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On May 11 2012 17:47 bonedriven wrote:When a pretty girl says to you:" I'm not pretty.  " What's the best response?
Usually you'll want to jokingly tease her by answering sarcastically with a smile. What you say doesn't matter nearly as much as how you say it, but here are some examples:
"Not when you're fishing for compliments." *smile innocently*
"Relax, even ugly chicks find boyfriends." *give her a mock consolation kiss on the forehead*
"I've got good news and bad news. The bad news is, I can't disagree with you. The good news is, if you switch to Geico you can save 15% or more on your car insurance." *keep a straight face until she laughs*
"I dunno, let me see." *twirl her around and spank her ass* "Not bad from behind!"
"Yeah, you're hideous." *put your hand on her lower back, and whisper the next part in her ear* "I can't stand to be seen with you." *look her in the eyes with a grin* "You're just so ugly." *tilt her chin up and kiss her*
The real issue to be concerned about is why she's saying that to you in the first place. If it's a shit test to see if you're beta enough to reassure her, then you can pass it with flying colors, but sometimes it's an indicator of disinterest (which means you're doing something wrong beforehand) or she's demonstrating low self-esteem (which is a can of worms in itself).
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On May 11 2012 19:16 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 19:13 Geosensation wrote:
You know what's really awesome? Not having to wear a condom and not worrying about getting an STD. You better hope your gf doesn't bump into me haha! I don't wear condom some times. Its called get the girl really into you and then have them do an STD test. Duh!
I think one douchebag is enough for her so I'm not too worried!
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On May 11 2012 19:45 sunprince wrote:
"I've got good news and bad news. The bad news is, I can't disagree with you. The good news is, if you switch to Geico you can save 15% or more on your car insurance." *keep a straight face until she laughs*.
This is the worst line in the history of mankind, if it works and makes them laugh...god have mercy soul. (Not talking about pickup, just imagining how I would react to it if someone said it to me)
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On May 11 2012 20:25 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 19:45 sunprince wrote:
"I've got good news and bad news. The bad news is, I can't disagree with you. The good news is, if you switch to Geico you can save 15% or more on your car insurance." *keep a straight face until she laughs*. This is the worst line in the history of mankind, if it works and makes them laugh...god have mercy soul. (Not talking about pickup, just imagining how I would react to it if someone said it to me)
This line only works if you've lived in America and therefore been exposed to Geico commercials for years.
Examples:
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I've been watching NFL for 3 years so I've seen a bunch of geico adverts, and it's still the shittest most unoriginal waste of time waste of air pointless piece of unimaginative crap joke I've ever heard.
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On May 11 2012 19:13 Geosensation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 16:08 squattincassanova wrote:On May 11 2012 14:57 Geosensation wrote:On May 11 2012 06:41 squattincassanova wrote:On May 11 2012 03:15 SeXyBaCk wrote:On May 10 2012 14:12 squattincassanova wrote:
Made out with half. SNLed the blonde next to my cop outfit. The one with the wedding band (left ring finger)? ... true playah! Yeah, I'm going to Hell..... Funny thing was, I didn't even realize it till 30 minutes later after we were making out. I was shocked when I found out but she was giving way too much IOIs. I just kept going I guess. She kept complaining how her husband is never there and is over seas. If it wasn't for me, it would have been some other guy. I have no faith in women anymore. So many cheat. Maybe your opinion of women is so low because the ones you get with are whores and thus the willingness to get with a stranger they just met... Faithful women who aren't cheaters probably don't out looking to get slammed by random dudes. Why do I get the feeling that you are judgmental and that you don't really have any women in your life? I'm in an almost 5 year relationship, and yes I'm judgmental. People come and talk shit in this thread because it always seems to pop up and I generally like to check out threads that are up on general. Someone earlier commented how you are the one bumping it every day so it seems you are bringing this on yourself, so you shouldn't really complain. You know what's really awesome? Not having to wear a condom and not worrying about getting an STD.
From my experience with sex with women who are "in a relationship" those "relationships" are usually over before you land in bed with her. It's the whole story around "Yeah, we're still together but I'm not so sure anymore." ... Going for those girls is no big deal imo. Now, specifically gaming committed girls just because you can over weeks and weeks if you have to (while definitly doable with positive results) is something I find kinda lame.
There are enough single girls out there, no need to actively help destroy a healthy relationship. On the other hand though, you'd probably be surprised how easy it is to "convince" a "faithful women who isn't a cheater" that she's not into her relationship anymore.
But, yeah. The whole "IMA RIDE HER WITHOUT CONDOM"-stories don't really belong into a pickup thread either imo. Learn some damn responsibility.
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This is why nerds dont get chicks.
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On May 11 2012 19:45 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 17:47 bonedriven wrote:When a pretty girl says to you:" I'm not pretty. " What's the best response? Usually you'll want to jokingly tease her by answering sarcastically with a smile. What you say doesn't matter nearly as much as how you say it, but here are some examples:
I have just done the opposite of all your suggestions. I gave the compliment she wanted. Will see the result.
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Yeah um...
Just tell the truth? If you're thinking no... try locating your spine... it's supposed to be somewhere above your scrawny ass. When you find it, try and straighten it out, the locate your balls and try and be a man for once. At a certain point you are supposed to grow up and stop playing mind games, become an adult. Yes, women sometimes want appraisal and want to be pampered, physically or just their ego. Your ego needs rubbing too at times. Just give it to them if you care for them.
If you're a great guy it doesn't matter if you pass or fail these so called shittest. I couldn't identify one if it smacked me in the face. I just say what I want/feel. Again, if you've got enough going for you a woman is not going to scratch you off her list of potential lovers/sex partners cause you gave the wrong answer. But if you spend 14 seconds thinking about some random question and get all nervous about it...or come across as totally aloof and fake... she might very well just put you in the creep bin.
As for women who cheat...I'm better than that. Let them sort out their business first if they want to hook up. Not gonna invest in someone who isn't mature enough to make end a relationship when it's run it's course. It's disrepectful to the other person and the person cheating is disrepecting themself as well. Just comes down to am I trashy? or do I have a bit of class? Decide for yourself, but really how good is a drunk fueled one-night-stand? It's often clumsy, with somewhat awkward afters and not really as rewarded as sex with someone you have a real connection with.
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On May 11 2012 22:44 NagAfightinG wrote:
This is why nerds dont get chicks.
Every day im hustlin...
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Trolling Pick Up Coaches is pretty fun
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On May 12 2012 01:51 SeXyBaCk wrote:
Just tell the truth? If you're thinking no... try locating your spine... it's supposed to be somewhere above your scrawny ass. When you find it, try and straighten it out, the locate your balls and try and be a man for once. At a certain point you are supposed to grow up and stop playing mind games, become an adult. Yes, women sometimes want appraisal and want to be pampered, physically or just their ego. Your ego needs rubbing too at times. Just give it to them if you care for them.
It's not a matter of answering truthfully or not. Some statements and questions aren't meant seriously, and if you try to just give a straight answer to everything you come off as autistic or Dwight Schrute. Simply put, not every question is meant to be taken literally.
On May 12 2012 01:51 SeXyBaCk wrote:
If you're a great guy it doesn't matter if you pass or fail these so called shittest. I couldn't identify one if it smacked me in the face. I just say what I want/feel. Again, if you've got enough going for you a woman is not going to scratch you off her list of potential lovers/sex partners cause you gave the wrong answer. But if you spend 14 seconds thinking about some random question and get all nervous about it...or come across as totally aloof and fake... she might very well just put you in the creep bin.
"If you're a great Starcraft player then it doesn't matter if you understand build orders. I couldn't identify build orders if they smacked me in the face, I just build what I feel like. If you're good enough it doesn't matter if you don't understand build orders. But if you spend 14 seconds thinking about what comes next in the build order and get all nervous about it, or not understand why you're building stuff, you might very well just lose."
Do you see why your answer is completely missing the point of studying build orders?
On May 12 2012 01:51 SeXyBaCk wrote:
As for women who cheat...I'm better than that. Let them sort out their business first if they want to hook up. Not gonna invest in someone who isn't mature enough to make end a relationship when it's run it's course. It's disrepectful to the other person and the person cheating is disrepecting themself as well. Just comes down to am I trashy? or do I have a bit of class? Decide for yourself, but really how good is a drunk fueled one-night-stand? It's often clumsy, with somewhat awkward afters and not really as rewarded as sex with someone you have a real connection with.
Your ridiculous assumptions make your moralizing conservative bullshit obvious.
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Blimey, you made such a peach effort quoting me... have a jelly bean? I feel I need to return the favour...
On May 12 2012 07:51 sunprince wrote:It's not a matter of answering truthfully or not. Some statements and questions aren't meant seriously, and if you try to just give a straight answer to everything you come off as autistic or Dwight Schrute. Simply put, not every question is meant to be taken literally.
So what you're saying is there really is something called sense of humour? People really have it? Sheesh, I would have never known. Sigh. I wasn't aware I was posting to a bunch of autistic little boys here. My point was that if you're comfortable enough in your own skin and possess apt social skills you needn't worry about what to answer to some playful question. You just play along. Whatever, it's really not important.
On May 12 2012 07:51 sunprince wrote:
"If you're a great Starcraft player then it doesn't matter if you understand build orders. I couldn't identify build orders if they smacked me in the face, I just build what I feel like. If you're good enough it doesn't matter if you don't understand build orders. But if you spend 14 seconds thinking about what comes next in the build order and get all nervous about it, or not understand why you're building stuff, you might very well just lose."
Do you see why your answer is completely missing the point of studying build orders?
Yes, I do see how my answer completely misses the point in regard to build orders, then again I wasn't aware I was discussing a video game. I guess I got a little confuddled there eh? ... on the other hand... I don't think comparing social interaction to a video game really works. Why? Well, being good at video games and being a social butterfly is rather mutually exclusive. So come again? What does this have to do with starcraft build orders? Is what you're saying I can't be an attractive guy without going through your little neg-push-pull-attraction-qualify-seduction routine? Maybe that is what you're saying, in which case all I have for you is a *facepalm*. n any case I think you need to load up another map and start over explaining your point, but try to do it without mentioning build orders this time.
Look, what I was saying was... don't get caught up over details of a single conversation. By the time you have time to analyse it, it's long gone, let it go. Go out, have fun, do exciting stuff, be someone, do what Squat does, go to comedy classes if you really lack any sense of humour, that's actually doing something right? Analysing tidbits of a conversation in real time or hindsight is simply neurotic. What's more it's UNMANLY. Real men don't worry about shittests. In PUA terms "that's beta behaviour". Learn to let stuff go. It's a fragment in time, you're a great guy, she's flirting with you, proceed. There's no right or wrong answer. If you're sweating over this the problem is you don't have enough experience in human interactions, if this is the case, don't sit at home tryng to think of an answer, go out and be around people. You can't learn to communicate without communicating.
On May 12 2012 07:51 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 01:51 SeXyBaCk wrote:
As for women who cheat...I'm better than that. Let them sort out their business first if they want to hook up. Not gonna invest in someone who isn't mature enough to make end a relationship when it's run it's course. It's disrepectful to the other person and the person cheating is disrepecting themself as well. Just comes down to am I trashy? or do I have a bit of class? Decide for yourself, but really how good is a drunk fueled one-night-stand? It's often clumsy, with somewhat awkward afters and not really as rewarded as sex with someone you have a real connection with. Your ridiculous assumptions make your moralizing conservative bullshit obvious.
Nope, you just don't get it. I'm not moralising or judging others. I don't give a rats ass what others do, I'm the internet generation, remember? I only care about what I do. Me, Me, Me. I'm talking about myself. It amounts to having some goddamn pride and self respect for myself. Clearly, by not comprehending this you demonstrate you are lacking in both Sunprince. I don't need to be someone's fling or secret. A woman wants to be with me, she needs to clear up her act first. Why? Well, for one, I have a reputation to protect, two, I'm not into women who do that, I don't want it done to me, it illustrates a weakness of character which I don't find remotely appealing. Why can I sit here saying this? I've had enough casual sex to know it's not worth bending backwards over. Opportunities come and go, water off my back.
Then again, if you're desperate for tail I suppose you have do what you have to do to get laid right? That's not what I'm about though. What's making you cry bullshit moralist blabla here is your own conscience bemoaning your lack of backbone, not my comments. Try and come to terms with that. I hope you enjoyed the quotes, feel free to quote me liberally in future.
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On May 12 2012 16:40 SeXyBaCk wrote:Blimey, you made such a peach effort quoting me... have a jelly bean? I feel I need to return the favour... Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 07:51 sunprince wrote:It's not a matter of answering truthfully or not. Some statements and questions aren't meant seriously, and if you try to just give a straight answer to everything you come off as autistic or Dwight Schrute. Simply put, not every question is meant to be taken literally. So what you're saying is there really is something called sense of humour? People really have it? Sheesh, I would have never known. Sigh. I wasn't aware I was posting to a bunch of autistic little boys. My point was that if you're comfortable enough in your own skin and possess apt social skills you needn't worry about what to answer to some playful question. You just play along. Whatever, it's really not important. Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 07:51 sunprince wrote:
"If you're a great Starcraft player then it doesn't matter if you understand build orders. I couldn't identify build orders if they smacked me in the face, I just build what I feel like. If you're good enough it doesn't matter if you don't understand build orders. But if you spend 14 seconds thinking about what comes next in the build order and get all nervous about it, or not understand why you're building stuff, you might very well just lose."
Do you see why your answer is completely missing the point of studying build orders?
Yes, I do see how my answer completely misses the point in regard to build orders, then again I wasn't aware I was discussing a video game. I guess I got a little confuddled there eh? ... on the other hand... I don't think comparing social interaction to a video game really works. Why? Well, being good at video games and being a social butterfly is rather mutually exclusive. So come again? What does this have to do with starcraft build orders? Is what you're saying I can't be an attractive guy without going through your little neg-push-pull-attraction-qualify-seduction routine? Maybe that is what you're saying, in which case all I have for you is a *facepalm*. n any case I think you need to load up another map and start over explaining your point, but try to do it without mentioning build orders this time. Look, what I was saying was... don't get caught up over details of a single conversation. By the time you have time to analyse it, it's long gone, let it go. Go out, have fun, do exciting stuff, be someone, do what Squat does, go to comedy classes if you really lack any sense of humour, that's actually doing something right? Analysing tidbits of a conversation in real time or hindsight is simply neurotic. What's more it's UNMANLY. Real men don't worry about shittests. In PUA terms "that's beta behaviour". Learn to let stuff go. It's a fragment in time, you're a great guy, she's flirting with you, proceed. There's no right or wrong answer. If you're sweating over this the problem is you don't have enough experience in human interactions, if this is the case, don't sit at home tryng to think of an answer, go out and be around people. You can't learn to communicate without communicating.Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 07:51 sunprince wrote:On May 12 2012 01:51 SeXyBaCk wrote:
As for women who cheat...I'm better than that. Let them sort out their business first if they want to hook up. Not gonna invest in someone who isn't mature enough to make end a relationship when it's run it's course. It's disrepectful to the other person and the person cheating is disrepecting themself as well. Just comes down to am I trashy? or do I have a bit of class? Decide for yourself, but really how good is a drunk fueled one-night-stand? It's often clumsy, with somewhat awkward afters and not really as rewarded as sex with someone you have a real connection with. Your ridiculous assumptions make your moralizing conservative bullshit obvious. Nope, you just don't get it. I'm not moralising or judging others. I don't give a rats ass what others do, I'm the internet generation, remember? I only care about what I do. Me, Me, Me. I'm talking about myself. It amounts to having some goddamn pride and self respect for myself. Clearly, by not comprehending this you demonstrate you are lacking in both Sunprince. I don't need to be someone's fling or secret. A woman wants to be with me, she needs to clear up her act first. Why? Well, for one, I have a reputation to protect, two, I'm not into women who do that, I don't want it done to me, it illustrates a weakness of character which I don't find remotely appealing. Why can I sit here saying this? I've had enough casual sex to know it's not worth bending backwards over. Opportunities come and go, water off my back. Then again, if you're desperate for tail I suppose you have do what you have to do to get laid right? That's not what I'm about though. What's making you cry bullshit moralist blabla here is your own conscience bemoaning your lack of backbone, not my comments. Try and come to terms with that. I hope you enjoyed the quotes, feel free to quote me liberally in future.
You're completely missing the fact that this 'advice' you've just given will not help a lot of the people that are unsuccessful with girls. Just because you find it easier than most to attract girls does not mean everyone else does. Yes, some people need more guidance than simply 'be manly and be around people'. What's much more useful to a lot of people is deeply analysing social interactions to work out flaws in their game.
You have to understand that a lot of people trying to learn this game thing are NOT comfortable in their own skin, and it take sooo much work for them to even begin to know what that means.
You're only seeing pickup from your very narrow viewpoint.
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On May 12 2012 17:01 Wohmfg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 16:40 SeXyBaCk wrote:Blimey, you made such a peach effort quoting me... have a jelly bean? I feel I need to return the favour... On May 12 2012 07:51 sunprince wrote:It's not a matter of answering truthfully or not. Some statements and questions aren't meant seriously, and if you try to just give a straight answer to everything you come off as autistic or Dwight Schrute. Simply put, not every question is meant to be taken literally. So what you're saying is there really is something called sense of humour? People really have it? Sheesh, I would have never known. Sigh. I wasn't aware I was posting to a bunch of autistic little boys. My point was that if you're comfortable enough in your own skin and possess apt social skills you needn't worry about what to answer to some playful question. You just play along. Whatever, it's really not important. On May 12 2012 07:51 sunprince wrote:
"If you're a great Starcraft player then it doesn't matter if you understand build orders. I couldn't identify build orders if they smacked me in the face, I just build what I feel like. If you're good enough it doesn't matter if you don't understand build orders. But if you spend 14 seconds thinking about what comes next in the build order and get all nervous about it, or not understand why you're building stuff, you might very well just lose."
Do you see why your answer is completely missing the point of studying build orders?
Yes, I do see how my answer completely misses the point in regard to build orders, then again I wasn't aware I was discussing a video game. I guess I got a little confuddled there eh? ... on the other hand... I don't think comparing social interaction to a video game really works. Why? Well, being good at video games and being a social butterfly is rather mutually exclusive. So come again? What does this have to do with starcraft build orders? Is what you're saying I can't be an attractive guy without going through your little neg-push-pull-attraction-qualify-seduction routine? Maybe that is what you're saying, in which case all I have for you is a *facepalm*. n any case I think you need to load up another map and start over explaining your point, but try to do it without mentioning build orders this time. Look, what I was saying was... don't get caught up over details of a single conversation. By the time you have time to analyse it, it's long gone, let it go. Go out, have fun, do exciting stuff, be someone, do what Squat does, go to comedy classes if you really lack any sense of humour, that's actually doing something right? Analysing tidbits of a conversation in real time or hindsight is simply neurotic. What's more it's UNMANLY. Real men don't worry about shittests. In PUA terms "that's beta behaviour". Learn to let stuff go. It's a fragment in time, you're a great guy, she's flirting with you, proceed. There's no right or wrong answer. If you're sweating over this the problem is you don't have enough experience in human interactions, if this is the case, don't sit at home tryng to think of an answer, go out and be around people. You can't learn to communicate without communicating.On May 12 2012 07:51 sunprince wrote:On May 12 2012 01:51 SeXyBaCk wrote:
As for women who cheat...I'm better than that. Let them sort out their business first if they want to hook up. Not gonna invest in someone who isn't mature enough to make end a relationship when it's run it's course. It's disrepectful to the other person and the person cheating is disrepecting themself as well. Just comes down to am I trashy? or do I have a bit of class? Decide for yourself, but really how good is a drunk fueled one-night-stand? It's often clumsy, with somewhat awkward afters and not really as rewarded as sex with someone you have a real connection with. Your ridiculous assumptions make your moralizing conservative bullshit obvious. Nope, you just don't get it. I'm not moralising or judging others. I don't give a rats ass what others do, I'm the internet generation, remember? I only care about what I do. Me, Me, Me. I'm talking about myself. It amounts to having some goddamn pride and self respect for myself. Clearly, by not comprehending this you demonstrate you are lacking in both Sunprince. I don't need to be someone's fling or secret. A woman wants to be with me, she needs to clear up her act first. Why? Well, for one, I have a reputation to protect, two, I'm not into women who do that, I don't want it done to me, it illustrates a weakness of character which I don't find remotely appealing. Why can I sit here saying this? I've had enough casual sex to know it's not worth bending backwards over. Opportunities come and go, water off my back. Then again, if you're desperate for tail I suppose you have do what you have to do to get laid right? That's not what I'm about though. What's making you cry bullshit moralist blabla here is your own conscience bemoaning your lack of backbone, not my comments. Try and come to terms with that. I hope you enjoyed the quotes, feel free to quote me liberally in future. You're completely missing the fact that this 'advice' you've just given will not help a lot of the people that are unsuccessful with girls. Just because you find it easier than most to attract girls does not mean everyone else does. Yes, some people need more guidance than simply 'be manly and be around people'. What's much more useful to a lot of people is deeply analysing social interactions to work out flaws in their game. You have to understand that a lot of people trying to learn this game thing are NOT comfortable in their own skin, and it take sooo much work for them to even begin to know what that means. You're only seeing pickup from your very narrow viewpoint.
Shouldn't they be starting with the obvious? Accept and be proud of oneself before they work on picking up girls. Could even work on that concurrently but that should be the number one priority. Once you are comfortable in your own skin, start expanding into other areas of your life, study/social/hobbies and the like.
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The advice given remains the same: Go out. Do stuff. Be social. Join clubs. Call old school friends. Travel, always easier to make new friends when on holiday. Meet people off meetup.com or off TL even or any other social group if you don't have any friends right now. Network through your work or school. Join a sports club a footy team. Work on your appearance, both style and body. Live a healthy lifestyle. Exercise/hit the gym. Simply put: Become someone you would consider a cool guy. At that point you will find it incredibly easy to start liking and loving yourself (which happens to be attractive to others). Get out there and you will meet women, once you interact with them you will get to know how they are. It's way easier to meet and date women from a social circle you're in that grabbing one off the street doing 500 cold approaches. Going out strictly to pick up women is not going to fix who you are and the discontent/self loathing that you have going on for yourself. Just look at this PUA guys who have been doing it for years, most of them have attempted suicide because they're papering over the cracks. Hell, I wouldn't feel so hot about myself if I didn't have a proper job and spent all my time chasing women either.
Overthinking and overanalysing breeds awkwardness. If you feel your social interactions are flawed, grab a good friend and make them observe your interactions and ask them for their honest opinion. If you have serious social anxiety you are better off seeking the help of a psychiatrist or psychologist for behaviour therapy than basking in sympathy of your peers on the i-net. It's a common fallacy: talking about something just facilitates it's acceptance, it doesn't solve an actual issue. People waste years of their life discussing pick up on the internet before even going out and smiling at one single lady. Oh wow, smiling actually works wonders. This pickup stuff must be the shit.
What I do appreciate is that nerdy guys want a manual on women. "Press this this and that button, spin her round and the panties will come right off. " That is what all the PUA schools are selling essentially, in various degrees of sophistication: an academic approach to dating/romance. The problem is your academic approach to relationships is probably what is keeping you from being attractive to women in first place. Being/becoming comfortable in your skin and essentially attracing women is an emotional process. I totally see it, it's way harder to convey that concept to guys than talking about "demonstrating higher value" or "set false time constraints". I'm finding it hard to explain it here. But at the end of the day what needs to happen is you need to locate your emotions underneath the pile of rational thought processes and let them find a way to express themselves. That is when you become someone women take notice of beyond the mere exterior. It's a mindset thing. Attractive lifestyle and mindset, those are the ingredients.
One final point... I feel that how the initial attraction works that women either feel or don't feel for you is often misunderstood by men. For us guys, the biggest attraction factor are undeniably the physical attributes of a female. After that it's "is she making herself available to me or not?".
For women, past the initial check they do of "appealing to the eye: yes/no", attraction to females is anticipation. What is this guy doing for me right now? Is he making me laugh have a good time? What is he going to do for me tonight? Show romantic interest, open up to me, keep me on my toes, make a good impression with my friends, want to take me somewhere else? And "what is he going to do for me/to me tomorrow, next week"? Women gauge potential, always. That is the core element of attraction to them, the potential they see in you. Women think way ahead of men beyond the moment they are in. Potential is what makes a woman decide if she want a guy or not.
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I agree with most of your post. I believe the ideal way to live your life is to achieve self esteem like you explained. That is definitely attractive to women. But I think that almost all people can benefit from some pickup techniques. A couple of things I disagree with in your post:
1. If overthinking breeds awkwardness, why should I get a good friend to observe my interactions? Define for me the exact point that someone is thinking too much and an interaction becomes awkward. What is the difference between a pickup coach analysing and a friend analysing?
2. Some PUA schools teach being comfortable in your own skin above any routines. Real Social Dynamics for example, a lot of their stuff is about building self esteem. Most of the pickup I have read advises treating pickup as a hobby. They advise dressing well, grooming and becoming an attractive man by leading a life that you find exciting. I hate the idea that people have of pickup that it is all about saying a these 5 lines in a certain order and doing a bit of calibrating and the woman will become attracted to you. This is exactly what most pickup I have read EXPLICITLY STATES it is not about. That is not to say that pickup techniques are worthless, just that they should only ever play a supporting role to your naturally attractive persona. Which brings me to my next point.
3. What purpose does your last paragraph serve? Why is this knowledge useful to anyone if all they need to do is become a naturally awesome guy? You seem to have a problem with what pickup teaches but then you are handing out advice and knowledge.
Out of interest, what pickup material have you read?
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I read some of, rarely the entire stuff... from the top of my head: roosh, mm, rsd stuff, david shade, vin di carlo. For most part that stuff is so badly written and the images of girls in underwear plastered over it at random make it rather difficult to read on public transport. Tell me you didn't read that stuff and had multiple moments where you just cringed and felt embarrassed for the poor guy writing the stuff? Some of f the authors come across as passive aggressive blokes with a chip on their shoulders. Their attitute towards women is hostile underneath the surface, the promises they make in regard to their products are grossely exaggerated. In many ways PUA is like WAG reality tv for me. Glorifying some kind of superficial lifestyle that exists in moments only if at all. Isn't there a not-suitable-for-work option on TL? I don't enjoying being crass BUT no self-respecting, marriage material model look-alike woman with university education is going to stay in 'rotation' of her 41 year old 5'6'' asian boyfriend, (who happens to have a a 4'' dick) is going to stick around while he goes around having 3-somes with other HB11. it's just a heap of bull. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. It doesn't happen. So don't even buy into the fairytale that that can be you. Instead, give yourself a kick up the backside now so you never become this 39 year old guy who wants to sleep with a lot of 22 year old women now 'cause he missed out during his youth.
To further address your points: overanalysing is a character trait not a pastime. it's a sign of a neurotic character. It's not attractive. Woody Allen is not a ladies man. Asking a friend for feedback is just that, getting feedback, which is widely considered to be a productive activity. Pay a pickup coach to watch you if you want. I've said in previous posts, as long as it's not the blind leading the blind. I can't define the exact point where it becomes unhealthy but maybe look at this http://postmasculine.com/analysis-paralysis or this http://www.theonion.com/articles/anxietyridden-man-rightly-ashamed-of-every-single,28055/ . My educated guess is overanalaysing is when you forego on other productive activities in order to ponder your past behaviours and make a post on RSDnation.
To 2. no where did I state all of PUA was useless. I'm all for guys to work on themselves and get out there and be happy. Consider: for every every lonely guy there's a (probably even more lonely) girl out there.
3. Yeah, I was just rambling on, my views on attraction. I'm sure others here have different views... just moving the discussion along? Chip in? I think it's important to understand what ignites attraction in women in order to become more attractive oneself. To be wholly attractive you need a short, mid and long term thrill about you. The more longterm it goes the less possible it is to fake.
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i didnt read a single post in this topic, cause i exactly know whats coming...
some are happy to finally understand "the game"
some tell it's a sexist thought to even call it "the game"
... and so on..
but see it as you want.. if you are able to read between the lines you will realize, that the game is omnipresent all the time...
as i started reading in some PU forums i got interested and started testing.. and if you started testing you will realize a thing... what i will not tell.... test it yourself 
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A few times you've questioned whether PUA material is good for men, and you've said that men are better off becoming an overall attractive man than learning material or theory.
The reason I am posting is because I think pickup can help guys. It seems you've been exposed to the worst of what the community has to offer. You have a certain view of what pickup is and you think it's bad, when in reality the material out there encompasses so many concepts and ideas, most of which I think you'd agree with or get value from. I think many theories and techniques there are in pickup material can be applied to almost any guy looking to improve his success with women. I've tried to explain this but I don't think we'll see eye to eye on it. You reject some pickup material outright and accept other parts (perhaps not consciously) because they cross some arbitrary line you have in your head of what's creepy or what's overanalysing.
I just think you should be more open minded to what pickup means.
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