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On June 04 2011 08:19 FCGpanzer wrote:
In response to this issue our team FCG has removed DTank as our manager and as member of our team. I'm not going to pretend that our team is big shit and that we actually matter in the starcraft scene as we are a very unknown team. But this kind of crap that DTank pulled isn't excusable when not only did he get caught red handed in cheating in a friendly clan war, but came on here and denied it after the manger of All4One gaming said Richman admitted he played for us and there was a god damn screen shot showing that he actually did it.
So I would like to apologize for DTank's actions and assure everyone that people that are on our team are very upstanding decent players that don't pull stupid shit like this. But at this point the damage is done and I hope you guys don't think poorly of our players as they really don't deserve it and a few of us told DTank not to let Richman play for us in this clan war that doesn't matter outside of a friendly scrimmage.
DTank has been on the edge for awhile now on our team and we thought you know, he could maybe stop screwing up and do things he promised. But at this point it's pretty apparent that it's not going to happen so we are going to have to let him go.
Anyways, sorry for the trouble folks, I hope you guys don't hold this against our other players. The matter has been dealt with internally and you won't be hearing about dumb crap like this shitting up the TL boards again.
After perusing this slight mess of a thread and getting to rofl at DTank's defense, I'd like to say HATS OFF to this^ post and the rest of the FCG team. Well played and intelligent. I like to see exposure like this that's well defined, and it's a shame people attacked the OP as much as they did when stuff like this should be pretty normal lol. I hope that this is a detriment to DTank alone and not the entire FCG team; the few other members who have spoken seem really level-headed and upset about the same situation as well.
OP is bold to go out on a limb like this, but I like it. Good luck to FCG and Autumn in the future.
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DTank is a bad person. A bad human being from what I'm reading here. I'm glad that FCG gave him the boot.
"losing to randoms" that kind of attitude... I can't even begin to express the /facepalm moment I'm having with words.
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He's been banned, the whole affair has been cleaned up n_________n yay!
Would like to hear more about FCG, not going to lie: this is the first time I'm hearing about them.
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wow this thread was brilliant
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On June 04 2011 04:53 Lumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 16:18 Wolf wrote:
Exposing things like this is bold, and needs to happen in order for ESPORTS to grow in a proper manner. Sorry Namhcir, you've been caught. Thought you were better than this. What's with the self-important condemnation / judgement? I thought you were better than that. How does it feel? Ideally, this community would be considerate enough to stop and question whether they lead perfect lives themselves, and then stfu over someone helping out a friend in a low-tier clan war. You may have been taking that event really seriously but knowing rich personally, and his skill level - I wouldn't be surprised if he was eating a sandwich and laughing on vent or something, talking about something irrelevant to SC2. If I were him, I may very well feel that that level of play is a joke. The guy is good. Everybody here sees "caught" and then acts like this is MLG instead of a no-name clan war where people may not be spurred to incorporate and act on the highest ethical considerations possible. There are bronze clan wars. And so what if this one wasn't? I'm just illustrating that something being a "clan war" isn't an automatic BFD that should make everybody stop and have a gandhi moment. So, really. If you make mistakes, or sometimes do things without having considered every possible thing and other party involved - (and you do) - then I'd suggest you stfu rather than continuing to embarass yourselves with your desperation to throw out impersonalized judgement and condemnation from your likewise impersonal thrones across the great wide internet. It's hypocritical to boot. Disregarding the image-projecting moral soldiers of esports forums that would respond stubbornly to this; How would you be acting or thinking about this person if you actually knew him, or were even his friend? Maybe a little different. And maybe for better reasons than a mere bias of loyalty. Maybe a little different because you actually knew anything about the people you were talking about  Food for thought. Myself and many of my SC2 friends have known Rich since beta and we can all personally tell you that he's a really great guy. <3 you Rich!
What's with the elitist high horse attitude? So because this was a "no name clan war" makes the behavior okay? Or the fact that you're his friend means something? Your sheer arrogance makes me laugh.
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On June 04 2011 11:47 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:34 Torte de Lini wrote:On June 03 2011 15:32 Maelstrom.cobhc wrote:On June 03 2011 15:28 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 03 2011 15:24 Energie wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I pissed, he still double tagged and I'm simply getting this out so that:
1) People will become more observant of cheating, especially in these respective teams.
2) Sponsors will become more aware of the type of teams they sponsor.
3) Action will be taken against cheaters.
I'm not sure what league this was for, but regardless there shouldn't be any cheating period. I joined this team because I thought it was respectable, but after lying to me, wasting my time, and cheating, I gladly took action. At the same time you also scrapped your entire sc2 career. You worked really hard to get to a level where teams will pick you up. All that work is gone now. I don't think any respectable team would mind him exposing cheaters. Most teams don't want overly reactionary people on their team that they can't trust for legitimate and/or illegitimate things. The guy didn't get to play, so he goes all over the forums. The guy didn't get to play because his team preferred to cheat. People are reading too much into this, there are several active SC2 pros who have had a history with cheating/exploiting/whatever in BW and are on top teams anyway.
Yes but those players apologized and 'did their time' and some players like LastShadow have still yet to recover. TT1 is the exception, not the rule.
The TL community is pretty forgiving... much more forgiving than I am as an individual. I want cheaters heads on a pike, but I do believe that if people actually quit cheating they can be forgiven. It's really hard to forgive a guy who has been caught red handed and they stick to their denial guns as this guy has chosen to do.
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what annoys me the most about this whole thing isn't that dtank lied, it's that he didn't even bother reading the thread first. it's like he just assumes everybody is completely retarded and has no need to be careful in his lies
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I can't believe you guys are being critical of Energie. It really does not matter how he does thing as long as he's not morally corrupt which he clearly isn't. Kudos for exposing this shit, it's the only way to get rid of it and cheaters will persist as long as they can keep doing in silently. "Tell it to authorities instead of tl forum" what the hell? The spectators are the authorities!
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well, the biggest thing I took from this is that ONE is actually a pretty decent team. GL to those dudes
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Thank you so so much for contributing to TeamLiquid with this post, we will use all of our hearts to remember them and never clan war them again. You sir, are a true hero.
+ Show Spoiler +With all seriousness make or use a god damn thread for cheaters and hackers, and label them in the Thread of Shame. Problem solved, amirite or amirite?
Btw I do not even know why the hell you would include his real name without his permission in a thread.
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On June 05 2011 06:09 iTzAnglory wrote:Thank you so so much for contributing to TeamLiquid with this post, we will use all of our hearts to remember them and never clan war them again. You sir, are a true hero. + Show Spoiler +With all seriousness make or use a god damn thread for cheaters and hackers, and label them in the Thread of Shame. Problem solved, amirite or amirite? Btw I do not even know why the hell you would include his real name without his permission in a thread.
so OP should ask the guy hes exploiting for cheating for permission to use his real name?
i dont even...
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Ok, I'm sorry that you didn't get to play, but don't you feel that you're betraying your team by doing this? Not only are you divulging information to the public that they believed to be private, but you're defaming them. You really should have discussed your concerns with your team instead of completely disregarding their privacy and trust.
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On June 05 2011 08:18 Q(-_-Q wrote:
Ok, I'm sorry that you didn't get to play, but don't you feel that you're betraying your team by doing this? Not only are you divulging information to the public that they believed to be private, but you're defaming them. You really should have discussed your concerns with your team instead of completely disregarding their privacy and trust.
You should probably read the whole thread before posting.
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On June 05 2011 06:42 Caliber wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 06:09 iTzAnglory wrote:Thank you so so much for contributing to TeamLiquid with this post, we will use all of our hearts to remember them and never clan war them again. You sir, are a true hero. + Show Spoiler +With all seriousness make or use a god damn thread for cheaters and hackers, and label them in the Thread of Shame. Problem solved, amirite or amirite? Btw I do not even know why the hell you would include his real name without his permission in a thread. so OP should ask the guy hes exploiting for cheating for permission to use his real name? i dont even...
Cheating in a video game isn't illegal. It is merely against ToS of the specific tournament. As much as morale justice or any kind of it wants you to slander his name as much as possible, it's not like Namchir was accused of a federal offense. It's a video game -- releasing someone's name over a video game because someone cheated is... pretty shitty, regardless of how either side handles it, or how either side acts.
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threads like these are why i love teamliquid
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On June 05 2011 08:22 Flanagan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 06:42 Caliber wrote:On June 05 2011 06:09 iTzAnglory wrote:Thank you so so much for contributing to TeamLiquid with this post, we will use all of our hearts to remember them and never clan war them again. You sir, are a true hero. + Show Spoiler +With all seriousness make or use a god damn thread for cheaters and hackers, and label them in the Thread of Shame. Problem solved, amirite or amirite? Btw I do not even know why the hell you would include his real name without his permission in a thread. so OP should ask the guy hes exploiting for cheating for permission to use his real name? i dont even... Cheating in a video game isn't illegal. It is merely against ToS of the specific tournament. As much as morale justice or any kind of it wants you to slander his name as much as possible, it's not like Namchir was accused of a federal offense. It's a video game -- releasing someone's name over a video game because someone cheated is... pretty shitty, regardless of how either side handles it, or how either side acts.
dont do the crime if you dont want to face the consequences.
anyways, i doubt he cares his name is in the thread. probably good publicity
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On June 05 2011 08:22 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 08:18 Q(-_-Q wrote:
Ok, I'm sorry that you didn't get to play, but don't you feel that you're betraying your team by doing this? Not only are you divulging information to the public that they believed to be private, but you're defaming them. You really should have discussed your concerns with your team instead of completely disregarding their privacy and trust. You should probably read the whole thread before posting.
LOL, he is like that one guy that just comes into the middle of a conversation thinking he knows what he is talking about.
Edit: Uhh, just making sure, this is the same richman from teamliquid right?
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On June 05 2011 09:25 noobcakes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 08:22 Megaliskuu wrote:On June 05 2011 08:18 Q(-_-Q wrote:
Ok, I'm sorry that you didn't get to play, but don't you feel that you're betraying your team by doing this? Not only are you divulging information to the public that they believed to be private, but you're defaming them. You really should have discussed your concerns with your team instead of completely disregarding their privacy and trust. You should probably read the whole thread before posting. LOL, he is like that one guy that just comes into the middle of a conversation thinking he knows what he is talking about. Edit: Uhh, just making sure, this is the same richman from teamliquid right?
I think you're thinking about R1CH.
Richman is a player for ONE. His player ID is Namhcir.
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On June 03 2011 16:18 Wolf wrote:
Exposing things like this is bold, and needs to happen in order for ESPORTS to grow in a proper manner. Sorry Namhcir, you've been caught. Thought you were better than this.
This should be the end of the story. The individual that reported this has nothing to do with it.
Dick move FCG, dick move.
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