opposition team's manager (if I did read it correctly?), and he's also accepted the apology, so I don't think much of the blame should be put on Richman.
Dtank, you're a lying... you know, most insults are either racist or sexist, so I'm not going to even bother posting an insult. I don't know if you can change, but it's never acceptable to say "it was just practice". Therefore, is it alright for me to use aimbots and wallhacks in Counter-Strike Source in a friendly war? Of course not. Obviously aimbots and smurfing is a completely different thing, but same principle.
Oh, and the FCG clan members. It may be hard to rebuild your reputation from here on in, but I hope you guys can do it, because your posts seem sincere... I just hope they weren't from the same IP as Dtank was.
And that's all I really have to say in summarising this thread.
You spent 10 minutes reading all of the posts only to say the same thing everyone else did???
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this isn't really a very serious offense, but if hes a contracted player its pretty bad.
and if it was for any kind of league then it is cheating. either way i say your justified in exposing this
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OP did exactly the right thing. Im a team manager and I would expect my honest/legit gamers to expose me if I did something shady or cheated. I would actually want gamers like this, who take integrity of the game seriously so I don't get how he "ruined his SC2 career" as some of u say.
The argument of "it was just practice it wasn't serious" then why cheat lol... that just makes it make less sense cuz it didn't even matter, not worth risking reputation to gain nothing.
Pretty bad to also lie about it and deny it afterward when it was so blatantly obvious... That pretty much shoots ur credibility. Usually once a cheater/liar, always a cheater/liar, cuz that's just how you are and it will come out again eventually, I hope that's not the case for you, but that's usually how it goes...
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You spent 5 seconds typing that as a response to that post?
Oh wait, so did I.
I feel like this isn't really a big deal, except for DTank's terrible judgement in claiming that NamchiR did not actually smurf for them when it was already proven with screenshots and admitted by NamchiR.
I can't see any reason why DTank would want to use a better player in an unofficial series, with no potential benefit and only the chance of something like this happening.
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On a side note, I'm looking for an active Starcraft II team to tryout for.
PM me.
XoXo
-Energie
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Good to see that this was resolved, but I'm really quite offended with this:
On June 03 2011 15:03 Torte de Lini wrote:I wonder how those sponsors feel about the terminology "Rape time" Edit: I wonder how those sponsors feel when the players of the team they're sponsoring is unsure who their sponsor is. 1. Never heard of FCG 2. I doubt the integrity of StarCraft and the competitive scene is immensely obliterated due to this. 3. Shaming and displaying someone publicly achieves nothing. Next time, contact the authorities if this isn't just a "for-fun" scrim and let them handle it.4. All4OneGaming should be notified. 5. Good luck in your endeavors in the StarCraft II competitive scene. 6. Your stance is understandably bias. 7. Insert other key actions that should have been done instead of talking about this publicly. 8. " FCG apparently has a sponsorship with SteelSeries," You're on their team and you don't know their sponsors? See above for edit. 9. Show nested quote +Although I was pissed that I didn't get to play (it was 11:30, I had waited 1.5 hours and I was getting replaced by a double tagger), I was determined to expose FCG and NamchiR's unfair practices. Show nested quote +I'm doing this not only because I'm pissed off they guaranteed me play time and took back their word, but because cheating in Starcraft II damages the overall integrity of the game and community. Well, as long as it is with good intentions and not due to clouded judgement and personal anger towards a small organization. Wait a second... Still, awesome site, looks really well-done! http://www.clanfcg.com/P.S: just to clarify, I'm not trivializing this event with my enumerations, I just don't support the way he's approaching it
Why on earth would you be against him publicly exposing somebody for cheating with proof, teamliquid is full of this; many big profile hackers were caught through this, including Testie (Sorry for mentioning it ), haypro, dino, as well as abusers like Yosh, or scan.
To say somebody shouldn't do the right thing is to support doing said wrong thing.
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On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now.
Only if those teams felt like cheating too -.-' There's nothing actually wrong with the OP exposing a cheater, if he indeed did that.
While the OP is clearly emotional, it's obviously important to expose cheaters. It's just a bit more professional if it's managed in a more objective and questioning manner, rather than in an accusatory fashion.
There's nothing wrong with him gathering evidence on the claim that a player might cheat.
Good for you, OP. Keep things honest.
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Anyone noticed dTank protected his friend by saying Autumn was just out for revenge and lying?
But of course, lying isn't that big of an accusation for him
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On June 04 2011 06:23 starcraft911 wrote:
Ringing in a scrim when you're not short on players and when you're not disclosing it to the other team and when you're going through the trouble of having someone else pose as one of your players is beyond shady and yet you defend it.
Is it a clan war or a scrim? It seems like scrim is being thrown around too much and it deflects things because in CS, using ringers in scrims was completely fair. Granted, the formats are different, but that's why I can't understand why it'd be called a scrimmage if it's a clan war.
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On June 04 2011 22:18 ABPID wrote:Anyone noticed dTank protected his friend by saying Autumn was just out for revenge and lying? But of course, lying isn't that big of an accusation for him
I think the best part of the whole thread was his post. There's something eternally amusing about watching someone dig himself into a hole; it was like watching Mr. Bean on an internet forum.
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It doesn't matter what was acceptable in CS, it's against the TOS to share accounts in SC2.
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On June 04 2011 23:23 Jopz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 22:18 ABPID wrote:Anyone noticed dTank protected his friend by saying Autumn was just out for revenge and lying? But of course, lying isn't that big of an accusation for him I think the best part of the whole thread was his post. There's something eternally amusing about watching someone dig himself into a hole; it was like watching Mr. Bean on an internet forum.
Yeah, DTank is exceptionally good at digging himself a hole. The only thing that's worse than this entire situation is how bad of a player he is.
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On June 04 2011 08:19 FCGpanzer wrote:
In response to this issue our team FCG has removed DTank as our manager and as member of our team. I'm not going to pretend that our team is big shit and that we actually matter in the starcraft scene as we are a very unknown team. But this kind of crap that DTank pulled isn't excusable when not only did he get caught red handed in cheating in a friendly clan war, but came on here and denied it after the manger of All4One gaming said Richman admitted he played for us and there was a god damn screen shot showing that he actually did it.
So I would like to apologize for DTank's actions and assure everyone that people that are on our team are very upstanding decent players that don't pull stupid shit like this. But at this point the damage is done and I hope you guys don't think poorly of our players as they really don't deserve it and a few of us told DTank not to let Richman play for us in this clan war that doesn't matter outside of a friendly scrimmage.
DTank has been on the edge for awhile now on our team and we thought you know, he could maybe stop screwing up and do things he promised. But at this point it's pretty apparent that it's not going to happen so we are going to have to let him go.
Anyways, sorry for the trouble folks, I hope you guys don't hold this against our other players. The matter has been dealt with internally and you won't be hearing about dumb crap like this shitting up the TL boards again.
After perusing this slight mess of a thread and getting to rofl at DTank's defense, I'd like to say HATS OFF to this^ post and the rest of the FCG team. Well played and intelligent. I like to see exposure like this that's well defined, and it's a shame people attacked the OP as much as they did when stuff like this should be pretty normal lol. I hope that this is a detriment to DTank alone and not the entire FCG team; the few other members who have spoken seem really level-headed and upset about the same situation as well.
OP is bold to go out on a limb like this, but I like it. Good luck to FCG and Autumn in the future.
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DTank is a bad person. A bad human being from what I'm reading here. I'm glad that FCG gave him the boot.
"losing to randoms" that kind of attitude... I can't even begin to express the /facepalm moment I'm having with words.
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He's been banned, the whole affair has been cleaned up n_________n yay!
Would like to hear more about FCG, not going to lie: this is the first time I'm hearing about them.
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wow this thread was brilliant
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On June 04 2011 04:53 Lumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 16:18 Wolf wrote:
Exposing things like this is bold, and needs to happen in order for ESPORTS to grow in a proper manner. Sorry Namhcir, you've been caught. Thought you were better than this. What's with the self-important condemnation / judgement? I thought you were better than that. How does it feel? Ideally, this community would be considerate enough to stop and question whether they lead perfect lives themselves, and then stfu over someone helping out a friend in a low-tier clan war. You may have been taking that event really seriously but knowing rich personally, and his skill level - I wouldn't be surprised if he was eating a sandwich and laughing on vent or something, talking about something irrelevant to SC2. If I were him, I may very well feel that that level of play is a joke. The guy is good. Everybody here sees "caught" and then acts like this is MLG instead of a no-name clan war where people may not be spurred to incorporate and act on the highest ethical considerations possible. There are bronze clan wars. And so what if this one wasn't? I'm just illustrating that something being a "clan war" isn't an automatic BFD that should make everybody stop and have a gandhi moment. So, really. If you make mistakes, or sometimes do things without having considered every possible thing and other party involved - (and you do) - then I'd suggest you stfu rather than continuing to embarass yourselves with your desperation to throw out impersonalized judgement and condemnation from your likewise impersonal thrones across the great wide internet. It's hypocritical to boot. Disregarding the image-projecting moral soldiers of esports forums that would respond stubbornly to this; How would you be acting or thinking about this person if you actually knew him, or were even his friend? Maybe a little different. And maybe for better reasons than a mere bias of loyalty. Maybe a little different because you actually knew anything about the people you were talking about Food for thought. Myself and many of my SC2 friends have known Rich since beta and we can all personally tell you that he's a really great guy. <3 you Rich!
What's with the elitist high horse attitude? So because this was a "no name clan war" makes the behavior okay? Or the fact that you're his friend means something? Your sheer arrogance makes me laugh.
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On June 04 2011 11:47 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:34 Torte de Lini wrote:On June 03 2011 15:32 Maelstrom.cobhc wrote:On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now. I don't think any respectable team would mind him exposing cheaters. Most teams don't want overly reactionary people on their team that they can't trust for legitimate and/or illegitimate things. The guy didn't get to play, so he goes all over the forums. The guy didn't get to play because his team preferred to cheat. People are reading too much into this, there are several active SC2 pros who have had a history with cheating/exploiting/whatever in BW and are on top teams anyway.
Yes but those players apologized and 'did their time' and some players like LastShadow have still yet to recover. TT1 is the exception, not the rule.
The TL community is pretty forgiving... much more forgiving than I am as an individual. I want cheaters heads on a pike, but I do believe that if people actually quit cheating they can be forgiven. It's really hard to forgive a guy who has been caught red handed and they stick to their denial guns as this guy has chosen to do.
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what annoys me the most about this whole thing isn't that dtank lied, it's that he didn't even bother reading the thread first. it's like he just assumes everybody is completely retarded and has no need to be careful in his lies
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I can't believe you guys are being critical of Energie. It really does not matter how he does thing as long as he's not morally corrupt which he clearly isn't. Kudos for exposing this shit, it's the only way to get rid of it and cheaters will persist as long as they can keep doing in silently. "Tell it to authorities instead of tl forum" what the hell? The spectators are the authorities!
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well, the biggest thing I took from this is that ONE is actually a pretty decent team. GL to those dudes
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Thank you so so much for contributing to TeamLiquid with this post, we will use all of our hearts to remember them and never clan war them again. You sir, are a true hero.
+ Show Spoiler +With all seriousness make or use a god damn thread for cheaters and hackers, and label them in the Thread of Shame. Problem solved, amirite or amirite?
Btw I do not even know why the hell you would include his real name without his permission in a thread.
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On June 05 2011 06:09 iTzAnglory wrote:Thank you so so much for contributing to TeamLiquid with this post, we will use all of our hearts to remember them and never clan war them again. You sir, are a true hero. + Show Spoiler +With all seriousness make or use a god damn thread for cheaters and hackers, and label them in the Thread of Shame. Problem solved, amirite or amirite? Btw I do not even know why the hell you would include his real name without his permission in a thread.
so OP should ask the guy hes exploiting for cheating for permission to use his real name?
i dont even...
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Ok, I'm sorry that you didn't get to play, but don't you feel that you're betraying your team by doing this? Not only are you divulging information to the public that they believed to be private, but you're defaming them. You really should have discussed your concerns with your team instead of completely disregarding their privacy and trust.
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On June 05 2011 08:18 Q(-_-Q wrote:
Ok, I'm sorry that you didn't get to play, but don't you feel that you're betraying your team by doing this? Not only are you divulging information to the public that they believed to be private, but you're defaming them. You really should have discussed your concerns with your team instead of completely disregarding their privacy and trust.
You should probably read the whole thread before posting.
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On June 05 2011 06:42 Caliber wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 06:09 iTzAnglory wrote:Thank you so so much for contributing to TeamLiquid with this post, we will use all of our hearts to remember them and never clan war them again. You sir, are a true hero. + Show Spoiler +With all seriousness make or use a god damn thread for cheaters and hackers, and label them in the Thread of Shame. Problem solved, amirite or amirite? Btw I do not even know why the hell you would include his real name without his permission in a thread. so OP should ask the guy hes exploiting for cheating for permission to use his real name? i dont even...
Cheating in a video game isn't illegal. It is merely against ToS of the specific tournament. As much as morale justice or any kind of it wants you to slander his name as much as possible, it's not like Namchir was accused of a federal offense. It's a video game -- releasing someone's name over a video game because someone cheated is... pretty shitty, regardless of how either side handles it, or how either side acts.
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threads like these are why i love teamliquid
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On June 05 2011 08:22 Flanagan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 06:42 Caliber wrote:On June 05 2011 06:09 iTzAnglory wrote:Thank you so so much for contributing to TeamLiquid with this post, we will use all of our hearts to remember them and never clan war them again. You sir, are a true hero. + Show Spoiler +With all seriousness make or use a god damn thread for cheaters and hackers, and label them in the Thread of Shame. Problem solved, amirite or amirite? Btw I do not even know why the hell you would include his real name without his permission in a thread. so OP should ask the guy hes exploiting for cheating for permission to use his real name? i dont even... Cheating in a video game isn't illegal. It is merely against ToS of the specific tournament. As much as morale justice or any kind of it wants you to slander his name as much as possible, it's not like Namchir was accused of a federal offense. It's a video game -- releasing someone's name over a video game because someone cheated is... pretty shitty, regardless of how either side handles it, or how either side acts.
dont do the crime if you dont want to face the consequences.
anyways, i doubt he cares his name is in the thread. probably good publicity
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On June 05 2011 08:22 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 08:18 Q(-_-Q wrote:
Ok, I'm sorry that you didn't get to play, but don't you feel that you're betraying your team by doing this? Not only are you divulging information to the public that they believed to be private, but you're defaming them. You really should have discussed your concerns with your team instead of completely disregarding their privacy and trust. You should probably read the whole thread before posting.
LOL, he is like that one guy that just comes into the middle of a conversation thinking he knows what he is talking about.
Edit: Uhh, just making sure, this is the same richman from teamliquid right?
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On June 05 2011 09:25 noobcakes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 08:22 Megaliskuu wrote:On June 05 2011 08:18 Q(-_-Q wrote:
Ok, I'm sorry that you didn't get to play, but don't you feel that you're betraying your team by doing this? Not only are you divulging information to the public that they believed to be private, but you're defaming them. You really should have discussed your concerns with your team instead of completely disregarding their privacy and trust. You should probably read the whole thread before posting. LOL, he is like that one guy that just comes into the middle of a conversation thinking he knows what he is talking about. Edit: Uhh, just making sure, this is the same richman from teamliquid right?
I think you're thinking about R1CH.
Richman is a player for ONE. His player ID is Namhcir.
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On June 03 2011 16:18 Wolf wrote:
Exposing things like this is bold, and needs to happen in order for ESPORTS to grow in a proper manner. Sorry Namhcir, you've been caught. Thought you were better than this.
This should be the end of the story. The individual that reported this has nothing to do with it.
Dick move FCG, dick move.
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props to op for having the balls to write this. you could of done a better op so people would not have bitch at ur for snitching but props and i think the fgd people or fgc people should delete their acc and buy new acc so they get rid of the shitty reputation they got now.
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On June 05 2011 10:35 desrow wrote:
props to op for having the balls to write this. you could of done a better op so people would not have bitch at ur for snitching but props and i think the fgd people or fgc people should delete their acc and buy new acc so they get rid of the shitty reputation they got now.
most of FCG people had nothing to do with this. from what i understand, it was only a few people (manager + guy who double tag) that knew about it. saying they should buy new accounts to get rid of their reputation is ignorant
someone came and made a good post apologizing on behalf of FCG and said that dtank was kicked.
not to mention, talking about buying new accounts because of bad reputation coming from you? out of all people.... le'sigh
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The problem has been resolved. To be clear, it was a friendly team scrimmage with no prize pool. The team was against the use of Namcihr. We lost the scrimmage 5-3, Namcihr went 1-1. The team members do not have an available name change, we would like a different name, but it simply isn't worth $60 a head. We have a good community of active players and are searching for more.
It would be appreciated if people would stop joining the team channel to insult my players.
If anyone has any questions about the team or about the incident, feel free to ask on here in a polite manner.
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Sounds like you are just trying to get back at them, this thread is pointless.
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I don't really want to add more fuel to the fire, but to be honest the whole team on Ventrilo at the time was laughing and supporting Namhcir's play. They didn't seem reluctant in playing him at all, and joked around with Namhcir after he joined the Ventrilo channel about how a (supposedly) Diamond Terran player could beat a Master level Zerg player.
I understand that the initial decision was made by dTank, but the posts made by other FCG members on this forum give people the impression that it was just 'one bad apple' that made the whole team look bad. In reality it was pretty much the whole team (around 7 players) that was cheering him on.
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Lol now you're just being an angsty dick.
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On June 05 2011 11:08 Energie wrote:
I don't really want to add more fuel to the fire, but to be honest the whole team on Ventrilo at the time was laughing and supporting Namhcir's play. They didn't seem reluctant in playing him at all, and joked around with Namhcir after he joined the Ventrilo channel about how a (supposedly) Diamond Terran player could beat a Master level Zerg player.
I understand that the initial decision was made by dTank, but the posts made by other FCG members on this forum give people the impression that it was just 'one bad apple' that made the whole team look bad. In reality it was pretty much the whole team (around 7 players) that was cheering him on.
DTank was the manager so he made the decision who played. Our core members who have been around awhile disagreed with his decision privately, we wanted our players to play, because there is really no point in having a person like Richman play for us, it was just a small clan scrimmage, it doesn't matter at all who wins honestly, the experience was more important for us than anything else and creating relationships with other Teams.
I'm not going to attempt to explain to you our mannerisms, but I will say this. We are a group of people who enjoy joking around and having fun, that doesn't mean we didn't disagree with DTank's decision.
Do not pretend you understand the people on our team to draw to some false conclusion, Everyone on our team was very frustrated at the fact that someone who actually doesn't do anything for our team was playing.
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This probably should not have been a public thread to begin with, and now it's developed into something that should absolutely be handled internal to the clan.
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